Donald Trump cancels Chicago campaign rally over security concerns. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sgman91;49920454]Right, and Bernie's entire campaign is also based on hate and fear monger. Sadly, that seems to be the go-to for populist candidates.[/QUOTE] "Oh look, BLM protesters knocked sanders off stage, what a pathetic little man" "Bernies entire campaign is based on hate" "And that is why I support trump. Make america great again" is this what they call doublethink?

Trump should send these folk to the wall-gulags.

[url]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/708983126601682944[/url]

How is this man still a political candidate? Why is my country's political system such a huge joke? Edit: I feel like this election is an IQ test that the USA is failing REALLY HARD.

Typical fascist leftist commie pinko bastards doing shit like this, destroying other peoples properties and generally don't give a fuck. I hope they ALL get punished HARD with a nightstick up their ass, fucking anti democratic leftist bastards.

[QUOTE=4NGRY MUFF1N;49924235]Typical fascist leftist commie pinko bastards doing shit like this, destroying other peoples properties and generally don't give a fuck. I hope they ALL get punished HARD with a nightstick up their ass, fucking anti democratic leftist bastards.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, this is only the beginning. This election has already been particularly toxic and divisive. I expect some superficially Weimar levels of street fighting between political rivals, and the marginalization of the useless and indistinguishable political center. When trump joked about running years ago I thought he'd be a clown. On the contrary, he's the demagogue we've been needing to shake up this ailing 'democracy' that's failed to change in any way in the last decades. He's a remarkable man of impressive resolution and internal strength, he simply doesn't give a fuck, and because he's self funded he can afford to. Because he has tapped into something real, he can afford to. The American left liberals/(center-)leftists, blacks, and so on in Chicago only reiterated their lack of an independent position and acted as stormtroopers for neoliberalism and crony capitalism, the democratic party and the likes of Soros, which they mistakenly (because of figures like Obama) identify as being on the right side of history. As center-leftist reformers they have no other outlet for their 'struggles' at this point in time, having pretty much had their ideas but not their radical feelings become establishment. Thus they feel vindicated and are enabled in their hate and violence towards a disenfranchised, reactionary minority like the Trump supporters and have little else to do but attack it. Not too different from Antifa. All in all it's the sort of thing that disgusts me about the modern (liberal) left and why I refuse to associate with it. I'll probably vote trump as a throwaway, because I will never be forced to vote for Clinton as a lesser evil. Might as well vote to make things worse at that point.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924497] I'll probably vote trump as a throwaway, because I will never be forced to vote for Clinton as a lesser evil.[/QUOTE] this mindset is terrible.

I don't think so. I think this lesser evil mindset is a cancer and, faced with the possibility of a Clinton victory and in 2020 the last 25 years being basically a blur of the same neoliberal hawk president, I'd much rather have things get worse and then better.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924520]I don't think so. I think this lesser evil mindset is a cancer and, faced with the possibility of a Clinton victory and the last 25 years being basically a blur of the same neoliberal hawk president, I'd much rather have things get worse and then better.[/QUOTE]what's the "then better" part? and the 'worse' is going to be much much worse for different subsets of people

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924520] I'd much rather have things get worse and then better.[/QUOTE] please dont vote then

[QUOTE=kyle877;49924549]please dont vote then[/QUOTE] Voting Hillary is justifying the DNC's treatment of the voters of the Democratic party, which is unacceptable to me. They'll only continue to shill out worse and worse candidates if you let them get away with it.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49924534]what's the "then better" part? and the 'worse' is going to be much much worse for different subsets of people[/QUOTE] I don't know exactly, but at least a break from this weird centrifugal political force that, since the mid 20th century, has left us with only paid for center-right and left liberals (not in the American sense) to pick from. Hillary especially does not deserve her side's vote. What do you mean worse for different subsets? [QUOTE=kyle877;49924549]please dont vote then[/QUOTE] And people like you wonder why our famous democracy has such a miserable rate of participation and things have gotten so cynical. It's with that kind of attitude that we find ourselves where we are, and why Trump and Sanders are significant, yet so sudden.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49924568]Voting Hillary is justifying the DNC's treatment of the voters of the Democratic party, which is unacceptable to me. They'll only continue to shill out worse and worse candidates if you let them get away with it.[/QUOTE]there's a difference between not voting hillary n not voting hillary and then voting trump

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49924568]Voting Hillary is justifying the DNC's treatment of the voters of the Democratic party, which is unacceptable to me. They'll only continue to shill out worse and worse candidates if you let them get away with it.[/QUOTE] Even if it came to Hilary v Trump I'd rather write-in for someone else than vote for Trump out of spite. Atleast that'd be fighting for change that I believe in, however fruitless it may be.

[QUOTE=Vasili;49920404]Where's the citation I asked for?[/quote] You've got three. You said and insinuated that what he was going to do was going to be something terrible and dangerous; you keep using inflammatory language like "lunged" and "assault" deliberately to make it sound like he was going to beat the shit out of Trump or kill him, when this was never his intention so far as we know from what remarks he made on Twitter, and the fact of the matter is he never even got close to succeeding. [QUOTE=Vasili;49920404]Where?[/QUOTE] Within the three quotes provided, as well as playing up what HoodedSniper said about it being a "criminal/felony offense" with "100% jailtime" (his words, for the record, not yours; you're just going along with what he said about assaulting Trump). Even if he had spit on Trump, that's not necessarily considered to be anything worse than simple battery. Criminal battery doesn't exist until the victim is actually injured, which, again, never would have happened here even if he had spit on Trump. His intention was to hock spit at him, not beat the everloving merciless fuck out of him (the way the audience wanted the Secret Service and the police wanted to handle him after he was stopped). [QUOTE=Vasili;49920404]Of course it's a big deal, why isn't it a big deal someone lunged at him?[/QUOTE] Because this guy had no intention of hurting him, and it's hilarious that people continue to play the whole event up as being a massive deal/something really dangerous even after the fact it's come out that no, it was never going to escalate that far; nobody was going to assault or murder anybody. [QUOTE=Vasili;49920404]My comment wasn't implying you did.[/QUOTE] It's hard to tell after you claim things like I said that this dude was/is "a nice guy", when I never did in the first place-- also when you continue to downplay the audience's reaction as understandable when they were just being vicious, and you also continue to overplay and exaggerate the incident as a whole.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924580] And people like you wonder why our famous democracy has such a miserable rate of participation and things have gotten so cynical. It's with that kind of attitude that we find ourselves where we are, and why Trump and Sanders are significant, yet so sudden.[/QUOTE] No, it's votes like that that undermine the whole electoral process.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49924586]Even if it came to Hilary v Trump I'd rather write-in for someone else than vote for Trump out of spite. Atleast that'd be fighting for change that I believe in, however fruitless it may be.[/QUOTE] Then do so, a third party vote getting even 5% of the votes would send a clear message that voters are sick of their games.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924580]I don't know exactly, but at least a break from this weird centrifugal political force that, since the mid 20th century, has left us with only paid for center-right and left liberals (not in the American sense) to pick from. Hillary especially does not deserve her side's vote. What do you mean worse for different subsets?[/QUOTE] I'm assuming he means Muslims and Latinos, possibly gays too. Although I know you've described the so-called "social issues" as gimmicks in the past.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49924012][url]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/708983126601682944[/url][/QUOTE] "Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!" [i]You[/i] better be careful, Trump. At the rate you're pissing people off, you're going to get more than you ever bargained for. Chicago fucking hates you. That's an accomplishment in infamy if ever there was.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49924590]No, it's votes like that that undermine the whole electoral process.[/QUOTE] But the problem is a rightie piece of shit like hillary expects to win all and give nothing to the increasingly left wing democratic base, winning their vote solely based on the fact the GOP has moved further right and they need to be stopped. That vile witch is so bourgeois, her apparent impending victory is seemingly inevitable and already set up for by powers that be, she feels entitled to the vote and like she only has to put the Clinton name out there. Sanders is a protest vote she scoffs at. This is what undermines democracy and enforces the two party status quo. It simply must be done away with.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924609]But the problem is a rightie piece of shit like hillary expects to win all and give nothing to the increasingly left wing democratic base, winning their vote solely based on the fact the GOP has moved further right and they need to be stopped. That vile witch is so bourgeois, her apparent impending victory is apparently inevitable and set up for, she feels entitled to the vote and like she only has to put the Clinton name out there. This is what undermines democracy and enforces the two party status quo. It simply must be done away with.[/QUOTE] Then don't vote for Hilary? Vote for someone that supports your belief.

I feel sorry for Americans having such shitty choices. The Republicans especially, since they have to either pick between an insane businessman or the zodiac killer by this point.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924609] This is what undermines democracy and enforces the two party status quo. It simply must be done away with.[/QUOTE] By, what, voting for the other party? I can't criticize you for not voting for a politician because they don't align with your beliefs but this protest vote mentality of choosing someone who you disagree with even more on policy just seems dumb to me. [QUOTE=soulharvester;49924568]Voting Hillary is justifying the DNC's treatment of the voters of the Democratic party, which is unacceptable to me. They'll only continue to shill out worse and worse candidates if you let them get away with it.[/QUOTE] Mentioned it in another thread but I have never registered as a Democrat for a primary nor have I voted Democrat in any general election but I will vote Clinton if it comes down to her or Trump because I genuinely believe she will do less damage to this country than he will. I will not apologize for putting the security of the state above partisan bickering.

[QUOTE=kyle877;49924628]Then don't vote for Hilary? Vote for someone that supports your belief.[/QUOTE] Sanders is too meek on the old left he used to apparently worship and risks having to pander to millenial new leftists and liberals, the OWS and BLM kind. The kind whose views are defined more by Soros and Sharpton rather than Eugene Debs and Huey Newton/MLK, despite appropriating them. They are too liberal and too racial, too reliant on bullshit they learn in sociology rather than real experience with unrest and struggle (because there isn't any despite how badly they want it). The end result is theory-less complaining about 'white men' while being objectively to the right of everyone before that bitched about that, and accordingly actually dealt with their shit. In light of that, Trump is: 1. Not that right wing economically or socially 2. Owned by no one 3. Someone who will shake things up, to say the least, and will threaten the splits and polarization we need. 4. Apparently finding a curious base in the white working class, a surprising amount of millenials, as well as some disaffected lefties as I personally know, who similarly see him as a wrench to throw into an almost broken machine. 5. Seriously unstumpable.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924678] In light of that, Trump is: 1. Not that right wing economically or socially[/QUOTE] He is going to destroy federal revenue but at the same time he wants to massively increase spending so I'm honestly not sure? [QUOTE=Conscript;49924678]2. Owned by no one [/QUOTE] Oh great so instead of voting for the people who enable corporatism we just vote for the corporations themselves. [QUOTE=Conscript;49924678]3. Someone who will shake things up, to say the least, and will threaten the splits and polarization we need.[/QUOTE] Like someone said a few weeks ago, thats the best case scenario: That after 4 years of a disastrous Trump presidency Americans will learn the error of their ways.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49924734]Like someone said a few weeks ago, thats the best case scenario: That after 4 years of a disastrous Trump presidency Americans will learn the error of their ways.[/QUOTE] We've had our fair share of disastrous presidents that I don't think America will ever learn, even if Trump or someone worse is elected. People will forget and vote the next person that strikes their eye, no matter how terrible they are.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924678] 4. Apparently finding a curious base in the white working class, a surprising amount of millenials, as well as some disaffected lefties as I personally know, who similarly see him as a wrench to throw into an almost broken machine. [/QUOTE] Yes, Trump realizes that rhetoric and talking points are more important than policy. He is allowed to flip back and forth regarding foreign policy, defend his unrealistic wall on the southern border, and go with a tax plan that will gut the federal government because none of these things matter to his supporters. He "says it like it is" and isn't the establishment pick so this alone means he is the best person qualified to head the executive branch of the most powerful and influential nation on earth.

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924678]Sanders is too meek on the old left he used to apparently worship and risks having to pander to millenial new leftists and liberals, the OWS and BLM kind. The kind whose views are defined more by Soros and Sharpton rather than Eugene Debs and Huey Newton/MLK, despite appropriating them. They are too liberal and too racial, too reliant on bullshit they learn in sociology rather than real experience with unrest and struggle (because there isn't any despite how badly they want it). The end result is theory-less complaining about 'white men' while being objectively to the right of everyone before that bitched about that, and accordingly actually dealt with their shit.[/QUOTE]i think you understimate the amount of actual anguish and stress that many americans feel, their issues in life have much more in common with MLK and bernie feeds to that. he is socially progressive but it's not really his main platform (wealth inequality) if you take out the 'too liberal' 'too racial' aspects of bernie what really changes about him?? he makes mention of race in terms of social inequality but mainly focuses on economic status. hillary similarly talks about many of the same concepts but does not really have any of the economic or policy solutions to back up her claims of caring

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49924774]Yes, Trump realizes that rhetoric and talking points are more important than policy. He is allowed to flip back and forth regarding foreign policy, defend his unrealistic wall on the southern border, and go with a tax plan that will gut the federal government because none of these things matter to his supporters. He "says it like it is" and isn't the establishment pick so this alone means he is the best person qualified to head the executive branch of the most powerful and influential nation on earth.[/QUOTE] Like all politicians he'll be more grounded once in office, but it's his personality, yes, that's so attractive. He is no careerist, he is a demagogue (thus transparent in a twisted, cynical way). This is infinitely valuable in modern american politics, at least in my opinion. He played our individualist american game, he reached the top. Usually once there you become some kind of philanthropist, for him he's now a populist, unlike the vapid shill Clinton. It's very admirable, and for once the white working class will not be voting against its own interests and could go its own way (which the dems have been trying and failing to get it to do for a while) Also part of that annoying centrifugal force is responsibility to detached interests, like the legitimacy of our empire. I don't really care all that much, and rather like Trump's non-hawkish positions like on Russia. [editline]13th March 2016[/editline] Fuck it's hard to get to all this on a phone

[QUOTE=Conscript;49924839]Like all politicians he'll be more grounded once in office, but it's his personality, yes, that's so attractive. He is no careerist, he is a demagogue (thus transparent in a twisted, cynical way). This is infinitely valuable in modern american politics, at least in my opinion. He played our individualist american game, he reached the top. He's now a populist, unlike the vapid shill Clinton. It's very admirable, and for once the white working class will not be voting against its own interests. Also part of that annoying centrifugal force is responsibility to detached interests, like the legitimacy of our empire. I don't really care all that much, and rather like Trump's non-hawkish positions like on Russia.[/QUOTE] He's a twisted madman of whom other countries are preemptively banning from entering their land. I can't think of another presidential candidate that had this reception to the rest of the world. He's not valuable in modern American politics, he's a testament to the misguided hate, racism, and intellectually challenged masses of the United States.