Donald Trump cancels Chicago campaign rally over security concerns. - Polidicks

Anyone at all who feels good that this happened are garbage. Anti-Trump protesters came out a lot worse from this.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49918673]28 weeks later[/QUOTE] [I]"It started as rioting"[/I]

[QUOTE=Sableye;49918679]What a fucking mess, now today he's in Dayton which unironically has a really large Muslim and multicultural population because it's been a shelter city for many years, something Donald would see stopped[/QUOTE] Up next is Cleveland, Ohio, which I have a bad feeling about. Someone tried to rush him in Dayton.

Wait what the fuck even happened

I can't fucking believe Ted Cruz tried to pin this on Trump's supporters what a fucking imbecile even if he's 100% right he's still an idiot for saying it

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49916185]And yet not long ago you were terrified at the idea of people agreeing with Trump's shit and voting for him. Let's assume your system gets put into place, and that "the people" one day decide that [I]your[/I] opinion is the wrong one, whatcha gonna do?[/quote] Then you stand together with people who have the same opinion as you (and they will always be around somewhere), and hold out for as long as you can. You might win, you might lose. You'll definitely lose if you don't even bother trying at least. Our politics have gotten incredibly divisive. At this point, it's got to come down to a reckoning where both sides have at each other, and one eventually beats the other in the end. You have no guarantee that your side will be the winner though, but having said that, knowledge of that fact should serve as a motivator to make sure you work and fight really, [i]really[/i] hard in order to win. If the stakes are high enough, you'd better hope you win anyway. Otherwise, you're fucked. And having said that, you'd better be prepared to face the possibility that you and your side will lose. It is what it is in the end, and you have to make of it what you will. That's true of you as an individual, but it's also true of you in the context of you being a part of a bigger group/side and working together with them. [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49916185]You're still being too damn vague. Where do you draw the line? How are you even gonna vote on a matter like this? Hold popular referendums for every single thing that might be said? Have the people elect their representatives in the Good Opinion committee? How do you quantify "going too far", are you going to arrest people over a twitter shitpost?[/quote] No, I'm not. It's pretty fucking simple: don't incite trouble in the first place, like Trump has done, and there won't be trouble. Don't say stupid things, and people won't treat you like you're an idiot. Don't act like a xenophobic asshole, and people won't treat you like you're a xenophobic asshole. Etc. And this goes beyond a matter of just voting; this is a matter of direct action. It's one thing to cast a ballot and say that it has meaning, but it's another thing entirely to actually get up, go out, organize with a bunch of other people who have the same beliefs as you, and to actually physically start working together in reality to make a difference in the world and change things to suit your/their needs and wants. Popular opinion and action is what it all comes down to when you look at the root of democracy: what the majority need, what they want, what they're going to do in order to work towards achieving these things. Now having said that, you've got to establish a common societal structure with laws under which everybody has to operate. You can't have absolute free speech, and you can't have absolute democracy; otherwise, you cease to have a democratic government, and instead you've got mob rule. Ideally, democracy is sanitized and regulated mob rule, so to speak. It's not a clusterfuck of "do whatever you want"; it's an institution of government which says, "These are the standards by which our society chooses to operate around, these are the moral and ethical codes we live by, these are the laws of the land that we have chosen to enact and enforce. You must abide by them, but otherwise, enjoy yourself, and have a pleasant life here." Do you seriously think that there don't exist exceptions to free speech? I ask because the majority of democratic governments in Western civilization completely disagree with you-- whether it's Germany's laws against things like glorifying Nazism and racism, our laws against fighting words and offensive speech (which Trump has gotten away with in the past because nobody is bothering to enforce anything against him), the United Kingdom has laws against speech intended to harass and cause a "breach of the peace" (again, fighting words and offensive speech basically; bear in mind the UK has also wanted to ban Trump from ever setting foot there again as well, although how serious they were about this I can't say for certain), there's all kinds of laws everywhere here regulating advertising and marketing, etc. [QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49916185]I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that actively campaigning for genocide is pretty damn fucking bad. But voicing an opinion, however stupid it might be, should never be a crime in a truly democratic state.[/QUOTE] Well sorry, but there is no "true democracy" in existence, and there never can be. Again, we must have laws and a basic common structure under which we operate-- because otherwise, our democracy dissolves into total mob rule, and that's what must be avoided (mass action, which is what we're seeing here for the record, is not mob rule). And beyond that whether or not it's criminal depends on a lot of things: who said it, when and where did they say it, what was the context of them saying it, what were they trying to accomplish in saying it, etc. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49916242]So if you and I were talking about something that was personal, important, and emotional, and I disagreed with you in a way that you demonize, you have all the right in the world to attack me as you've argued through out this thread is acceptable and understandable? Are you okay with base impulses being your deciding factor while talking about how strong your rational mind is? Are you seriously not having any problems with your own internal logic here?[/QUOTE] If we just disagree, then no, I've got no right to. On the other hand, if you threaten me as an individual or me and the rest of the side that I belong to, or if you start saying things to incite a mob against me and my side, then I/we have absolutely every right to fight back for not only ourselves but what we believe in. And that's the issue: Trump and his supporters have been threatening against opponents, inciting and condoning attacks on protesters before any of this happened in Chicago, and they've gotten away with it so far. Beforehand, this was a fairly civil election. But they came in, and they decided to cause trouble. Not only did they decide to spout a bunch of backwards and hateful shit about Muslims and Mexicans, not only did they condone adopting torture (a barbaric practice) as national policy, not only did they say that the families of ISIS fighters all need to be killed regardless of whether or not they're innocent or guilty of anything... but they also have been attacking opponents at their rallies, Trump himself has condoned violence against them more than once before... ...and, big surprise, people are now sick of it. Not only are the sick of all the bigotry and hate (which again, as Americans, under the beliefs our society supposedly holds on personal freedom of religion and protection for civil rights, we have an obligation to immediately oppose and fight back against), they're also really sick of the fact that this kind of behavior is apparently permitted as okay when it's Trump and his followers who are doing it-- but when they do it as a perfectly natural and understandable reaction to everything that's been said and done by him and his constituents, oh, suddenly it's a different story. How are you not able to follow what's going on here exactly? Why are people acting surprised and shocked by this? Do they just not pay as close attention to politics as they pretend they do and are in reality oblivious to what's been going on with Trump's campaign, or what exactly? I don't fucking know anymore. I mean, I've even considered the possibility that you're just trying to take the moral high ground here for no other reason than you want to act superior and feel good about yourselves, and you're just trying to act smart by using my own logic against me. For the record, I'm well aware that both our sides operate on the same logic; but having said that, that does not mean for a second that we are the same. Two sides of the same coin are still two different sides, with different beliefs and goals, and with ultimately different implications if those beliefs and goals ever come to amount to anything significant. I don't want to torture people, I don't want to kill innocent families because they may have had a relative somewhere who was affiliated with ISIS, I don't want to create a national database that invades the privacy and the rights of Muslims living here in the United States for no other reason than because they're Muslims and therefore by implication they must be terrorists, I don't want to try and ban swathes of a religious group from entering the country, I've never called millions upon millions of Mexican migrants living in this country "criminals" and "rapists" and accused them of doing nothing but "bringing crime" into this country... etc. We [i]are not[/i] the same. We might have the same logic, but we have completely different worldviews that have different implications-- depending on who wins in the end (our side, or their side). This should not be hard to understand. [QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49918676]I know, if you are going to do it, at least not be hypocritical about it. The same people who try to prevent another political party from spreading their message also calls them fascists at the same time, when they themselves are being Fascist by preventing their message. Kinda like when Hitler's SA would beat political opponents up in the late 1920s/early 1930s[/QUOTE] That's a terrible example. Hitler and the Nazis ultimately won power in Germany, and that was precisely because nobody organized and did anything to stop them in the first place when there were plenty of opportunities to do so. The Communists tried to fight back here and there, but they unfortunately didn't kill Hitler when they should've, and they didn't oppose the SA as effectively as they should've and could've. And the results of this failure to prevent his/their rise to power... were fucking horrifying, both for the German people themselves and the rest of the world. If you're going to try and lecture about history and make accusations of hypocrisy, make sure you actually know what you're talking about first and foremost.

[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;49918751]Wait what the fuck even happened[/QUOTE] Black Live Matters retards, and left leaning voters did what they do best. Act violent and hypocritically when someone says words then blaming Trump and his supporters like fucking idiots. They think their violence is justifiable.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49918222]Do you need auditory confirmation, too, or something? What do you want me to do? :v: Bonus CCCP goodness. [img]https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/10689502_893991234033524_5138291474016615659_n.jpg?oh=7a7570dd142e305a1ff1b9f780075327&oe=5798EA77[/img][/QUOTE] Yeah, that happens a lot in this country. [img]http://i.imgur.com/gOQPlXG.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49918565]thats just the establishment quaking in their boots because they know trump is gonna tear down their ivory towers (and replace them with gold ones)[/QUOTE] the way the GOP has reacted to his campaign feels like the political equivalent of telling logical paradoxes to a supercomputer until it explodes "hey i'm the new nadir of american politics vote for me anyway" "hey you can't say tha-[B]ERRORERRORERROR[/B]"

I really love how people are trying to bring out the freedom of speech card when it only applies to the government trying to stop your speech. Not saying the rioters are in the right, but all the peaceful protesters had every right to be there.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49918765]Black Live Matters retards, and left leaning voters did what they do best. Act violent and hypocritically when someone says words then blaming Trump and his supporters like fucking idiots. They think their violence is justifiable.[/QUOTE]why does Donald Trump incite violence as a viable way of dealing with protestors at his rallies?

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49918815]why does Donald Trump incite violence as a viable way of dealing with protestors at his rallies?[/QUOTE] I don't call people infiltrating a rally and then proceeding to interrupt it "protesting". That is literally suppressing free speech, as I said before, if you want to protest, you can do so peacefully OUTSIDE the rally. If Donald Trump supporters infiltrated a Bernie rally, you are justified in having them forcefully removed from the rally. Don't incite shit and you wont get hit.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49918815]why does Donald Trump incite violence as a viable way of dealing with protestors at his rallies?[/QUOTE] He never has? Unless you count "Back in the day they would rough him up outside, not take him out so nicely" in a joking manner in the right context. He never incites shit. Hes never like "Everyone go beat them up!" Very difference from actual anti-trump supporters starting violence. Seriously, back up your claims of Trump inciting violence at his rallys. How many have you even watched? Why do Anti-Trump think actual violence is a good form of protesting?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49918899]I don't call people infiltrating a rally and then proceeding to interrupt it "protesting". That is literally suppressing free speech, as I said before, if you want to protest, you can do so peacefully OUTSIDE the rally. If Donald Trump supporters infiltrated a Bernie rally, you are justified in having them forcefully removed from the rally. Don't incite shit and you wont get hit.[/QUOTE]how is that not a protest? they have every right to protest inside peacefully, clearly the protest worked better when they were inside "Don't incite shit and you wont get hit." like Trump is inciting shit? so violence as a reaction to incitement is fine for you or..? when a person sees Trump supports in a rally beating up a black person, and then that black person being slammed onto the ground by police rather than the person taking a swing, is that incitement?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49918910]He never has? Unless you count "Back in the day they would rough him up outside, not take him out so nicely" in a joking manner in the right context. He never incites shit. Hes never like "Everyone go beat them up!" Very difference from actual anti-trump supporters starting violence. Seriously, back up your claims of Trump inciting violence at his rallys. How many have you even watched? Why do Anti-Trump think actual violence is a good form of protesting?[/QUOTE] Because they think trump is literally hitler, therefore calls to assassinate him and attack his supporters are okay. Everything is based on "Assumptions" and not actual facts lmao.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;49918806]I really love how people are trying to bring out the freedom of speech card when it only applies to the government trying to stop your speech. Not saying the rioters are in the right, but all the peaceful protesters had every right to be there.[/QUOTE] Freedom of Speech ends when you touch someone or act out. Peaceful protesters 100% were in the right and that type of shit is the actual good use of it. Anyone crying "BUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH" is an idiot who cant even handle the two words that make it up "Freedom+Speech" somehow they got lost and think "Physical contact, rioting, etc..." got mixed in their somehow.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49918916]they have every right to protest inside peacefully, clearly the protest worked better when they were inside[/QUOTE] You actually don't have that right. Political rallies are private events and they can remove you for whatever reason they please.

I watch his interviews and rallys to gain a wider view of the election and I've gotta say he doesn't incite violence against protesters at all. He said generally "If somebody hits you you hit em back I've always been that kinda guy", and that's the closest he's gotten to it. What's up for debate is whether or not trump supporters or anti-trump protesters threw the first punch, and at which times. We're never going to know the answer to that.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49918916]how is that not a protest? they have every right to protest inside peacefully, clearly the protest worked better when they were inside "Don't incite shit and you wont get hit." like Trump is inciting shit? so violence as a reaction to incitement is fine for you or..? when a person sees Trump supports in a rally beating up a black person, and then that black person being slammed onto the ground by police rather than the person taking a swing, is that incitement?[/QUOTE] If you think infiltrating a rally, then proceeding to scream on the top of your lungs "FUCK TRUMP" and taking TRUMP 2016 signs from other people and ripping them in half, and then proceeding to kick them is okay, then you really don't know the definition of a "peaceful" protest. Case in point [video=youtube;Kd6pVAb_tHs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6pVAb_tHs&feature=youtu.be&list=LLyfhR25WRwxC-VdUPYgU09g[/video] Go to timestamp 1:57, you will see a bernie/blm supporter dressed up as a trump supporter taking a TRUMP 2016 sign, ripping it up, and when the girl tries to get it back, they begin to kick her. THAT IS NOT PEACEFUL

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49918916]how is that not a protest? they have every right to protest inside peacefully, clearly the protest worked better when they were inside "Don't incite shit and you wont get hit." like Trump is inciting shit? so violence as a reaction to incitement is fine for you or..? when a person sees Trump supports in a rally beating up a black person, and then that black person being slammed onto the ground by police rather than the person taking a swing, is that incitement?[/QUOTE] Clearly the protest didnt work better inside because it turned into a shitshow with physical confrontations. Can you provide the video where Trump supporters were just attacking Black people? Can you provide the video to your claim that Donald Trump incites violence at his rallys?

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepGO6HqL3o[/media]

[QUOTE=Grim2o0o;49918953][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepGO6HqL3o[/media][/QUOTE] Wait, that's not Total Biscuit?

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49918910]He never has? Unless you count "Back in the day they would rough him up outside, not take him out so nicely" in a joking manner in the right context. He never incites shit. Hes never like "Everyone go beat them up!" Very difference from actual anti-trump supporters starting violence. Seriously, back up your claims of Trump inciting violence at his rallys. How many have you even watched? Why do Anti-Trump think actual violence is a good form of protesting?[/QUOTE][quote]"He's smiling. See, he's having a good time," Trump said of a protester who was being escorted out by guards. “Oh, I love the old days, you know? You know what I hate? There's a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches, we're not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out in a stretcher, folks. Oh, it's true." Trump went on to complain that "the guards are very gentle with him," before saying, "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you." Multiple security personnel at the event told Politico that the ejected protester threw no punches and that Trump was “over-exaggerating.”[/quote] his reaction to peaceful BLM protestors who protested Bernie early in his campaign: [quote]"That will never happen with me,” he said at a press conference. “I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting or if other people will."[/quote] on the violent reactions by Trump supports within the rallies: [quote]"They have anger that is unbelievable. Unbelievable. They love this country," said Trump. "I see it. There is some anger. There is also some great love for the country."[/quote] on a video of Trump supporters swarming around a protestor, kicking and punching him: [quote]“Maybe he should have been roughed up,” he said. “It was disgusting what he was doing.”[/quote] supporting violence as a viable solution [quote]"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them," Trump urged his supporters. Were anyone to feel concern about being prosecuted for assault in such a scenario, Trump reassured that, "I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."[/quote] on protests: [quote]"See the first group, I was nice. Oh, take your time. The second group, I was pretty nice," he said. "The third group, I'll be a little more violent. And the fourth group, I'll say get the hell out of here!"[/quote] on ejecting peaceful protestors: [quote]"You see, in the good old days, law enforcement acted a lot quicker than this," he said. "A lot quicker. In the good old days, they’d rip him out of that seat so fast — but today, everybody’s politically correct."[/quote] more: [quote]"He was swinging, he was hitting people, and the audience hit back," Trump said about an unspecified protester. "That's what we need more of." (A CBS reporter who follows the Trump campaign tweeted last night that he had "yet to see a single protester start swinging as Trump just said.")[/quote] [IMG]http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56e308c01e0000b300703dff.gif[/IMG] and to answer your question i have watched the majority of Trumps rallys since his campaign began, same with Hillary & Bernie. i find him an interesting figure.

I just saw some pictures and videos of people stomping on our flag to, what the fuck is up with that? Fucking disgusting.

I've read this whole thread and this shit still doesn't make sense. What the fuck.

Someone just tried to attack Trump during a rally [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgj1IR7J_Yc[/media]

[QUOTE=Vasili;49918990]Someone just tried to attack Trump during a rally [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgj1IR7J_Yc[/media][/QUOTE] you are FUCKING kidding me

All the ones of kicking out protesters were all said in joking manners, even the one I gave is in your list. Yeah, look at your last one. "He was swinging and hitting people and PEOPLE hit back" yeah what a fucking travesty DEFENDING yourself. I dont see HIS supporters starting any of the shit. Only damning one is the Tomato one. Also the BLM protesters were hardly peaceful. They took over the stage and got the mic from Bernie as he sulked in the corner. Thats not actually straight up peaceful. But I didnt realize this made it okay for anti-trump supporters to START the violence. He also isnt wrong in the slightest that back in the day people would get more roughed up. How is being historically accurate some horrible travesty?

this shit might aswell be taking place in fucking poland or ukraine get it together, america!

[QUOTE=Vasili;49918990]Someone just tried to attack Trump during a rally [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgj1IR7J_Yc[/media][/QUOTE] Did someone on the floor have a gun or something?