Donald Trump cancels Chicago campaign rally over security concerns. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49915803]"Ugh, Hillary is such a horrible candidate. By the way, the center is the right way to go, guys!" Left = Change Center = Maintain status quo Right = Change Bernie is left, and supports change. Trump is right, and supports change. Hillary is center, and supports things staying the same[/QUOTE] That's not quite what he meant. When someone who is left and someone who is right both become blinded by hate for the other side and refuse to look at something with a different perspective, to try to understand it, that is when it becomes a problem. To be center in my idea, is to be able to look at both sides without becoming completely enamored by either one. From your idea of center, Hillary Clinton being your example, it seems to take the idea of halting us in time rather then simply digesting the thoughts of two conflicting forces.

[QUOTE=Durandal;49915857]People condoning and organizing this sort of shit against trump don't realize they're playing straight into his hand. He's popular because he is attacked so much not despite being attacked so much. I wouldn't be surprised if this galvanizes more people to support him.[/QUOTE] No, it will be successfully played up to his supporters whether there are any protestors or not. No protestors = See? Everyone loves me. They like what I'm saying. They know it's true. Protestors = See? This is what we're up against. These people want to destroy America, and we can't let them.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915843]I have not actively contributed to Trump's political campaign, so right from the start I've already done more than these protesters have. "Action" taken without the slightest hint of thought or reason is worse than no action at all.[/QUOTE] These protesters on the other hand have probably already contributed to campaigns in opposition of him, and they're actually out there making a statement against him and calling his bullshit out as being unacceptable. Make no mistake, there's reason to the action that's being taken. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not they're [i]organized[/i] well enough to actually get anything done in the end. But the fact they're still out there doing this is important in either case, because it shows people are still willing to stand up for what's right and fight back against these kinds of views and behaviors.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49915831]You do know what the Separation of Powers and Checks and Balances are right? Trump won't be able to do any of those things.[/QUOTE] With a supermajority of Republicans in the house, he will still be able destroy Obamacare completely, sending Gay Marriage back to the stone age, cutting taxes to the rich corporations, and tearing down regulations that protect the middle man.

tbh I bet you most of the rioters don't even care and were just looking for an excuse to riot

[IMG]http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2016/03/11/ariot66.jpg[/IMG] The cringe is so hard. These people.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915882]These protesters on the other hand have probably already contributed to campaigns in opposition of him, and they're actually out there making a statement against him and calling his bullshit out as being unacceptable. Make no mistake, there's reason to the action that's being taken. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not they're [i]organized[/i] well enough to actually get anything done in the end. But the fact they're still out there doing this is important in either case, because it shows people are still willing to stand up for what's right and fight back against these kinds of views and behaviors.[/QUOTE] and in the process garnering previously unthinkable amounts of sympathy for his cause, as well as supplying a tangible boogey man for hard right movements everywhere to stand in opposition to Bravo, well done. Truly a tactical victory worthy of Alexander the Great.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915818]I guess I'll just ask you flat-out, do you think torture is a legitimate thing that we, the United States, should embrace as a national policy when it comes to handling accused terrorists? Do you think we should actually consider indiscriminately killing who knows how many innocent people for no other reason than they have relatives who are affiliated with ISIS? Do you think it's fine to label huge swathes of the American population of Mexican ancestry, who come here to this country and work extremely hard for very little benefit, "rapists" and "criminals" who do nothing but "bring crime" into this country? Do you think it's fine to invade the private lives of millions of American citizens who are Muslims for no other reason than because they are Muslim in the first place, and do you think they should all be cataloged in a national database and singled out for their religious beliefs?[/QUOTE] No, and where the fuck did I ever imply that I'm OK with those? Meanwhile, [I]you[/I] were the one calling for silencing the ideas you deemed unfit for society. That's like, dictatorship 101. You were also the one chastising people for ~ignoring your valid points~, while you still haven't answered what I asked over and over again: who gets to decide which opinions are right or wrong, and what happens to the opposing voices.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915882]These protesters on the other hand have probably already contributed to campaigns in opposition of him, and they're actually out there making a statement against him and calling his bullshit out as being unacceptable. Make no mistake, there's reason to the action that's being taken. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not they're [i]organized[/i] well enough to actually get anything done in the end. But the fact they're still out there doing this is important in either case, because it shows people are still willing to stand up for what's right and fight back against these kinds of views and behaviors.[/QUOTE] Physical violence and rioting against people with views you don't agree with is a great way to solidify those peoples views.

look once the anti Trump squad is organized and starts taking more directed action against Trump, the public will come around to supporting them I mean yeah there's always going to be some collateral damage but don't worry I'm sure that everyone will realize it's for a good cause and unite in solidarity with us and we won't look like the greater of two evils at all

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49915906]and in the process garnering previously unthinkable amounts of sympathy for his cause, as well as supplying a tangible boogey man for hard right movements everywhere to stand in opposition to Bravo, well done. Truly a tactical victory worthy of Alexander the Great.[/QUOTE] Oh-- except none of this has actually happened, and as Emly pointed out: [QUOTE=emly;49915879]No, it will be successfully played up to his supporters whether there are any protestors or not. No protestors = See? Everyone loves me. They like what I'm saying. They know it's true. Protestors = See? This is what we're up against. These people want to destroy America, and we can't let them.[/QUOTE] You don't know one way or the other what's going to happen, and you're just jumping to conclusions about how people are going to react when this is still a breaking story about an event that has only begun. You [i]really[/i] underestimate the number of Americans that don't like Trump.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915962]Oh-- except none of this has actually happened, and as Emly pointed out: You don't know one way or the other what's going to happen, and you're just jumping to conclusions about how people are going to react when this is still a breaking story about an event that has only begun. You [i]really[/i] underestimate the number of Americans that don't like Trump.[/QUOTE] The fact that your entire justification of this protest boils down to "action is better than inaction" and "they're making a statement" tells me everything I need to know about how pointless and self defeating it is.

[QUOTE=Procrastinate;49915891][IMG]http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2016/03/11/ariot66.jpg[/IMG] The cringe is so hard. These people.[/QUOTE] And why is that cringey?

[QUOTE=Govna;49915962]Oh-- except none of this has actually happened, and as Emly pointed out: You don't know one way or the other what's going to happen, and you're just jumping to conclusions about how people are going to react when this is still a breaking story about an event that has only begun. You [i]really[/i] underestimate the number of Americans that don't like Trump.[/QUOTE] I guess if you ignore his surging poll numbers when controversy or someone tries to attack the mad man you'd be right.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;49915914]You were also the one chastising people for ~ignoring your valid points~, while you still haven't answered what I asked over and over again: who gets to decide which opinions are right or wrong, and what happens to the opposing voices.[/QUOTE] Because it's got an obvious answer: the people. At the end of the day, democracy comes down to the people. It's always a question of what they want, how they feel, etc. They make society; they get out of it whatever they put into it. This is Government 101. I assumed you already knew this. And as for the opposing voices, well, that depends. In a country like Germany, for example, you can get in a lot of trouble for glorifying Nazism and can actually be fined or imprisoned if you take things too far. I know, Germany is a horrible place and such an oppressive dictatorship... oh-- except it's not. It has pretty common sense regulation dealing with what's acceptable vs. what isn't, something which the United States unfortunately lacks when it comes to political speech. [editline]12th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Durandal;49916003]I guess if you ignore his surging poll numbers when controversy or someone tries to attack the mad man you'd be right.[/QUOTE] More like when other Republicans start endorsing him and do a shitty job at attacking him individually (I'm looking at you, Mitt Romney). There hasn't been a popular political protest of this kind against him though. Not one of this caliber. That says a lot about where the people themselves stand. [editline]12th March 2016[/editline] I'm going to bed. BEFORE I go to bed however, I want to make this abundantly clear one final time: 1) I don't want cops or innocent people to die here. The cops are just doing their jobs, and they have enough shit to put up with as it is (being Chicago and all). Innocent people are... innocent (duh), and they should be left alone as should their property. 2) This should be a matter kept strictly about Trump and his supporters, and that's it. Whatever happens, happens in the end, but people honestly should not be surprised by this kind of eruption of anger that has finally appeared against them.

[QUOTE=Govna;49915119]Get the fuck out and stay the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Chicago is a shithole anyway, and these riots prove those baboons can't respect a democracy. I don't blame trump for skipping it.

[QUOTE=Govna;49916011]Innocent people are... innocent (duh), and they should be left alone as should their property****.[/QUOTE] ****Unless they disagree with me

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49916074]Chicago is a shithole anyway, and these riots prove those baboons can't respect a democracy. I don't blame trump for skipping it.[/QUOTE] why is chicago a shithole how is trump "skipping" democracy and why do you think it's okay if he was?

Just the start, really. Just wait until he's a serious candidate. More people, more anger, more instability. And people said i was crazy when i said he'd be the one to destroy america.

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;49916114]why is chicago a shithole how is trump "skipping" democracy and why do you think it's okay if he was?[/QUOTE] He meant that he's skipping chicago, not democracy

These people are deluded, combating free speech with free speech. So what do they think can accomplish with these BLM people and Bernie supporters acting violent. The trump supporters and people have a right to assemble and rally no matter what they think. And yes while Trump supporters can get violent as well (the guy punching the protester the other day), it is nowhere as bad as this level of violence, it's inexcusable.

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;49916114][B]why is chicago a shithole [/B] how is trump "skipping" democracy and why do you think it's okay if he was?[/QUOTE] A massive corrupt bureaucracy that still manages to have one of the highest crime rates in the United States, several times that of the average. It's a strong economy and I hear there are some nice parts of town but it's objectively a bit shit.

[QUOTE=Govna;49916011]Because it's got an obvious answer: the people. At the end of the day, democracy comes down to the people. It's always a question of what they want, how they feel, etc. They make society; they get out of it whatever they put into it. This is Government 101. I assumed you already knew this.[/QUOTE] And yet not long ago you were terrified at the idea of people agreeing with Trump's shit and voting for him. Let's assume your system gets put into place, and that "the people" one day decide that [I]your[/I] opinion is the wrong one, whatcha gonna do? You're still being too damn vague. Where do you draw the line? How are you even gonna vote on a matter like this? Hold popular referendums for every single thing that might be said? Have the people elect their representatives in the Good Opinion committee? How do you quantify "going too far", are you going to arrest people over a twitter shitpost? I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that actively campaigning for genocide is pretty damn fucking bad. But voicing an opinion, however stupid it might be, should never be a crime in a truly democratic state.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;49916074]Chicago is a shithole anyway, and these riots prove those baboons can't respect a democracy. I don't blame trump for skipping it.[/QUOTE] How exactly is Chicago a shithole? Have you ever even been to Chicago?

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[QUOTE=QuinnithXD;49916209]How exactly is Chicago a shithole? Have you ever even been to Chicago?[/QUOTE] Yeah I got carjacked by a heroin addict.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49916222]Yeah I got carjacked by a heroin addict.[/QUOTE] Strange how I live here and nothing even remotely similar has happened to me in my entire life.

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[QUOTE=Govna;49915833]And what's that gotten you, Mr. Scorpio? Have you actually accomplished anything by talking and arguing? Discourse is important, but action is also important. And this is what you need to understand here.[/QUOTE] So if you and I were talking about something that was personal, important, and emotional, and I disagreed with you in a way that you demonize, you have all the right in the world to attack me as you've argued through out this thread is acceptable and understandable? Are you okay with base impulses being your deciding factor while talking about how strong your rational mind is? Are you seriously not having any problems with your own internal logic here? [editline]11th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;49915836]It's the principle of the matter, he still supports doing those things, that's what matters You could argue a lot of what Bernie says could never happen too.[/QUOTE] I understand what you're arguing, and why you're arguing it. People holding hateful opinions can spread those opinions, and then more people are more dangerous and that cycle consumes itself. The issue is, if you think you actually have a right to silence those people, to stop those views through force, through law, through power, you are going to exacerbate that issue, or you are going to destroy freedom of speech, and start a descent into literal fascism. You cannot just "make" people think differently. And I don't think you should. If you can't convince them you're right, that sucks, but as long as we want to be a civilized society, everyone has to learn to deal with the fact people can have opinions you don't like. Make a meaningful and non violent push for change to stop what you see. Don't sit back and advocate for violence. That's just being lazy.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49916135]He meant that he's skipping chicago, not democracy[/QUOTE] shit, bad reading, sorry