[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together.
Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE]
People tend to be introduced to harder drugs through their dealers. How will they move on if they get their weed from a dispensary and don't have to go through any shady people?
They're probably all too busy smoking to care about things like that. :v:
I think people would be more interested in robbing the outdoor patio shop next to the dispensary I go to. If they saw the "Members Only Establishment" sign then [i]maybe[/i] they'll be more inclined to do so?
I'll have to show this to the guys down at the clinic, they'll love to hear this.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together.
Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE]
lmao, gateway drug theory is only true because it's illegal, when you get into that community of illegal drugs you just feel like you want to do even more illegal drugs, if it was legal than no one would do anything worse.
It's not like people smoke cigs and go to heroin, even though cigs are worse in every conceivable way.
for anyone who's saying that weed causes respiratory problems, where are your sources?
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;32421915]for anyone who's saying that weed causes respiratory problems, where are your sources?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070212184119.htm[/url]
[editline]22nd September 2011[/editline]
"The study's physiologic data failed to show an association between long-term marijuana smoking and airflow obstruction (emphysema). However, all 14 studies that assessed long-term marijuana smoking and respiratory complications noted an association with increased respiratory symptoms, suggesting obstructive lung disease. "
listen, i don't give a shit if weed is safer than any other drug or if any other drugs are worse or if it can cure my cancer and make me pancakes in the morning or any other shit. legalization shouldn't be about that. it should be about the government having absolutely no right to try to arrest me for doing things with my own body that aren't doing harm to others.
Just because pot doesn't give you cancer doesn't mean it's free of side effects.
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;32421915]for anyone who's saying that weed causes respiratory problems, where are your sources?[/QUOTE]
I don't know but there is a ton of evidence that it's not good for your cardiovascular system.
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11792512]Acute cardiovascular fatalities following cannabis use.[/url]
[url=http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563657909010604]Myocardial Infarction and Marijuana.[/url]
[url=http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0091305775901616]Marihuana and the cardiovascular system.[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/769605]Cardiovascular effects of cannabinol during oral surgery.[/url]
[url=http://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S0167-5273(08)01396-X/abstract]Cannabis induced acute coronary syndrome in a young female[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21306702]Cannabis and myocardial infarction without angiographic stenosis in young patient: guilty or not guilty? A case report.[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175062]Keep off the grass: marijuana use and acute cardiovascular events.[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19946452]Cardiac arrest following cannabis use: a case report.[/url]
[url=http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/103/23/2805.shortl]Triggering Myocardial Infarction by Marijuana[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17005273]Marijuana as a trigger of cardiovascular events: speculation or scientific certainty?[/url]
[url=http://emj.bmj.com/content/22/9/679.abstract]Cardiovascular complications induced by cannabis smoking: a case report and review of the literature[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12944889]Coronary no-flow and ventricular tachycardia associated with habitual marijuana use.[/url]
[url=http://jcp.sagepub.com/content/42/11_suppl/58S.abstract]Cardiovascular system effects of marijuana[/url]
[QUOTE=TheHydra;32421989]listen, i don't give a shit if weed is safer than any other drug or if any other drugs are worse or if it can cure my cancer and make me pancakes in the morning or any other shit. legalization shouldn't be about that. it should be about the government having absolutely no right to try to arrest me for doing things with my own body that aren't doing harm to others.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god this x1000.
[QUOTE=flyschy;32422130]I don't know but there is a ton of evidence that it's not good for your cardiovascular system.
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yeah there's a reason why i asked about respiratory problems
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;32422401]yeah there's a reason why i asked about respiratory problems[/QUOTE]
I started finding them and then I realized it was irreverent to what you asked afterwards.
I didn't want to waste all that effort.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together.
Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this. [/QUOTE]so how exactly are these "small dealers with a lack of income" supposed to afford heroin and cocaine, both hilariously expensive just for tiny amounts of ass-quality product, to sell to high school kids who may or may not even buy it? I mean maybe they could if they weren't "giving away weed and hash" that they were supposed to be selling.
Come on man, this is sensationalist headlines not sensationalist comments.
I don't personally agree with your other statements but I won't go so far as to say that you're wrong. I believe people tend to greatly overestimate people's willingness to "move up to harder drugs" after trying marijuana as their first drug as well as exaggerate what this actually means, but it can certainly happen, depending on the person. I mean, I don't think I would have ever tried Ecstasy or DXM had I never smoked weed, but I've only ever taken Ecstasy once and DXM a few times and have relatively little experience with drugs beyond that, but it seems most people who support the "gateway drug" theory make the assumption that people who move on to other drugs after using marijuana are going to go all out and become heroin/meth addicts who steal things and whore themselves out to support their habit. As such I think your statement that the gateway drug effect would "most likely" happen if marijuana were sold legally is not necessarily correct. I mean really, how many people do you think are going to start using marijuana just because it's legal and sold openly, when it's already so easy to get if somebody really wants to try it? Or move on to other drugs just because weed is easier to get, rather than simply smoking more weed or more often than they already do?
I also disagree with your assumption that "most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether", though I have heard anecdotally that in Europe it is much more common to combine tobacco and weed in a joint/blunt or similar than it is in America, where the vast majority of joints etc. that I see are made with weed alone. It's true that many marijuana smokers also smoke cigarettes, but I would say (I can't however find statistics to back this) that a roughly equal proportion of marijuana users do not use tobacco or use it only rarely.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;32414192]So, uh, legalize heroin and cocaine. That solves that problem.
[editline]21st September 2011[/editline]
No, allow people to get what they want. We can already buy as much alcohol and tobacco that we want. Why should we restrict other drugs?[/QUOTE]
I said drugs, not pot. Pot should be all you can buy, but any other drug should be regulated.
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together.
Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry but you cant say that most of the time people mix tobacco and weed together because almost noone does that in my country
Hey guys, it all boils down to choice, i'm seeing a lot of "smoking weed is bad 4 ur health" yeah, no shit smoke is bad for your lungs in any form. But is that the marijuana itself? No, it's the act of smoking it, if you're arguing either way on that topic you're pretty much retarded, it has little to do with the drug itself.
As for Frenchman and his claims of "my friends smoked weed then heroin" or whatever, sorry to say but your friends were idiots with no sense self control or preservation, again why the fuck are you blaming marijuana for their own shortcomings.
In short, People are stupid, stop blaming a plant for their bad decisions. That goes for smoking it as well, of course it's bad, vaporize it or eat it if you're worried about it.
[editline]22nd September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;32424737]Im sorry but you cant say that most of the time people mix tobacco and weed together because almost noone does that in my country[/QUOTE]
"I'm aware of every weed user's smoking habits in a country of roughly 22 million"
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
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People are not going to sell coke and heroin in front of school. The whole reason why people sell weed there is because it's fucking cheap and easy to get and grow. And also for the grown ups, shit like cocaine and heroin is expensive, or atleast a lot more expensive than weed
[QUOTE=sami-elite;32424613]I said drugs, not pot. Pot should be all you can buy, but any other drug should be regulated.[/QUOTE]
I know what you said.
Don't restrict them. You shouldn't be allowed to buy a gram of meth a day, or an ecstasy pill a day. You should be allowed to buy as much as you fucking want, because you are a free human being who can make his own choices.
If you know where to get enough coke to turn a profit, you're going to have a group of people who want to buy it, people you already know. Dealers don't go buy some coke and say "Well I better go find some strangers to sell it to!" There's this thing called supply and demand that even drug dealers adhere to.
Angry Frenchman's original post is just a bunch of poor speculation illustrating how little he knows about the entire subject of drugs.
feels good to know that all this negative media propaganda with no sources/studies is starting to fade and be replaced by actual positive research studies etc. still won't be legalised in my country for a loooong time purely thanks to the media
some kid who lived near me killed someone else just see what the feeling was like and because he smoked weed all the newspapers around me made it out that cannabis gave him thoughts that killing = good even though he admitted to only smoking it once or twice a month...
[QUOTE=Angry Frenchman;32411438]Legalization is not just all about it being safer than cigs (btw, that's pretty stoopid to say since most of the time you mix tobacco and weed altogether) or alcohol. I'm personally for it being legal in my country, but you have to take in account once you'll be able to buy some everywhere you'll most likely get people moving on to much stronger drugs such as heroin or coke. I can't count the amount of friends I have who smoked or still smoke to be "AgAInst Tha LaW fu dah police". Add to that small dealers will have a lack of income and will start selling said heroin or coke in front of highschools when they were just giving away some weed or hash.
Also I'd like to point out that this is still a drug, just because it's not as harmful health wise as alcohol doesn't mean it's perfectly safe when overused. When you're being depressive as shit you tend to smoke everyday and be high almost constantly instead of trying to move on or fix your shit together.
Just thought I'd add my two cents, I'm smoking with friends from times to times and that's great but I've also seen people changing entirely because of this.[/QUOTE]
Most of the kids I know would never move on to heroin.
You know why? Because it's fucking dangerous. Obviously though everyone that smokes, vapes, ingests, etc pot does so just for the high. It can't also be because how safe it is for you.
There's only one kid I know that get's high all of the time and that's out of many. Also he pops pills and shit so he's being a dumb ass regardless. Oddly enough though it hasn't seemed to affect him.
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