Donald Trump cancels Chicago campaign rally over security concerns. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49915505]Sometimes I feel like liberalism and conservatism are both a disease of the mind. Two sides of the same coin. And the only people not affected by these diseases are the people at the center who are horrified by both.[/QUOTE] There is nothing wrong with Liberalism and Conservatism, it's just people taking it to extremes. It is why I believe that the Political Compass should be three dimensional. x axis is Left and Right, y axis is Authoritarian and Libertarian, z axis is how extreme you are about it. [editline]3[/editline] [t]https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif[/t] [t]https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/us2016.png[/t] For example here's the political standings of some of the most famous people with extreme views, up against our current candidates.

Pretty much all these people got played by Trump and he's gonna ride this wave to much higher poll numbers. He'll slowly drift to more moderate views as many have predicted and make the left look like the nuts this election season when he's hammering Hillary over her involvement in foreign affairs dealing with coups, the email scandal, Benghazi, ect.

[QUOTE=Thlis;49915646]Yes because lynch mob mentality is the way towards a progressive and accepting society. You are despicable.[/QUOTE] And you're a joke. I don't want a lynch mob, and I've already said as much. I want order and organization here, but I honestly am fine with the anger and disgust these people have. Are you really surprised that this is happening lol? You can't say the kind of shit Trump has said, believe the kinds of things he and his supporters do, and NOT seriously expect people to retaliate against it. Apparently, lots of people agree that they dislike (strongly) rich, xenophobic assholes. What a shocking revelation. It's almost as if there are still swathes of our society that value common decency and think it's worthwhile to oppose backwardness and bigotry (torture, indiscriminate murder, racial and religious prejudice, and so on).

[QUOTE=Govna;49915602]So you admit then you think we should all just be complete morons and not consider rationally whether or not beliefs are right or wrong/beneficial or harmful to us as individuals and our society as a whole, and instead we should just blindly believe "well he has a right to say them... even though he's a contender for the Presidency of the United States and would be representing 320 million people as their leader, would be making important decisions and statements about us and our society, etc." That is so open to abuse it's retarded, and the fact you don't acknowledge this is hilarious to me. What if he just outright said one day "I'm Donald Trump, and I think all sandniggers are worthless, and something really should be done about them"? What if it wasn't even him that said it-- what if it was another contender? What if they had a bunch of people that agreed with them too? Why exactly do they have a right to say these things? It's one thing if it's within the context of comedy or parody or just a personal statement made privately; it's something else entirely if it's someone running for the PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES saying shit like "we should legitimize torture, kill the possibly innocent family members of ISIS Fighters, build a gigantic wall between us and our neighbor to the south to keep all those raping and thieving Mexicans out". It's a slippery fucking slope, not only with him, but moreover with his supporters. I hate them both, but his supporters actually scare me more than he does. And yeah, for the record, I have to be careful what I say if someone thinks it's wrong or backwards. And that's the way it should be. If I'm a racist piece of shit and behave like a racist piece of shit, then I should be treated like the racist piece of shit I am. If you're a xenophobic asshole, then you deserve to be treated like a xenophobic asshole. It's a pretty fucking straightforward social contract we're talking about here honestly: treat others as you want to be treated, and don't be an asshole to them... or else there may be consequences, and don't act surprised if/when those consequences come knocking at your door.[/QUOTE] It feels really good on the inside of the mob. Really good. Everyone agrees with you. The people you disagree with, the ones who annoy you? You can just silence them with force. And it feels so fucking good to do it. It makes you feel powerful. It makes you feel like you're a part of something big. It makes you feel like you're changing the world. But you aren't. You're just a part of an angry rabble, taking out their pent up frustration on whatever walks into sight first. You aren't making anything better. All you're doing is jerking off. But eventually that mob is going to turn on you. Because the things that make you and it frustrated, and I mean the real things, not the excuses you tell yourself, aren't going to be solved by shouting some inane rhetoric or roughing up some political dissidents. Eventually the mob is going to run out of outside targets, and will begin to cannibalize itself. And I want you to know, when you are in the fucking crosshairs, when you are the one being threatened, that you fucking asked for it.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo[/url] [B]The Ted Cruz rally is about to start, where Trump is reportedly due to show up[/B]

[QUOTE=Govna;49915602]So you admit then you think we should all just be complete morons and not consider rationally whether or not beliefs are right or wrong/beneficial or harmful to us as individuals and our society as a whole, and instead we should just blindly believe "well he has a right to say them...[/QUOTE] Again, what are you gonna do about it? Censor the people with the "wrong" opinions? [I]Imprison them[/I]? [QUOTE]That is so open to abuse it's retarded, and the fact you don't acknowledge this is hilarious to me.[/QUOTE] Still less retarded than disallowing people to voice their beliefs. [QUOTE]What if he just outright said one day "I'm Donald Trump, and I think all sandniggers are worthless, and something really should be done about them"?[/QUOTE] ...vote for someone else? [QUOTE]What if they had a bunch of people that agreed with them too?[/QUOTE] Welcome to democracy. [QUOTE]Why exactly do they have a right to say these things?[/QUOTE] Not living in a dictatorship might have something to do with it. [QUOTE]And yeah, for the record, I have to be careful what I say if someone thinks it's wrong or backwards. And that's the way it should be. If I'm a racist piece of shit and behave like a racist piece of shit, then I should be treated like the racist piece of shit I am. If you're a xenophobic asshole, then you deserve to be treated like a xenophobic asshole. It's a pretty fucking straightforward social contract we're talking about here honestly: treat others as you want to be treated, and don't be an asshole to them... or else there may be consequences, and don't act surprised if/when those consequences come knocking at your door.[/QUOTE] Now this is the most ironic part of your post, considering you've been acting like a literal nazi for the entire thread.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915684]It feels really good on the inside of the mob. Really good. Everyone agrees with you. The people you disagree with, the ones who annoy you? You can just silence them with force. And it feels so fucking good to do it. It makes you feel powerful. It makes you feel like you're a part of something big. It makes you feel like you're changing the world. But you aren't. You're just a part of an angry rabble, taking out their pent up frustration on whatever walks into sight first. You aren't making anything better. You aren't helping anyone but yourself. But eventually that mob is going to turn on you. Because the things that make you and it frustrated, and I mean the real things, not the excuses you tell yourself, aren't going to be solved by shouting some inane rhetoric or roughing up some political dissidents. Eventually the mob is going to run out of outside targets, and will begin to cannibalize itself. And I want you to know, when you are in the fucking crosshairs, when you are the one being threatened, that you fucking asked for it.[/QUOTE] This isn't what's going on here, and this also has nothing to do with what I want, but thanks for choosing to completely ignore all of the valid points I've made.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915680]And you're a joke. I don't want a lynch mob, and I've already said as much. I want order and organization here, but I honestly am fine with the anger and disgust these people have. Are you really surprised that this is happening lol? You can't say the kind of shit Trump has said, believe the kinds of things he and his supporters do, and NOT seriously expect people to retaliate against it. Apparently, lots of people agree that they dislike (strongly) rich, xenophobic assholes. What a shocking revelation. It's almost as if there are still swathes of our society that value common decency and think it's worthwhile to oppose backwardness and bigotry (torture, indiscriminate murder, racial and religious prejudice, and so on).[/QUOTE] Order via silencing political opponents? Smells preeeeetty fascist bro

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KJ5qL4h.png[/img] Conflicting, but stay tuned

[QUOTE=Govna;49915697]This isn't what's going on here, and this also has nothing to do with what I want, but thanks for choosing to completely ignore all of the valid points I've made.[/QUOTE] Every single one of your points is made under the assumption that you have the right to decide what is right and wrong, and based on that take rights away from other people as you see fit. You can't accept that as a fallible being, just like the rest of us, you don't have the right to decide what is and is not acceptable speech for other people. Your opinion, mine, and even Trumps are all protected by that understanding. If even one of us doesn't have it, then none of us do. And you're willing to throw it away just because it fucking feels good.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915680] What a shocking revelation. It's almost as if there are still swathes of our society that value common decency and think it's worthwhile to oppose backwardness and bigotry (torture, indiscriminate murder, racial and religious prejudice, and so on).[/QUOTE] so the damage to private property and injury of civilians and police officers that has occured in chicago today is worthwhile to you?

[QUOTE=Govna;49915697]thanks for choosing to completely ignore all of the valid points I've made.[/QUOTE] Which ones? The one about how "certain people should be silenced because their ideas are [I]wrong[/I]"? I'm still waiting on you to elaborate on that. Like who exactly gets to choose what's acceptable and what's harmful, and what happens to dissenters.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49915505]Sometimes I feel like liberalism and conservatism are both a disease of the mind. Two sides of the same coin. And the only people not affected by these diseases are the people at the center who are horrified by both.[/QUOTE] Becoming one with the Center is just part of being a healthy and balanced individual—the Everyman that agrees and disagrees with varying aspects of both sides and wants to incorporate the best of both into one whole. When you realize that will never happen because both sides are the same parasitical shit with a different name, always have been and seemingly always will be, that's when you get to be the Old Jaded Man.

[QUOTE=Axznma;49915782]Becoming one with the Center is just part of being a healthy and balanced individual—the Everyman that agrees and disagrees with varying aspects of both sides and wants to incorporate the best of both into one whole. When you realize that will never happen because both sides are the same parasitical shit with a different name, always have been and seemingly always will be, that's when you get to be the Old Jaded Man.[/QUOTE] "Ugh, Hillary is such a horrible candidate. By the way, the center is the right way to go, guys!" Left = Change Center = Maintain status quo Right = Change Bernie is left, and supports change. Trump is right, and supports change. Hillary is center, and supports things staying the same

Chicago handled this in the only way Chicago ever would. Trump knew what he was doing when he planned it. I wouldn't be suprised if he wanted protests to break out.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49915692]Again, what are you gonna do about it? Censor the people with the "wrong" opinions? [I]Imprison them[/I]? Still less retarded than disallowing people to voice their beliefs. ...vote for someone else? Welcome to democracy. Not living in a dictatorship might have something to do with it. Now this is the most ironic part of your post, considering you've been acting like a literal nazi for the entire thread.[/QUOTE] This is just pathetic. "A literal Nazi". Let's just get something straight here: until someone starts calling for the mass extermination of millions of people because of their religious beliefs, racial/ethnic origins, political ideologies, etc., nobody here is a Nazi. Nobody has done this anywhere in the thread, especially me. Trump isn't even a Nazi. His supporters are not Nazis. Now granted there are interesting comparisons that can be made between the lot of them (whether it's Nazism or Fascism), but even I don't acquiesce to being so intellectually lazy as to label them all as being Nazis. You though are being so over-dramatic and overreacting to something that's actually a pretty straightforward issue... I'm not even sure how to respond at this point. I guess I'll just ask you flat-out, do you think torture is a legitimate thing that we, the United States, should embrace as a national policy when it comes to handling accused terrorists? Do you think we should actually consider indiscriminately killing who knows how many innocent people for no other reason than they have relatives who are affiliated with ISIS? Do you think it's fine to label huge swathes of the American population of Mexican ancestry, who come here to this country and work extremely hard for very little benefit, "rapists" and "criminals" who do nothing but "bring crime" into this country? Do you think it's fine to invade the private lives of millions of American citizens who are Muslims for no other reason than because they are Muslim in the first place, and do you think they should all be cataloged in a national database and singled out for their religious beliefs? Because, if the answer is yes to any of the above, you may not be a literal Nazi... but you're still a pretty fucking despicable human being that wants to do terrible things to people for no valid/reality-based reason at all. And guess what else? This is the stuff Trump and his supporters have called for. Do you not see an issue here with this stuff on a moral and ethical basis? Do you not understand the importance of holding a presidential contender to higher standards than your average individual and as well expecting the same out of his supporters who, in lieu of the above, have extremely incorrect and backwards views that will needlessly cause irreparable harm?

[QUOTE=Govna;49915818]This is just pathetic. "A literal Nazi". Let's just get something straight here: until someone starts calling for the mass extermination of millions of people because of their religious beliefs, racial/ethnic origins, political ideologies, etc., nobody here is a Nazi. Nobody has done this anywhere in the thread, especially me. Trump isn't even a Nazi. His supporters are not Nazis. Now granted there are interesting comparisons that can be made between the lot of them (whether it's Nazism or Fascism), but even I don't acquiesce to being so intellectually lazy as to label them all as being Nazis. You though are being so over-dramatic and overreacting to something that's actually a pretty straightforward issue... I'm not even sure how to respond at this point. I guess I'll just ask you flat-out, do you think torture is a legitimate thing that we, the United States, should embrace as a national policy when it comes to handling accused terrorists? Do you think we should actually consider indiscriminately killing who knows how many innocent people for no other reason than they have relatives who are affiliated with ISIS? Do you think it's fine to label huge swathes of the American population of Mexican ancestry, who come here to this country and work extremely hard for very little benefit, "rapists" and "criminals" who do nothing but "bring crime" into this country? Do you think it's fine to invade the private lives of millions of American citizens who are Muslims for no other reason than because they are Muslim in the first place, and do you think they should all be cataloged in a national database and singled out for their religious beliefs? Because, if the answer is yes to any of the above, you may not be a literal Nazi... but you're still a pretty fucking despicable human being that wants to do terrible things to people for no valid/reality-based reason at all. And guess what else? This is the stuff Trump and his supporters have called for. Do you not see an issue here with this stuff on a moral and ethical basis? Do you not understand the importance of holding a presidential contender to higher standards than your average individual and as well expecting the same out of his supporters who, in lieu of the above, have extremely incorrect and backwards views that will needlessly cause harm?[/QUOTE] Yes, I do think those views are backwards and vile, and that's exactly why I spend obscene and unhealthy amounts of time trying to formulate persuasive and concise arguments against them. That is how you handle views you disagree with in a civilized society. If that is too complicated for you, then by all means, feel free to move somewhere else.

[QUOTE=No_0ne;49915763]so the damage to private property and injury of civilians and police officers that has occured in chicago today is worthwhile to you?[/QUOTE] What part of "I don't want vandalism" did you not understand? I made this pretty fucking clear earlier: this needs to be limited against Trump and his supporters, that's it. It's like when protesters fight back against neo-Nazis: it needs to be limited against them. Not the cops, because they're just doing their jobs, and certainly not innocent bystanders and their property.

You do know what the Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances are right? Trump won't be able to do any of those things.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915828]Yes, I do think those views are backwards and vile, and that's exactly why I spend obscene and unhealthy amounts of time trying to formulate persuasive and concise arguments against them. That is how you handle views you disagree with in a civilized society. If that is too complicated for you, then by all means, feel free to move somewhere else.[/QUOTE] And what's that gotten you, Mr. Scorpio? Have you actually accomplished anything by talking and arguing? Discourse is important, but action is also important. And this is what you need to understand here.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49915831]You do know what the Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances are right? Trump won't be able to do any of those things.[/QUOTE] It's the principle of the matter, he still supports doing those things, that's what matters You could argue a lot of what Bernie says could never happen too.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915829]What part of "I don't want vandalism" did you not understand? I made this pretty fucking clear earlier: this needs to be limited against Trump and his supporters, that's it. It's like when protesters fight back against neo-Nazis: it needs to be limited against them. Not the cops, because they're just doing their jobs, and certainly not innocent bystanders and their property.[/QUOTE] so the damage to private property and injury of civilians should be limited to trump and his supporters?

[QUOTE=Govna;49915833]And what's that gotten you, Mr. Scorpio? Have you actually accomplished anything by talking and arguing? Discourse is important, but action is also important. And this is what you need to understand here.[/QUOTE] I have not actively contributed to Trump's political campaign, so right from the start I've already done more than these protesters have. "Action" taken without the slightest hint of thought or reason is worse than no action at all.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915818]This is just pathetic. "A literal Nazi". Let's just get something straight here: until someone starts calling for the mass extermination of millions of people because of their religious beliefs, racial/ethnic origins, political ideologies, etc., nobody here is a Nazi. Nobody has done this anywhere in the thread, especially me. Trump isn't even a Nazi. His supporters are not Nazis. Now granted there are interesting comparisons that can be made between the lot of them (whether it's Nazism or Fascism), but even I don't acquiesce to being so intellectually lazy as to label them all as being Nazis. You though are being so over-dramatic and overreacting to something that's actually a pretty straightforward issue... I'm not even sure how to respond at this point. I guess I'll just ask you flat-out, do you think torture is a legitimate thing that we, the United States, should embrace as a national policy when it comes to handling accused terrorists? Do you think we should actually consider indiscriminately killing who knows how many innocent people for no other reason than they have relatives who are affiliated with ISIS? Do you think it's fine to label huge swathes of the American population of Mexican ancestry, who come here to this country and work extremely hard for very little benefit, "rapists" and "criminals" who do nothing but "bring crime" into this country? Do you think it's fine to invade the private lives of millions of American citizens who are Muslims for no other reason than because they are Muslim in the first place, and do you think they should all be cataloged in a national database and singled out for their religious beliefs? Because, if the answer is yes to any of the above, you may not be a literal Nazi... but you're still a pretty fucking despicable human being that wants to do terrible things to people for no valid/reality-based reason at all. And guess what else? This is the stuff Trump and his supporters have called for. Do you not see an issue here with this stuff on a moral and ethical basis? Do you not understand the importance of holding a presidential contender to higher standards than your average individual and as well expecting the same out of his supporters who, in lieu of the above, have extremely incorrect and backwards views that will needlessly cause irreparable harm?[/QUOTE] How can you even construe engaging in violence as "holding a presidential contender to higher standards"?

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People condoning and organizing this sort of shit against trump don't realize they're playing straight into his hand. He's popular because he is attacked so much not despite being attacked so much. I wouldn't be surprised if this galvanizes more people to support him.

don't tell me to stop beating myself in the head with a hammer! I don't see YOU doing anything to cure my rheumatism!

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49915831]You do know what the Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances are right? Trump won't be able to do any of those things.[/QUOTE] How do you know he won't manage to eke something out anyway? How do you know that Congress would stay completely opposed to him? I mean as diehard as his supporters are, it's not hard to imagine otherwise he might use them as his own personal horde against the establishment and a tool of intimidation if they didn't go along with him. It's certainly not impossible. But that's besides the point. These are the things he has said, these are the things his supporters have agreed with, and this is the result: they've made a lot of people angry, regardless of whether or not they could actually do any of it, and it's no surprise given the despicable things they've said they believe in and have called for. They're being held accountable now.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49915691][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mq5hrUDoYo[/url] [B]The Ted Cruz rally is about to start, where Trump is reportedly due to show up[/B][/QUOTE] When is Trump supposed to show up?

[QUOTE=puppy156;49915869]When is Trump supposed to show up?[/QUOTE] I don't think the people at the event would allow that. It's filled with Ted Cruz supporters.