• Trump Releases 7-Point Healthcare Reform Plan
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[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;49973999]Because that's literally socialized medicine and we can never have that because that's a COMMUNIST thing to do and we HATE Communism. It's really unfortunate that Americans took so hard to the anti-communist propaganda that was spread around during the cold war because it kind of fucked us over as far as social programs go.[/QUOTE] Fuck social programs when you can have AMERICAN PROGRAMS LIKE THIS!
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;49973999]Because that's literally socialized medicine and we can never have that because that's a COMMUNIST thing to do and we HATE Communism. It's really unfortunate that Americans took so hard to the anti-communist propaganda that was spread around during the cold war because it kind of fucked us over as far as social programs go.[/QUOTE] It's a shame. If I were in America I would probably consider myself a Republican, albeit on the progressive side, but some degree of social safety nets, especially with healthcare, should always be provided. Like how it works here (regarding hospitals) is care at a public hospital is free of charge, but you can buy private health insurance so that you can instead be admitted to a private hospital with shorter waiting lines and private (rather than semi-private) accommodation.
[QUOTE=sb27;49974045]It's a shame. If I were in America I would probably consider myself a Republican, albeit on the progressive side, but some degree of social safety nets, especially with healthcare, should always be provided. Like how it works here (regarding hospitals) is care at a public hospital is free of charge, but you can buy private health insurance so that you can instead be admitted to a private hospital with shorter waiting lines and private (rather than semi-private) accommodation.[/QUOTE] That would be an ideal system for us, allowing people a public choice and private choice appeals to both sides. But I think Bernie would completely destroy the private sector because evil capitalism, he mentioned his plan would eliminate premiums and deductibles so what that means for private insurance I have no clue.
USA, get your shit together and get a proper 21st century health care system.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49974218]That would be an ideal system for us, allowing people a public choice and private choice appeals to both sides. But I think Bernie would completely destroy the private sector because evil capitalism, he mentioned his plan would eliminate premiums and deductibles so what that means for private insurance I have no clue.[/QUOTE] The problem is there's no single payer system for insurance to compete against. We have to get the single payer option first so insurance can work around that
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49972124]No, in NJ the estate tax is low enough it's forcing middle class retirees out of the state and sending them to Florida. Right now it's set at $675,000 which isn't hard to reach as it takes into account not just your home but your possessions such as savings and retirement funds making it easy to get hit by it.[/QUOTE] I have trouble imagining $675,000 as being "easy to hit," and that's coming from someone who's grandparents died and left their inheritors a 200,000$ house, plus 240,000$ in cash and a Cadillac. (Divided among their inheritors.) They were, in my humble estimation, "extremely well off." Not to mention there are an incredibly robust number of work-arounds that explicitly cheat such practices. For instance, my other grandmother while terminally ill, sold the bulk of her worldly possessions (including car, house, etc.) to her daughter for "one dollar." Or in my own case, my own mother making me a joint owner on our current house so that, in the potential case of her death, the house will not be assessed or tied up in Estate closing and will simply become property under my sole ownership.
I am an American, I am free to not buy health insurance but that's illegal. I had to pay a $325 penalty because I made less than $200 OVER poverty level wages in my household (which is $15930). The other person in my household is retired(through SSI) and unable to work.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;49971680]US is strange. Your healthcare isn't free but you want to make not purchasing it illegal? You either go free and everyone gets it or go paid and people who can't afford it aren't breaking the law.[/QUOTE] There's a weird mindset here in the US. A lot of us like to pretend that people [i]can[/i] do things as long as we force them to do it. So if health insurance is not required, a lot of people won't pay for it. Make it a legal requirement and everyone will pay for it. That's the mindset. Most people who go without insurance can't afford to pay for it, which is why they are without it. How passing a law will cause money to materialize from people who don't have it is never explained. The reason why we don't have a national healthcare 'free' system is people here in the US generally get upset at the idea of paying for something that someone else gets 'free'. "Why should my tax dollars go to pay for that guy's healthcare?", "Why should we pay for housing for the homeless?", "Why should my taxes pay for prisoners getting job training or college education?". Good luck trying to explain to people like that how it pays off in the long run to raise everyone's standard of living. It's easier to convince them we need to buy more aircraft carriers and fighter planes. The funny thing is we do have free services paid for by the taxpayers. The public school system for one. No one will deny that making sure everyone has access to free education is a good idea, but somehow the idea that everyone has free healthcare is evil socialism.
No mention of preserving the ACA disallowing insurance companies from refusing to insure pwipe with preexisting condition, is there? So, if Trump gets into office and passes these regressive policies, will I go back to being uninsurable and thus completely abandoned by the US healthcare system as I was before the ACA?
[QUOTE=false prophet;49974717]I am an American, I am free to not buy health insurance but that's illegal. I had to pay a $325 penalty because I made less than $200 OVER poverty level wages in my household (which is $15930). The other person in my household is retired(through SSI) and unable to work.[/QUOTE] Then tell your congressman to RAISE the level instead of vote to outright repeal it. Republicans don't want to fix the aca they want to eliminate it. Obama has been ductaping it as much as he can but no massive program, be it the highway trust fund, social security, medicare, or welfare is right the first time, but the Republicans have been disingenuous with the voters by trying to dynamite it instead of repair it
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;49975175]There's a weird mindset here in the US. A lot of us like to pretend that people [i]can[/i] do things as long as we force them to do it. So if health insurance is not required, a lot of people won't pay for it. Make it a legal requirement and everyone will pay for it. That's the mindset. Most people who go without insurance can't afford to pay for it, which is why they are without it. How passing a law will cause money to materialize from people who don't have it is never explained. The reason why we don't have a national healthcare 'free' system is people here in the US generally get upset at the idea of paying for something that someone else gets 'free'. "Why should my tax dollars go to pay for that guy's healthcare?", "Why should we pay for housing for the homeless?", "Why should my taxes pay for prisoners getting job training or college education?". Good luck trying to explain to people like that how it pays off in the long run to raise everyone's standard of living. It's easier to convince them we need to buy more aircraft carriers and fighter planes. The funny thing is we do have free services paid for by the taxpayers. The public school system for one. No one will deny that making sure everyone has access to free education is a good idea, but somehow the idea that everyone has free healthcare is evil socialism.[/QUOTE] The people who can't afford it are exempt from the mandate, however. If you make below a certain income level you simply have to get on file with healthcare.gov and you become exempt from the potential fines. It isn't a low number either. I make 35k/year, which is at least a living wage, and qualify for the exemption.
My biggest gripe about the Republican plans are basically if you aren't a senior on Medicare, or you aren't making plenty of disposable income, they don't want you. Talk all you want about lowering costs, fudging around with rules on taxes, or somehow stimulating the industry by slashing regulations, but if you aren't healthy, senior, or have money, then this isn't the healthcare coverage for you. Tens of millions of people live with chronic conditions that affect both their ability to even be considered for coverage, and their ability to work and set aside money for coverage, they are precisely the people our healthcare system wants to avoid because they are expensive, but they are the ones who need coverage the most
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49975326]No mention of preserving the ACA disallowing insurance companies from refusing to insure pwipe with preexisting condition, is there? So, if Trump gets into office and passes these regressive policies, will I go back to being uninsurable and thus completely abandoned by the US healthcare system as I was before the ACA?[/QUOTE] Dude you just need to sell a kidney per month, it's fair really.
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