Donald Trump cancels Chicago campaign rally over security concerns. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915476]We live in a fucking democracy. I don't care if you think Trump is wrong. He and his supporters have a right to express their opinion. He encouraged it because he knows that this bullshit just makes him stronger. And luckily, there are plenty of gullible idiots like you who are willing and eager to act exactly as he wishes. It doesn't matter how much faith you have in your own righteousness. You do not have the right to silence other people. Full fucking stop.[/QUOTE] hit the nail on the head Mr. Scorpio

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488][i]Their[/i] views are fucking fascistic to begin with. Again, this is nothing more than natural pushback. Where have you been exactly? Don't act shocked when people don't react well to a xenophobic bombastic asshole like Trump. Again, with their views: legitimizing torture, killing the families of ISIS fighters regardless of whether or not they did anything wrong, calling Mexicans rapists and saying they bring nothing but crime with them, also the ridiculous proposition that building a gigantic wall along the border will solve the "Mexican problem"...[/QUOTE] We never said you had to react well, I sure don't and same with many others. We just don't react with violence

Sometimes I feel like liberalism and conservatism are both a disease of the mind. Two sides of the same coin. And the only people not affected by these diseases are the people at the center who are horrified by both.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488] What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you? Go ahead and tell me, and give me reasons why. I[/QUOTE] The First amendment, He can say what ever the fuck he wants whether you like it or not, rioting over someone who's views you don't agree with is retarded.

Trumps response: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-latest-trump-supporters-protesters-fill-chicago-arena/2016/03/11/f394436e-e7e7-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html[/url] [quote]Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says he didn’t “want to see people hurt or worse” at his campaign rally in Chicago, so he decided to postpone the event. Trump tells MSNBC in a telephone interview that, “I think we did the right thing.”[/quote]

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488][i]Their[/i] views are fucking fascistic to begin with. Again, this is nothing more than natural pushback. Where have you been exactly? Don't act shocked when people don't react well to a xenophobic bombastic asshole like Trump. Again, with their views: legitimizing torture, killing the families of ISIS fighters regardless of whether or not they did anything wrong, calling Mexicans rapists and saying they bring nothing but crime with them, also the ridiculous proposition that building a gigantic wall along the border will solve the "Mexican problem"... What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you? Go ahead and tell me, and give me reasons why. I want to know, because you're going awfully far out of your way to defend some pretty hateful motherfuckers (and their equally hateful views) who like to talk a tough game and make all these accusations and cause trouble when there previously wasn't any. Jesus it's like arguing with children that can't logically process two contradicting concepts simultaneously. I basically want to see this turn out to be our American Cable Street. In any case, Trump needs to be opposed, as do his followers. And these hordes of people thankfully have sense enough to agree and see the necessity. The protesters do at least. Good for them.[/QUOTE] What part of this seems remotely acceptable to you? [QUOTE=Thlis;49915418][media]https://twitter.com/cbschicago/status/708472522828697600[/media][/QUOTE] You have been condoning harassment and violence against people for having an opinion.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488][i]Their[/i] views are fucking fascistic to begin with. Again, this is nothing more than natural pushback. Where have you been exactly? Don't act shocked when people don't react well to a xenophobic bombastic asshole like Trump. Again, with their views: legitimizing torture, killing the families of ISIS fighters regardless of whether or not they did anything wrong, calling Mexicans rapists and saying they bring nothing but crime with them, also the ridiculous proposition that building a gigantic wall along the border will solve the "Mexican problem"... What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you? Go ahead and tell me, and give me reasons why. I want to know, because you're going awfully far out of your way to defend some pretty hateful motherfuckers (and their equally hateful views) who like to talk a tough game and make all these accusations and cause trouble when there previously wasn't any. Jesus it's like arguing with children that can't logically process two contradicting concepts simultaneously. I basically want to see this turn out to be our American Cable Street. In any case, Trump needs to be opposed, as do his followers. And these hordes of people thankfully have sense enough to agree and see the necessity. The protesters do at least. Good for them.[/QUOTE] It isn't about whether it's right or not. I think Trump is a fucking weasel, and the things that come out of his mouth are vile. But he still has the right to say them. Do you lose your rights as a citizen if you say something that someone somewhere thinks it's wrong or backwards? Because I think YOUR opinion is wrong and backwards. Should you be forcibly silenced?

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488][i]Their[/i] views are fucking fascistic to begin with. Again, this is nothing more than natural pushback. Where have you been exactly? Don't act shocked when people don't react well to a xenophobic bombastic asshole like Trump. Again, with their views: legitimizing torture, killing the families of ISIS fighters regardless of whether or not they did anything wrong, calling Mexicans rapists and saying they bring nothing but crime with them, also the ridiculous proposition that building a gigantic wall along the border will solve the "Mexican problem"... What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you? Go ahead and tell me, and give me reasons why. I want to know, because you're going awfully far out of your way to defend some pretty hateful motherfuckers (and their equally hateful views) who like to talk a tough game and make all these accusations and cause trouble when there previously wasn't any. Jesus it's like arguing with children that can't logically process two contradicting concepts simultaneously. I basically want to see this turn out to be our American Cable Street. In any case, Trump needs to be opposed, as do his followers. And these hordes of people thankfully have sense enough to agree and see the necessity. The protesters do at least. Good for them.[/QUOTE] ''This man says stuff I don't agree with. Let's prove him right by rioting in our own cities and commit violence against others to protest his ideas we deem wrong, that will show him! '' Really, that is the kind of thinking which makes people ditch you instead of the group you are protesting against.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915476]We live in a fucking democracy. I don't care if you think Trump is wrong. He and his supporters have a right to express their opinion. He encouraged it because he knows that this bullshit just makes him stronger. And luckily, there are plenty of gullible idiots like you who are willing and eager to act exactly as he wishes. It doesn't matter how much faith you have in your own righteousness. You do not have the right to silence other people. Full fucking stop.[/QUOTE] We live in a democracy that has limits, and it must have limits, because otherwise, that's how these hateful kinds of people get into power in the first place. I know people are tired of the Hitler comparisons, but Hitler's exploitation of democracy perfectly illustrates this point. No, Trump isn't Hitler, but his views are backwards and dangerous, and they themselves pose a threat to the ethos of American society which revolves around the concepts of freedom of opportunity and tolerance of superficial differences like religion, culture, race, etc. And the fact that he encouraged it makes it all the more despicable. The fact it was plotted makes it even more important to oppose this man and everything he stands for. What the fuck are you doing exactly? I see a lot of people out here taking to the streets and actually doing something to fight back against this kind of crap and fighting for the America they want in the process, but where are you? You're not as smart as you think you are. We know what's going on here, but we also understand the importance of making a statement, standing up, and fighting back. Limited directionism is what I want and what the majority of these people want-- not vandalism.

You guys are honestly so divided it's a shame

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488]you're going awfully far out of your way to defend some pretty hateful motherfuckers (and their equally hateful views) who like to talk a tough game and make all these accusations and cause trouble when there previously wasn't any.[/QUOTE] If this had happened to Hillary or Bernie or Cruz I would defend them too because trying to silence somebody because you don't agree with them is not how democracy works. Sorry you can't or don't want to accept that.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49915539]You guys are honestly so divided it's a shame[/QUOTE] tbh this is better than a circlejerk where everyone agrees with eachother

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49915505]Sometimes I feel like liberalism and conservatism are both a disease of the mind. Two sides of the same coin. And the only people not affected by these diseases are the people at the center who are horrified by both.[/QUOTE] Anyone who thinks that they have the right to dictate who does and does not deserve the right to speak is the lowest form of authoritarian scum. It has nothing to do with left or right. All it takes is absolute, unwavering, implacable faith in your own political ideology.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488][i]Their[/i] views are fucking fascistic to begin with. Again, this is nothing more than natural pushback. Where have you been exactly? Don't act shocked when people don't react well to a xenophobic bombastic asshole like Trump. Again, with their views: legitimizing torture, killing the families of ISIS fighters regardless of whether or not they did anything wrong, calling Mexicans rapists and saying they bring nothing but crime with them, also the ridiculous proposition that building a gigantic wall along the border will solve the "Mexican problem"... What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you? Go ahead and tell me, and give me reasons why. I want to know, because you're going awfully far out of your way to defend some pretty hateful motherfuckers (and their equally hateful views) who like to talk a tough game and make all these accusations and cause trouble when there previously wasn't any. Jesus it's like arguing with children that can't logically process two contradicting concepts simultaneously. I basically want to see this turn out to be our American Cable Street. In any case, Trump needs to be opposed, as do his followers. And these hordes of people thankfully have sense enough to agree and see the necessity. The protesters do at least. Good for them.[/QUOTE] Trump isn't the best candidate, but if you're gonna protest, then protest PROPERLY! Don't fucking vandalize peoples cars, don't fucking harm officers trying to prevent damage/destruction/violence, don't fucking fire guns at people, and most importantly don't fucking RIOT over a candidate coming to do a rally. Do you seriously condone what these protesters did today? Are you fine with the damage they've caused?

[QUOTE=lavacano;49915482]It ain't like Trump could have convinced anybody there to vote for him anyway Peacefully or not, Chicago (or at least that part of it) has already demonstrated to Trump that they don't want to hear what he has to say. What's he going to do? Show up anyway, ask "eh, come on, why don't you guys like me?" He'd be preaching to some other church's choir here. Why bother trying to talk to people who are just going to ignore you and start yelling/throwing punches? Trump deciding "fuck that" and going elsewhere is actually a reasonable decision, as much as I hate admitting it[/QUOTE] But he had a sold out stadium full of people that wanted to hear him speak? A bunch of moron college students looking for an excuse to get rowdy on TV doesn't invalidate that there are definitely plenty of people in Chicago that want to hear him speak. This whole situation is ridiculous and childish.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915531]We live in a democracy that has limits, and it must have limits, because otherwise, that's how these hateful kinds of people get into power in the first place. I know people are tired of the Hitler comparisons, but Hitler's exploitation of democracy perfectly illustrates this point. No, Trump isn't Hitler, but his views are backwards and dangerous, and they themselves pose a threat to the ethos of American society which revolves around the concepts of freedom of opportunity and tolerance of superficial differences like religion, culture, race, etc. And the fact that he encouraged it makes it all the more despicable. The fact it was plotted makes it even more important to oppose this man and everything he stands for. What the fuck are you doing exactly? I see a lot of people out here taking to the streets and actually doing something to fight back against this kind of crap and fighting for the America they want in the process, but where are you? [/QUOTE] I honestly think you're views are backwards and dangerous. Should you get hit over the head with a bottle for that? I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915531]We live in a democracy that has limits, and it must have limits, because otherwise, that's how these hateful kinds of people get into power in the first place. I know people are tired of the Hitler comparisons, but Hitler's exploitation of democracy perfectly illustrates this point. No, Trump isn't Hitler, but his views are backwards and dangerous, and they themselves pose a threat to the ethos of American society which revolves around the concepts of freedom of opportunity and tolerance of superficial differences like religion, culture, race, etc. And the fact that he encouraged it makes it all the more despicable. The fact it was plotted makes it even more important to oppose this man and everything he stands for. What the fuck are you doing exactly? I see a lot of people out here taking to the streets and actually doing something to fight back against this kind of crap and fighting for the America they want in the process, but where are you? You're not as smart as you think you are. We know what's going on here, but we also understand the importance of making a statement, standing up, and fighting back. Limited directionism is what I want and what the majority of these people want-- not vandalism.[/QUOTE] "democracy is flawed, the people must have limits imposed upon them to keep them from making mistakes" christ's sake you sound like fucking stalin

[QUOTE=Govna;49915488]What part of any of this sounds remotely acceptable to you?[/QUOTE] Until he puts his ideas into practice (so probably never), it's some old fart saying some stupid shit. Meanwhile, what part of [I]destroying nearby cars and sending random people to the goddamn E.R.[/I] sounds remotely acceptable to [I]you[/I]? I can guaran-fucking-tee if this same situation were to happen to your favorite candidate, you'd be screaming bloody murder and shrieking for retribution.

Honestly, if you wanted to hurt trump, hurt him in his ego have no one turn up at his ralley

[QUOTE=Govna;49915531] We know what's going on here, but we also understand the importance of making a statement, standing up, and fighting back. Limited directionism is what I want and what the majority of these people want-- not vandalism.[/QUOTE] Then why is shit getting vandalized?

[QUOTE=da space core;49915568]Honestly, if you wanted to hurt trump, hurt him in his ego have no one turn up at his ralley[/QUOTE] I guess he's right about the turnout [editline]12th March 2016[/editline] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo[/url] TRUMP IS ON sound cut out?

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915550]Anyone who thinks that they have the right to dictate who does and does not deserve the right to speak is the lowest form of authoritarian scum. It has nothing to do with left or right. All it takes is absolute, unwavering, implacable faith in your own political ideology.[/QUOTE] Hence, 'two sides of the same coin'. These people who think they are different thus righteous in their belief are in reality the same. They don't know it because they blinded by their own faith in their ideology like you said.

Now Ted Cruz

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915516]It isn't about whether it's right or not. I think Trump is a fucking weasel, and the things that come out of his mouth are vile. But he still has the right to say them. Do you lose your rights as a citizen if you say something that someone somewhere thinks it's wrong or backwards? Because I think YOUR opinion is wrong and backwards. Should you be forcibly silenced?[/QUOTE] So you admit then you think we should all just be complete morons and not consider rationally whether or not beliefs are right or wrong/beneficial or harmful to us as individuals and our society as a whole, and instead we should just blindly believe "well he has a right to say them... even though he's a contender for the Presidency of the United States and would be representing 320 million people as their leader, would be making important decisions and statements about us and our society, etc." That is so open to abuse it's retarded, and the fact you don't acknowledge this is hilarious to me. What if he just outright said one day "I'm Donald Trump, and I think all sandniggers are worthless, and something really should be done about them"? What if it wasn't even him that said it-- what if it was another contender? What if they had a bunch of people that agreed with them too? Why exactly do they have a right to say these things? It's one thing if it's within the context of comedy or parody or just a personal statement made privately; it's something else entirely if it's someone running for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES saying shit like "we should legitimize torture, kill the possibly innocent family members of ISIS Fighters, build a gigantic wall between us and our neighbor to the south to keep all those raping and thieving Mexicans out". It's a slippery fucking slope, not only with him, but moreover with his supporters. I hate them both, but his supporters actually scare me more than he does. And yeah, for the record, I have to be careful what I say if someone thinks it's wrong or backwards. And that's the way it should be. If I'm a racist piece of shit and behave like a racist piece of shit, then I should be treated like the racist piece of shit I am. If you're a xenophobic asshole, then you deserve to be treated like a xenophobic asshole. It's a pretty fucking straightforward social contract we're talking about here honestly: treat others as you want to be treated, and don't be an asshole to them... or else there may be consequences, and don't act surprised if/when those consequences come knocking at your door. [editline]12 March 2016[/editline] Hell, beyond the social contract aspect, it's a basic concept of accountability. You are responsible for what you say and for what you do. Others may hold you accountable for these things, and sometimes, like when you're running to become president, it's really fucking important that they do. High standards and rigid enforcement of accountability are common sense when it comes to a situation like this.

Any opinions on Cruz's words, folks?

[QUOTE=zerglingv2;49915570]Then why is shit getting vandalized?[/QUOTE] Because a few people want to vandalize things? The parking lot situation has already ended, for the record. You're always going to have assholes at these kinds of events that take things too far and try to ruin it for everybody else. Usually they're a minority. Sometimes, like with Ferguson, they turn out to be a pretty sizable lot, and that's when there's actually a problem that needs to be addressed.

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[QUOTE=Govna;49915602]So you admit then you think we should all just be complete morons and not consider rationally whether or not beliefs are right or wrong/beneficial or harmful to us as individuals and our society as a whole, and instead we should just blindly believe "well he has a right to say them... even though he's a contender for the Presidency of the United States and would be representing 320 million people as their leader, would be making important decisions and statements about us and our society, etc." That is so open to abuse it's retarded, and the fact you don't acknowledge this is hilarious to me. What if he just outright said one day "I'm Donald Trump, and I think all sandniggers are worthless, and something really should be done about them"? What if it wasn't even him that said it-- what if it was another contender? What if they had a bunch of people that agreed with them too? Why exactly do they have a right to say these things? It's one thing if it's within the context of comedy or parody or just a personal statement made privately; it's something else entirely if it's someone running for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES saying shit like "we should legitimize torture, kill the possibly innocent family members of ISIS Fighters, build a gigantic wall between us and our neighbor to the south to keep all those raping and thieving Mexicans out". It's a slippery fucking slope, not only with him, but moreover with his supporters. I hate them both, but his supporters actually scare me more than he does. And yeah, for the record, I have to be careful what I say if someone thinks it's wrong or backwards. And that's the way it should be. If I'm a racist piece of shit and behave like a racist piece of shit, then I should be treated like the racist piece of shit I am. If you're a xenophobic asshole, then you deserve to be treated like a xenophobic asshole. It's a pretty fucking straightforward social contract we're talking about here honestly: treat others as you want to be treated, and don't be an asshole to them... [B]or else there may be consequences, and don't act surprised if/when those consequences come knocking at your door.[/B][/QUOTE] Yes because lynch mob mentality is the way towards a progressive and accepting society. You are despicable.

"We're the only campaign that can beat Donald Trump" Stop using that!

[QUOTE=Thlis;49915477]According to the radio chatter there are protesters that are now heading towards the hospital emergency room.[/QUOTE] UIC is basically a medical campus. All that might mean is that the protesters have moved down Harrison like a block.