76% of Britons believe Islam is 'not compatible' with our way of life - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39344386]Not compatible with the British [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England]way of life[/url]? Maybe abolish state religion then talk about how certain religions are damaging to society or oppressive[/QUOTE] Woha, I thought you were dead o_O

[QUOTE=James xX;39344219]Personally, and without sounding racist, I think if they move to Britain, they should be prepared to live how the rest of the population lives their lives, and not how their ancestors did.[/QUOTE] That is what my parents did when they came to Sweden from Iran and I am immensely glad we did. My parents weren't Muslim to begin with though. My mom is quick to put up Christmas/Easter/Halloween decorations once the time is right and all of that stuff and while we still have a different culture we are pretty much like any other Swedish family.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346208]Closing doors isn't going to suddenly fix unemployment and cure world cancer. Fixing your shit government would be a better step further.[/QUOTE] It would certainly help considering the unemployment rate was rising steadily as more people were entering the country. There are loads of industries that have been affected by cheap eastern European labor, calling people bigots and racists for knowing this won't change the facts. There are people out there who've been doing a career for years only to be laid off and replaced because some dude who doesn't have a family or a house to maintain is willing to work for half the wage.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346208]Closing doors isn't going to suddenly fix unemployment and cure world cancer. Fixing your shit government would be a better step further. As for new immigrants demanding impossible shit and wanting to "take over" it's merely a question of education. Countries like the UK and France have been described as countries of freedom and progressiveness so people tend to come here and try to shape it to their own culture without caring about other people. It's not really an issue innate to Islam, and more like an issue linked with entitlement and idiocy.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it would fix it instantly, but it would help, when most of these migrants are illegal or sponging off of the state, fixing the government would help, but fixing this coalition is really flogging a dead horse, we are gonna have to grit our teeth and deal with the next 2 years until these fuck-nuts get kicked out

It's culture. The thing is, the majority of people who come from the arabic culture are also muslim, hence why they get branded as muslims and "islam" as a whole. The problem is those, these individual people with their different cultures are coming and bringing their own, and instead of adapting it to our own, they kind of want other people to adapt to theirs. I'd be shunned if I moved to say, japan, where they have a radically different culture and started behaving like an arsehole brit instead of paying attention to their culture and starting to fit in. I understand my english is fucking terrible despite being english, but I hope you get what I mean.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346208]Closing doors isn't going to suddenly fix unemployment and cure world cancer. Fixing your shit government would be a better step further. As for new immigrants demanding impossible shit and wanting to "take over" it's merely a question of education. Countries like the UK and France have been described as countries of freedom and progressiveness so people tend to come here and try to shape it to their own culture without caring about other people. It's not really an issue innate to Islam, and more like an issue linked with entitlement and idiocy.[/QUOTE] You cannot fix a government that is fueled by capitalism. Mass-Immigration exists because corporations want cheap labor. Unless of course you want rid of capitalism. Closing the borders is the right thing to do or put harsh limits on it. The border agency right now has a massive backlog of cases as it is. Do you really keep a train running when there's a snowstorm and there's snow on the track? No you either slow it or stop it until it's cleared up so you can see what's going on and where the problems are. Border control is no different especially when the government has no real idea on how many legal and illegal immigrants are in the uk.

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Stopping immigration doesn't have to be drafts in the streets, nah, just making sure it isn't even remotely attractive to try and get in the country illegaly. Recent news : eastern europeans immigrants have entered illegaly in France because they have a strong turbercoluse, we're forced to treat them by law, and now hospitals in Paris have entire rooms full of illegals being treated thanks to our money (we're talking expensive shit right here) and with the head doctor of the hospital fearing "it might trigger and epidemia".

[QUOTE=flamehead5;39346303]Living in Toronto, we're having a burst of Islam too, and I feel like its starting to invade Canadian culture a bit. I bet you could find the same statistics here too...[/QUOTE] Canadian culture is a fucking mix of the centuries of immigrants!

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;39346278]That is what my parents did when they came to Sweden from Iran and I am immensely glad we did. My parents weren't Muslim to begin with though. My mom is quick to put up Christmas/Easter/Halloween decorations once the time is right and all of that stuff and while we still have a different culture we are pretty much like any other Swedish family.[/QUOTE] but that's the point, in Britain generally families like that are accepted and aren't hated people that just fit in instead of the percentage of middle-eastern people that migrate to places and complain about it, essentially it can be seen as a 'Peaceful Crusade'

[QUOTE=georgeface;39346242]Well a large proportion of the Eastern European community is sending money back home and probably plan on moving back later on in life, I also think that the next generation of immigrants will be the same, if you mean the children of the migrants then I think that they will be brought up to respect and practice traditions and beliefs that they're parents hold to be important in life, but also to respect and at least acknowledge the 'British way of doing things'[/QUOTE] I hope so, yeah. But at the same time I kind of doubt it. In France, there's a huge issue with Gypsies, because they are really entitled to their way of life. The problem is, their way of life is a huge sanitary and social issue : because they are nomads, they tend to settle down on owned property (once they actually settled on the road to my school, and I don't mean on the side of the street, I mean right there, on the road, blocking all traffic), they refuse to listen to any authority claiming they don't have to (as my parents work at a hospital I get many anecdotes of Gypsies coming for medical care which is okay on itself, but as the sick guy is being taken care of the rest of the group settles down in the hall, kids start stealing shit, they litter everywhere and they even had a case of a guy randomly entering the personnel's restrooms to take a shower), and their kids receive no education whatsoever, leading to crime and theft. The issue isn't as much with Gypsies in particular as much as it is with education and entitlement. It's really an issue because they both demand constant care, and refuse to adapt to their current state of living. They just can't live in a trailer as nomads in a country if all it does is make them constantly sick and force them to steal and beg because they don't have enough money for anything.

Also I think it's a trait of the culture in Islam/Middle Eastern culture to be relatively aggressive and intrusive towards things they don't like, unfortunately this trait is shared with morons like the EDL

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39346295]You cannot fix a government that is fueled by capitalism. Mass-Immigration exists because corporations want cheap labor. Unless of course you want rid of capitalism. Closing the borders is the right thing to do or put harsh limits on it. The border agency right has a massive backlog of cases as it is. Do you really keep a train running when there's a snowstorm and there's snow on the track? No you either slow it or stop it until it's cleared up so you can see what's going on and where the problems are. Border control is no different especially when the government has no real idea on how many legal and illegal immigrants are in the uk.[/QUOTE] In any cases of economic or employment crisis of the past century, there hasn't been a single time where closing frontiers and relying on protectionism has actually worked.

Poe's Law... Religion is toxic, and any Islam who wishes to go into the UK must be eradicated of their religious beliefs before they can be allowed to enter the UK. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Xenophobic shit" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;39346304]Stopping immigration doesn't have to be drafts in the streets, nah, just making sure it isn't even remotely attractive to try and get in the country illegaly. Recent news : eastern europeans immigrants have entered illegaly in France because they have a strong turbercoluse, we're forced to treat them by law, and now hospitals in Paris have entire rooms full of illegals being treated thanks to our money (we're talking expensive shit right here) and with the head doctor of the hospital fearing "it might trigger and epidemia".[/QUOTE] The thing is we can't just throw them out because it would be an actually bigger sanitary issue than healing them.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346388]In any cases of economic or employment crisis of the past century, there hasn't been a single time where closing frontiers and relying on protectionism has actually worked.[/QUOTE] Japan.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;39344636]I bet you 76% of Britons also know jack shit about Islam other than what they read in the Daily Mail.[/QUOTE] I'm more appalled that people actually read the Daily Mail than anything.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39346405]Japan.[/QUOTE] Japan is not even the same culture as UK, it's such a specific case it can't even be considered an example. Not to mention Japan did not stop importing, they just promoted everything they can do on their own territory. There's still a fuckload Japan can just not produce on their own, and even though they are constantly playing the protectionist card to the point it's almost xenophobic, they never stop importing.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346359]I hope so, yeah. But at the same time I kind of doubt it. In France, there's a huge issue with Gypsies, because they are really entitled to their way of life. The problem is, their way of life is a huge sanitary and social issue : because they are nomads, they tend to settle down on owned property (once they actually settled on the road to my school, and I don't mean on the side of the street, I mean right there, on the road, blocking all traffic), they refuse to listen to any authority claiming they don't have to (as my parents work at a hospital I get many anecdotes of Gypsies coming for medical care which is okay on itself, but as the sick guy is being taken care of the rest of the group settles down in the hall, kids start stealing shit, they litter everywhere and they even had a case of a guy randomly entering the personnel's restrooms to take a shower), and their kids receive no education whatsoever, leading to crime and theft. The issue isn't as much with Gypsies in particular as much as it is with education and entitlement. It's really an issue because they both demand constant care, and refuse to adapt to their current state of living. They just can't live in a trailer as nomads in a country if all it does is make them constantly sick and force them to steal and beg because they don't have enough money for anything.[/QUOTE] Same with gypsy in the UK, they don't pay tax but are entitled to everything that tax payers are entitled to. No one wants to hire them either because of their long history of a lot of them being kleptomaniacs which actually seems fairly true to an extent, a lot of people round here hate them because if you leave anything that isn't nailed down in view of the street then they'll nab it the moment you turn your back.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39346405]Japan.[/QUOTE] Japan is facing a massive population decline because not enough people are reproducing and there aren't enough immigrants to offset it. I mean, it's preferable if you want Cornwall to end up a Ghost town, but if you have a functioning brain, you'll probably keep the borders open.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346400]The thing is we can't just throw them out because it would be an actually bigger sanitary issue than healing them.[/QUOTE] Helping them will attract more, that's why the uk is seen as the golden land of benefits and easy living to many illegal immigrants. They get here and find it's not.

[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;39346255]Mixing cultures is an utopia, it doesn't work. We have an organisation called "SOS Racisme" in France which is supposed to help victims of racism. Problem is, not so long ago, a few white dads who were tired of their kids being insulted and shit by arabs at school went up to them and told them about it since the cops didn't do jack shit. Guess what, he was politely asked to leave and said "they'd look into it". Nothing happened, nothing ever happens. They piss on our culture, they don't give a shit about being part of our society, they want it to bend to their rules. As soon as someone tries to bring this to light, he's labelled as a racist by everyone and has to shut up. I'm disgusted by this. Another more personal example, when I'm with my girlfriend in the streets / public transportation, that's fine. But I went to my parents home a week ago to get my driving license, leaving her alone. Right after she dropped me at the train station, around 6pm, she was approached by a bunch of arabs (young ones), she turned them down, they started insulting her calling her a bitch and she had to get off the tram fearing it'd get physical. How the fuck did we end up being afraid of walking alone in our own god damn country for shit reasons such as "you're a woman" or "you look like a weak white boy"? And then you got the same politics asshole telling us how immigration is good, how we're the ones mistreating them, how we should give them more money so they can get a job they will turn down anyways. I fucking wonder how many of them actually lived in a hellhole crowded by immigrants, I wonder how many of them actually ever took a walk in the city. How can you be pro immigration when you're seeing daily abuse from the same faces, how can you be pro immigration when you see the same faces dealing drugs at the same places, with the police not even a few meters away, how can you be pro immigration when you see them with algeria flags on their shirts and screaming shit like "fuck france" or "we algerians are gonna suck your country up until it's algeria"? I would love it if this shit was made up, sadly it's not. I always hated them, but I'm gonna vote Le Pen next election, she's gaining more attention by the day and I can understand why.[/QUOTE] Honestly dude, and I hate to minimize whatever has happened to you, but that just sounds like the normal shit everyone who lives in or near a city has to deal with. I live in America and I've hardly seen any arabs, especially operating in groups, but I still have to deal with groups of hooligans, they just happen to be white or black. I mean seriously, this is just a symptom of the cramped living conditions of a modern city, you just have to live in close proximity to people who are fucking assholes and who have all their asshole friends walking around with them so that they're bigger than they really are, it has nothing to do with arabs.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346359]I hope so, yeah. But at the same time I kind of doubt it. In France, there's a huge issue with Gypsies, because they are really entitled to their way of life. The problem is, their way of life is a huge sanitary and social issue : because they are nomads, they tend to settle down on owned property (once they actually settled on the road to my school, and I don't mean on the side of the street, I mean right there, on the road, blocking all traffic), they refuse to listen to any authority claiming they don't have to (as my parents work at a hospital I get many anecdotes of Gypsies coming for medical care which is okay on itself, but as the sick guy is being taken care of the rest of the group settles down in the hall, kids start stealing shit, they litter everywhere and they even had a case of a guy randomly entering the personnel's restrooms to take a shower), and their kids receive no education whatsoever, leading to crime and theft. The issue isn't as much with Gypsies in particular as much as it is with education and entitlement. It's really an issue because they both demand constant care, and refuse to adapt to their current state of living. They just can't live in a trailer as nomads in a country if all it does is make them constantly sick and force them to steal and beg because they don't have enough money for anything.[/QUOTE] Ok this is going to sound relatively bigoted, but hear me out Gypsies are essentially pirates of the land, they don't really consider themselves to be part of the state, and do ignore all voice of reason and invade owned property. And yes, I agree entitlement is a massive issue but I'm not too sure what you mean about education

[QUOTE=zombojoe;39346257]The historical Jesus did exist. He was a very popular prophet\cult leader and the Romans saw him as threat since this was at the time of the Roman occupation of Jerusalem. They didn't want a revolution on their hands. They made him a martyr and systematically slaughtered all his followers. That much is true. Now the whole Christianity thing was basically the Romans trying assimilate all the religions of the nations they conquered by merging parts of their culture into one mega religion. Jesus and his teachings spread like wildfire by then despite the Romans having slaughtered his original followers, as some like to say, you can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. So instead of trying to fight it, the Romans embraced it as their center piece of the new Roman religion. To this day the Roman Catholic Church still exist. In a way it was the ancient world's largest conspiracy.[/QUOTE] bullshit i want a source

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39346431]Japan is facing a massive population decline because not enough people are reproducing and there aren't enough immigrants to offset it. I mean, it's preferable if you want Cornwall to end up a Ghost town, but if you have a functioning brain, you'll probably keep the borders open.[/QUOTE] Economicly however before the depression they were doing fantastic, infact at one point they were the 2nd highest grossing country until china over-took them. Although yes the population issue is due to culture issues. They are too work-focused.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39346456]Economicly however before the depression they were doing fantastic, infact at one point they were the 2nd highest grossing country until china over-took them. Although yes the population issue is due to culture issues. They are too work-focused.[/QUOTE] Okay but that's because they have something economically viable. Letting Koreans move in wouldn't cause the electronic industries to explode.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39346400]The thing is we can't just throw them out because it would be an actually bigger sanitary issue than healing them.[/QUOTE] Le Pen nailed it : "Evicting illegals from our country is costly, and useless, they'll be back in 2 hours. We need to make sure it's not interesting anymore to try and and get in our country".

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39346434]Helping them will attract more, that's why the uk is seen as the golden land of benefits and easy living to many illegal immigrants. They get here and find it's not.[/QUOTE] I'd much rather have sick illegal immigrants healed for free for ethical and sanitary reasons than see the authorities kick them out in the street and face a country-sized epidemic case of multiresistant tuberculosis.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39346472]Okay but that's because they have something economically viable. Letting Koreans move in wouldn't cause the electronic industries to explode.[/QUOTE] Admitting it wouldn't, they'd have no reason to let them in, as the people of Japan, they can do whatever they want with their borders. It's working pretty great for them so far.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39346431]Japan is facing a massive population decline because not enough people are reproducing and there aren't enough immigrants to offset it. I mean, it's preferable if you want Cornwall to end up a Ghost town, but if you have a functioning brain, you'll probably keep the borders open.[/QUOTE] I think it's probably declining due to an emancipation of women