Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10 - Polidicks

I jumped on the Windows 10 upgrade when it showed up. Though after some updates and TH2 I'm having some issues that I can only fix via a clean install (Start Menu/Cortana stopped working and audio services crash a lot), and it's something I would like to avoid until I get fed up with constant workarounds, as I'm rather tired of bringing a computer up to speed over and over again. I kinda wish there was a way to just plug in a USB stick and not even have to bother setting stuff up again on a clean install... As for the whole 'not supporting anything less than 10 for new CPUs', it is a bit strange how massively they're pushing Windows 10 now. I understand their fears about another XP situation, but forcing people onto a OS that is undoubtedly buggy for quite a few people doesn't seem the best option.

[QUOTE=SpaceDude;49541998]the kind of issues where you can't run older games without it fucking up in some ways[/QUOTE] What games? I have not had any problems running games in Win10 In fact I've noticed some older games ran better.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;49542926]What games? I have not had any problems running games in Win10 In fact I've noticed some older games ran better.[/QUOTE] The one's I've had trouble with were super old sprite/voxel based RTSes like Command & Conquer, but those luckily have fixes from the community.

[QUOTE=SpaceDude;49541904]Yeah man, they're dropping support for most likely the most used version of Windows that is also the best to run every types of games without compatibility issues, those literal fucking nazis!!!![/QUOTE] i have come across literally 0 compatibility issues with anything on windows 8, 8.1 or 10 i don't know where these worries are coming from? like what niche program or game magically does not run on windows 10 that is stopping you from upgrading to an all round better OS? for free to boot

Yeah they are forcing their hand but Windows 10 is pretty nice.....only issue I've had was that my printer doesn't have a windows 10 driver. To be fair, the latest driver for it was a Windows Vista one....

[QUOTE=Oblivion Knight;49542954]The one's I've had trouble with were super old sprite/voxel based RTSes like Command & Conquer, [B]but those luckily have fixes from the community[/B].[/QUOTE] then there's the problem solved. that or spend 10 minutes setting up a VM at the end of the day it's up to you guys whether or not you want to upgrade but if the time does come that you're forced to it really is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Satane;49542077]"free", "upgrade" LOL[/QUOTE] uhh it is free and it is an upgrade LOL

Some games break since the current version of directx doesnt support older directx titles from what I understand. I hear a lot of complaints about windows 10 being buggy when i never had that issue. I think any issue with windows 10 traces back to not working with older hardware or software

Eh doesnt matter. Im getting skylake and have windows 10

[QUOTE=Mitchel.;49542720]I've switched from Windows XP to Windows 7 few months ago and i ain't planning to switch anywhere for couple of years. I've still got Windows XP installed on second disc aswell. Checkmate Microsoft :v:[/QUOTE] By Checkmate you mean going to what's about to go out the door so that you can be almost one decade behind instead of two Yeah you really won that one

[QUOTE=Coment;49542081]Microsoft sends information from your PC (which could easily be crash dumps)? How dare they, MicroNSAft! Microsoft doesn't send information, and can't fix a problem reported in multiple PCs because of it? Well yeah I'd update if it didn't crash so much! Microsoft pushes W10 as hard as possible? Wow what the hell, my computer my rules! Microsoft doesn't do it, having less users on it (showing developers that making stuff compatible with it is low priority)? Yeah no not going to upgrade, W7 is compatible with more things.[/QUOTE] You're actually kinda showing why this is an issue with your argument. "which could easily be crash dumps" This is basically the entire issue for a lot of people including myself. There is no transparency, we simply don't know exactly what information Microsoft is grabbing from your computer. If they were completely transparent about it then a large chunk of the people who see this as really scummy or fishy would probably realize it's not as bad as they thought. Them trying to push everyone to upgrade as hard as they are is [I]really[/I] not helping matters and only makes those who already don't trust them feel like they're doing this for underhanded reasons to invade privacy. And since Microsoft refuses to be transparent there's no compelling reason for them to not believe that they're not. [QUOTE]Oh yeah, obligatory anecdotal evidence: I had 0 driver issues, 0 crashes, 0 'shareware' programs uninstalled.[/QUOTE] I had issues where I couldn't actually make use of the start menu/screen after my initial upgrade and had to reinstall Windows and re-upgrade to get it to cooperate. Recently I've also had a bunch of issues with Photoshop CC 2016 freezing my computer randomly which is apparently due to Windows causing some conflict between it and my gpu from what I've gathered. And that is an issue which affects everyone who uses Photoshop CC 2016 as far as I know.

[QUOTE=J!NX;49542024]Even though I have windows 7 and 8.1 I [B]STILL[/B] bought windows 10 simply because it's less of a headache to reformat on a clean slate and yet I still believe it was worth it. that being said, I mean, free upgrade yeah but they are being pretty forceful, no? It's no wonder people are annoyed. Comfort in your computer gives you confidence, and like, if it isn't broken, why fix it? At least we won't see the XP effect, and this will all pass when everyone has been assimilated.[/QUOTE] So long as you legitimately own either 7, 8 or 8.1 (I've even heard pirated copies work, can't talk from experience though), you can do a clean install upgrade to 10 without any trouble activating at all. See: [url]http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/30/how-to-clean-install-windows-10-directly-without-upgrade/[/url] [quote] 1. You need a Windows 10 DVD or ISO image for that. If you don't have one get it from here. Download the tool from Microsoft's website to create the ISO image. Make sure you pick the right architecture and version. 2. Burn the ISO, mount it or extract it. 3. Navigate to the folder \Windows\x64\sources or P:\Windows\x32\sources and drag&drop the file gatherosstate.exe to the desktop. 4. Run the file afterwards. It creates GenuineTicket.xml on the desktop. This file is needed so copy it to a USB drive or other location. 5. Run a clean install of Windows 10 afterwards on the system. Make sure you skip the product key. 6. Once you are done and in Windows 10, copy the file GenuineTicket.xml to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\ClipSVC\GenuineTicket. 7. The folder is hidden by default. If you cannot see it, select File > Options > View > Show hidden files, folders and drives in File Explorer. 8. Reboot the PC. [/quote] Very simple, worked for me. I was on 8 and I absolutely hate Window's messy in place upgrade system -- I much prefer a clean install. So I did, no worries. Haven't had any issues with 10 in my 3 months of using it so far.

[QUOTE=zerosix;49542966]then there's the problem solved. that or spend 10 minutes setting up a VM at the end of the day it's up to you guys whether or not you want to upgrade but if the time does come that you're forced to it really is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be [/QUOTE] Actually posting from my W7 VM right now that I've set up explicitly for the stuff I've had issues with. Couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=Mitchel.;49542720]I've switched from Windows XP to Windows 7 few months ago and i ain't planning to switch anywhere for couple of years. I've still got Windows XP installed on second disc aswell. Checkmate Microsoft :v:[/QUOTE] "I'm a luddite and proud of it."

I upgraded from 8.1 with the pre-release version a month before the retail release and it worked absolutely fine. had no issues.

No seriously, what are the benefits of 10 over 7?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49542108] Maybe this will give the Linux world the incentive to go into a more productive direction. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux but my productivity is significantly lower because I have to look up so much shit time and time again. it's often so needlessly complicated.[/QUOTE] For a power user Linux is a lot more productive than Windows, as long as you take the time to learn and understand it. What you just said is like saying "man, walking is so much faster than driving, because learning how to drive is so time consuming" [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=damnatus;49543159]No seriously, what are the benefits of 10 over 7?[/QUOTE] Well the bloatware's pretty nice. Honestly though, it's a lot faster and more streamlined than 7. Runs better than 7 on my old Athlon II X2 laptop, for instance. There's still a lot of shit that bothers me with it, though, the small fact that you have literally 0 control of the updates if you're using a 'Home' license, for example

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49541717]well if they're so good at the support of windows 10 they better fix the kernel security crashes w/ the latest update between photoshop/illustrator/premiere pro and my gpu. the amount of bugs I'm having this month is outstanding, and all my software and drivers are updated.[/QUOTE] And I thought I was the only one having these issues, it only happens 90% of the time whenever I open/run Premiere Pro. The 10% of the time it works, I do all of my shit then. Other Adobe software doesn't have an issue, it's only Premiere Pro. I've tried reinstalling Premiere Pro a million times by now. It's so bad that I started to use Avid Media Composer instead. Oh and gotta love it when Search is broken too [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hPHZqxs.gif[/IMG] This is on a new computer too, I've never had this many issues with Windows 10 until now.

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49541979]At this rate I just want to give up computers as a hobby entirely, buy a tablet for important shit like tax and banking, and start building model planes or some other boring shit. I don't want to switch to their botnet crap, but I guess that means I don't want to play new games anymore either.[/QUOTE] Bot net crap? What? Are we erally still on this 'they spy on us' and give you an opt out,[B] during installation.[/B] [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49543106]"I'm a luddite and proud of it."[/QUOTE] I like using an OS that's so filled with exploits that will never get written out via updates.

Personally I'll be sticking with 7 until I'll encounter some issues with it, because there's no reason for me to update. Everything works on Win7, I don't really like the new UI of Win8+, and I have yet to see or read about something convincing to push me to upgrade. Until then I'll save myself the hassle.

The only way that windows 10 will be pushed is if directx 12 truly delivers

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49541739]Maybe if it didn't cause the Ethernet to stop working on one of my old PCs, I wouldn't have a problem with 10. Oh, and if all my games ran fine.[/QUOTE] It's not Microsoft's fault EA put actual spyware in their games.

[QUOTE=damnatus;49543159]No seriously, what are the benefits of 10 over 7?[/QUOTE] Speed, virtual desktops, DirectX 12 if you care about that, and a bunch of other minor quality of life improvements (better high DPI scaling, better file copy dialog, better task manager, better start menu, etc.) I could ask you the same thing, what are the benefits of staying on 7 if you can get 10 for free? There are no downsides to it if you're on relatively modern hardware.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49542145] Erm, so people should be forced to deal with their favorite/important programs not being compatible in the hope that the developers will eventually notice their plight and update the software to be compatible? It's the next major version of Windows, not some random operating system no one has heard of, even if it wasn't being pushed by Microsoft like their lives depended on forcing everyone to use Windows 10, the number of people using it would likely be higher than every non-windows (desktop) OS, which is a plenty large market share to commit resources to making the software compatible.[/QUOTE] I don't really think this works, many of those companies have just flat out gone out of business or don't care anymore (Though, most of my problems have to do with games). There's a reason microsoft has had to make tons of drivers themselves over the years, it's because companies just died off or refuse to update things. GOG occasionally saves the day, but not always. [QUOTE=Thunderbolt;49543348]Speed, virtual desktops, DirectX 12 if you care about that, and a bunch of other minor quality of life improvements (better high DPI scaling, better file copy dialog, better task manager, better start menu, etc.) I could ask you the same thing, what are the benefits of staying on 7 if you can get 10 for free? There are no downsides to it if you're on relatively modern hardware.[/QUOTE] Customization. With 10, you do things the way microsoft lets you do it, IIRC, they patched methods of applying third party themes, and they do bullshit like resetting your settings and default programs. Microsoft's assumptions that everyone has unmetered internet (unless you've got extra cash for the pro version :smug:). No patch notes so you know what an update is doing, just transparency in general.

My brain will not support W10

[QUOTE=HarryHy;49542202]Seems pretty clickbait if I understand it right. To me, it seems like Microsoft is saying they won't support newer processor extensions in anything less than Windows 10, which is their right and isn't monetarily worth the effort. They also probably won't provide much official support for companies running older versions of Windows on newer hardware, but the newer processors would still work on older versions (albeit not as optimal as they would on Windows 10). I dislike the whole push onto Windows 10, but I honestly don't see anything "evil" about what they are doing in regards to not backporting newer processor extensions onto their older maintenance-only operating systems.[/QUOTE] I'm glad I found the voice of reason. All this saying is that older versions will not have the optimisation's for newer processor jnstructions. Which checks out, because Windows 7 is no longer in mainstream support and really there is no reason to stay on 8 anymore. Newer processors will still work with older OS's, just that they won't be as efficient as if they were on 10. It's not some conspiracy. Your moving into the reality of supporting an older OS.

I'm going to be sticking to 7 until my next big PC upgrade because Windows 10 was a disaster on my PC. Start Menu wouldn't open, my resolution was forced very low, the built-in network app wouldn't connect to my Wi-Fi (had to use a 3rd party Wireless Utility) and it BSOD'd only a few minutes after the desktop loaded when I used the upgrade function and I'm not formatting my PC when I haven't had my current build for a year. I didn't have any program forcibly uninstalled AFAIlK, but I couldn't do much since it would BSOD.

[QUOTE=V12US;49542357]If it aint broken, don't try to fix it.[/QUOTE] Because fuck progress?

This is why I hate MS. I'll never use Windows 10 in my life, I'll stick to 7 until I can switch full-time to Linux. (Also, would it be possible that Intel/AMD could dispute this?)

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49543460]This is why I hate MS. I'll never use Windows 10 in my life, I'll stick to 7 until I can switch full-time to Linux. (Also, would it be possible that Intel/AMD could dispute this?)[/QUOTE] I too make irrational decisions to avoid superior operating systems and stick with one that's 7 years old for no justifiable reason.

It is perfectly alright to stick to any operating system you want and works for you. Just, don't be that guy in 20 years that is still on Windows 7 because you think Microsoft is going to spy on you though your webcam and look for what porn you have saved if you upgrade.