• Study finds less crime near pot dispensaries
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you don't HAVE to smoke hash with tobacco. you dont HAVE to smoke any form of pot with any tobacco at all. just dropped in to say that.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32414192]So, uh, legalize heroin and cocaine. That solves that problem.[/QUOTE] No. Why don't you just sell cyanide in Wal-Mart, that doesn't make much difference to me.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;32414467]I would like proof that smoking a lot of weed is harmful for you. you won't find any unbiased studies sir.[/QUOTE] I'm just going to say this again, Stop trying to make it look like pixie dust. There is no doubt smoking anything is bad for you. Though health risks are minimal, they still exist. I smoke it because I accept those risks.
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;32415041]you don't HAVE to smoke hash with tobacco. you dont HAVE to smoke any form of pot with any tobacco at all. just dropped in to say that.[/QUOTE] [url]http://api.ning.com/files/yyfiOeT8ac45MNtEOQpxoPqbXoG-u1T2XgPPrNjiLr7IyFqEelGYpxmcfOPY-sh1HhbVCg26khSWm0636J584EJb0zrtvDcK/hash.jpg[/url] This is hash. Good luck rolling that. I guess you could still manage to get something when you got crapload of it. But you'd have to be incredibly retarded to waste it like that.
Ok....I'm tired of people saying weed is a gateway drug. Its not! Technically its not even a drug (it can be harvested from a plant.) Nothing is in charge of who you are. You always have the ability to say no. You tried pot, liked it, tried something stronger because you thought you might like it more. That is a person's decision right there. A person needs to be held accountable for their own actions and decisions. My point is, any form of addiction boils down to a person being unable to say no to a substance and even if you CAN'T say no to it, there are places that HELP you with stuff like that. I just don't see how the "gateway" argument holds up. Any responsible person can drink alcohol and know their limits. Cigs and all other substances are the same. I'm sorry if I upset anyone in this post, I'm just trying to lay out my thoughts here. I just think its pathetic if you call yourself an addict because you can't say no and walk away.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32415101][url]http://api.ning.com/files/yyfiOeT8ac45MNtEOQpxoPqbXoG-u1T2XgPPrNjiLr7IyFqEelGYpxmcfOPY-sh1HhbVCg26khSWm0636J584EJb0zrtvDcK/hash.jpg[/url] This is hash. Good luck rolling that.[/QUOTE] use a bong with a bell. or just drip it onto some normal bud.
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;32415151]use a bong with a bell. or just drip it onto some normal bud.[/QUOTE] Right, it's been a hell of a time I haven't used a bong totally forgot it even existed, my bad.
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;32412117]Well, it would add another substance that can be abused. But considering you can get high off of anything these days it's hardly an argument.[/QUOTE] And the fact that drugs can be "abused" anyway. Prohibition isn't doing shit to impede drug use. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Solo Wing;32415114]Ok....I'm tired of people saying weed is a gateway drug. Its not! Technically its not even a drug (it can be harvested from a plant.) Nothing is in charge of who you are. You always have the ability to say no. You tried pot, liked it, tried something stronger because you thought you might like it more. That is a person's decision right there. A person needs to be held accountable for their own actions and decisions. My point is, any form of addiction boils down to a person being unable to say no to a substance and even if you CAN'T say no to it, there are places that HELP you with stuff like that. I just don't see how the "gateway" argument holds up. Any responsible person can drink alcohol and know their limits. Cigs and all other substances are the same. I'm sorry if I upset anyone in this post, I'm just trying to lay out my thoughts here. I just think its pathetic if you call yourself an addict because you can't say no and walk away.[/QUOTE] I completely agree here. Although, most people are too retarded to make responsible decisions. The concept of moderation needs to be taught.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;32415114]Technically its not even a drug (it can be harvested from a plant.)[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drug"]Do you know what the word drug means?[/URL] It has nothing to do with where a substance came from.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;32415114]Technically its not even a drug (it can be harvested from a plant.)[/QUOTE] That has absolutely nothing to do with the definition of a drug. If it alters normal body function, it's a drug.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;32414467]I would like proof that smoking a lot of weed is harmful for you. you won't find any unbiased studies sir.[/QUOTE] It still produces smoke, it can still give you lung cancer, how many times does that have to be said goddammit.
personally i think the whole 'pot cant just be all fun and games if you abuse it, my friends turned to lame people etc etc" is a pretty lame argument if one of your friends suddenly became extremely habitual about playing video games by himself, and whenever he wasn't playing video games he would always be being a downer talking about how he wish he could be playing video games, would you blame video games? i don't really think there's such a thing as "abusing" pot. anyone who does nothing but smoke and be all lame and shit is just an idiot. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32415577]It still produces smoke, it can still give you lung cancer, how many times does that have to be said goddammit.[/QUOTE] show me one person with lung cancer specifically from marihuana.
[QUOTE=ScoobySnax;32411259]Wow. So many good arguments can come from this.[/QUOTE] hey hey hey hey smoke weed everyday
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.[/QUOTE] While legalisation is not sunshine and rainbows, it's a shit load better than prohibition of any drug. When people say "well, you can't legalize those drugs, you'll start an epidemic of drug use" have you REALLY thought this statement through? Even for a second? Because historically, you're wrong on every level. At the end of prohibition, alcohol use and abuse was higher than ever before and yet, once it ended, completely contrary to your predictions, alcohol use went DOWN. Massively. Now, lets look at Portugual and what they did to "legalize" drugs. Did they see a massive surge of drug use? very briefly and it fell right back down to below prohibition levels. Drug use, and abuse. And suddenly, rehab became a much better place to go. And then there's this "small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash." is 100% fabricated BULLSHIT. Can you go stand in front of a school with a 24 pack of beer and sell that to kids? NO. You can't. It's illegal. Why would it be even the slightest bit different with hard drugs? [QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438] Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together. Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE] The people that smoke that much are doing that on their own free will, and are essentially choosing to fuck themselves up. Who are you to say that they cannot and who are you to interject into their freedoms and rights? Yes, people who are high 24/7 are probably less useful than people who are not, but so what? I understand people don't want other people to be drug "addicts", but it's stupid to think that legalizing things would make it worse than it already is. Having a prohibition of all drugs causes massive crime, and turns people who are otherwise just being self destructive into a huge burden to society by being incarcerated. yet, they still do it. What's the best solution here, practically? [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32412282]It could indeed. But people are not debating about legalizing alcohol right now, nor forbidding it (thanks god). [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] That's definitly not a good idea, the main reason lots of people including me want to smoke their joint legally is because it's not that much of a big deal when you're smoking from times to times. Drink a beer with friends or get a massive hangover doesn't make you an alcoholic, nor do smoking a blunt or several ones in a row at a party makes you a junkie. But some of those other drugs pretty much instantly gets you addicted and fucks up your health pretty bad. Now you could say cigs does that but a smoker out of cig is definitly not going to behave like a crack addict who hasn't got his shit for a little while. But yes, money gained by selling marijuana legally should be spent on reforming the institutions you quoted, definitly.[/QUOTE] No. You can't be much more ignorant of drug use and drug users. Yes, a drug like Crack is a one time use kind of thing. Not many other drugs are, and even if they are, they're still out there and they're still being used and created. As for this whole argument that addicts will be violent and steal whatever they can to get their fix? Really? You're going to generalize every drug "addict"? Those crimes are already illegal. They're STILL illegal when you're high or fiending for a high. That doesn't take away anything but the right to do these drugs in a much safer more legal environment. Why does everyone that's against legalization think that everyone is just going to go out and be a fucking junkie day one of legalization? That's fucking stupid and boggles the mind. it also boggles my mind how people think that once they're legalized its like a 5 year old could buy that shit.
man i hate weed threads legalize it cause its not really that bad end of discussion why do people get so up in arms over it
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;32415583]personally i think the whole 'pot cant just be all fun and games if you abuse it, my friends turned to lame people etc etc" if one of your friends suddenly became extremely habitual about playing video games by himself, and whenever he wasn't playing video games he would always be being a downer talking about how he wish he could be playing video games, would you blame video games? i don't really think there's such a thing as "abusing" pot. anyone who does nothing but smoke and be all lame and shit is just an idiot. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] show me one person with lung cancer specifically from marihuana.[/QUOTE] Smoke gives you cancer, regardless if it's from weed, tobacco, or other plants.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32412786]Refer to the part where I'm saying dealers would end up with little to no customers anymore and start selling away stronger shit. Dealers are not weirdos and social outcast, they're usually friends or people you know and they can be very persuasive when it comes to selling their stuff. Also no pretty much everyone I know (usually 16 to 20 years old) know that marijuana is far less dangerous than alcohol and what's the difference between a recreational drug (?) and a strong drug. (not quite sure about those last terms, in French we got terms literally translated as "Soft drug" and "Strong drug") Now people could be not that well aware in Finland (not a negative comment about finnish people) but this is the case here and I think it is in the US aswell.[/QUOTE] This is the thing. Legalization won't leave dealers in the common sense. Are there alcohol dealers? Sure, there's a few people who sell bootleg alcohol and other shit. But that's the vast minority. I see that you believe that regulation of drugs wouldn't exist and you could just pass out heroin out front of a high school. This is wrong and I honestly think it's completely unfounded. No one that thinks about this would believe that the government would just make it free to anyone to sell. You're going to need a background check, a license, you're going to be under supervision at some point at the very least to assure that you're not selling shit product or breaking the rules and selling to kids. Dealers won't exist as they do now, if you don't believe that big phama will pick up where the illegal cooks left off, you're an idiot. It's going to be corporatized(spelling?) and legislated and regulated. [QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32412786] Now I can entirely agree. I thought you were going for the "legalize [B]everything[/B]" argument. [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [/QUOTE] If you ask me, anytihng less is stupid. You're still going to have people doing those drugs and you're still going to have people selling those drugs in very dangerous fashions. The best option it seems for all people would be to do what Portugual did. legalize just about everything, create rehab programs, and create intelligent legislation and regulation of drug use. Why, WHY do people think "legalization" means "free game for anyone"? [QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32412786] You [B]have[/B] to mix hash with tobacco and that's what I usually smoke. Now I find that smoking plain weed is kind a waste considering how expensive the shit is and I don't know anyone not cutting it with tobacco. But yeah that was a bad point anyway I'll give you that.[/QUOTE] No, no you really don't. You can easily smoke hash on it's own, I have a number of times, you don't need anything with marijuana except for marijuana. I've literally never cut my weed with tobacco, so this is really, really such a horseshit argument. It all comes down to who you're with and where you are. Different countries, counties, and area's all have different smoking "traditions". [editline]21st September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32416214]Smoke gives you cancer, regardless if it's from weed, tobacco, or other plants.[/QUOTE] however, it's worth noting that among marijuana smokers alone, there's not one recorded case of lung cancer, black lung, or emphysema, common among tobbaco smokers.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32415057]No. Why don't you just sell cyanide in Wal-Mart, that doesn't make much difference to me.[/QUOTE] Cyanide =\= heroin.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32416214]Smoke gives you cancer, regardless if it's from weed, tobacco, or other plants.[/QUOTE] well apparently it doesn't because nobody has ever gotten any form of cancer specifically from pot.
I maintain my argument: When was the last time you heard of a guy getting really high and robbing a bank, or shooting up a school, or getting in a fight? You haven't. The only thing in danger when you're high is your fridge and your couch. Decriminalizing it will bring up other issues like people being blazed at work and not getting shit done though.
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[QUOTE=ThisIsTheOne;32417311] It can fuck up your lungs I think, but not by cancer.[/QUOTE] none of the virtually life time smokers ive met have had any respiratory problems.
Correlation does not prove causation.
[QUOTE=Sourcream&onion;32417702]Correlation does not prove causation.[/QUOTE] uh okay do a national survey of people who have been regularly smoking for at least one year and see what the results are.
There's a reason weed isn't legal. It's because in the long-term, the idea is to reduce the usage of drugs as much as possible. It's the same for ciggs and alcohol. Just because weed "isn't any worse" than others, doesn't mean that it should be advocated.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash. Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together. Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE] Before they smoked weed did they use toilet paper? Toilet paper is a gateway drug.
[QUOTE=Tommyx50;32417977]There's a reason weed isn't legal. It's because in the long-term, the idea is to reduce the usage of drugs as much as possible. It's the same for ciggs and alcohol. Just because weed "isn't any worse" than others, doesn't mean that it should be advocated.[/QUOTE] Moral view. That's not what we all want and that's not fair to slap onto everyone. people who act like drugs and drug users have contributed absolutely nothing to the world clearly haven't looked art or watched movies or read books or listened to music. Not to mention, that's not the real reason it's illegal at all and that certainly doesn't seem like "freedom" to me. And no ones advocating drug use, but allowing people free reign over those decisions and allowing people to have the choice to say no is far better than making them say no. forcing a lesson onto someone doesn't teach them anything.
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;32417406]none of the virtually life time smokers ive met have had any respiratory problems.[/QUOTE] It causes respiratory complications similar to smoking. Smoker's cough, lower lung capacity, that sort of shit.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32418056]It causes respiratory complications similar to smoking. Smoker's cough, lower lung capacity, that sort of shit.[/QUOTE] I'm a swimmer and a smoker, and for the most part, i've felt no effects in terms of loss of lung capacity. But that's likely because I keep exercising my lungs.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32418104]I'm a swimmer and a smoker, and for the most part, i've felt no effects in terms of loss of lung capacity. But that's likely because I keep exercising my lungs.[/QUOTE] Of course, if you keep exercising them then it will even that shit out. However you might not be improving as fast as you would if you were a non smoker.
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