Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49543460]This is why I hate MS. I'll never use Windows 10 in my life, I'll stick to 7 until I can switch full-time to Linux. (Also, would it be possible that Intel/AMD could dispute this?)[/QUOTE] Unless you can ditch the last programs you use that will cling on to Windows you will never fully ditch Windows.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49543466]I too make irrational decisions to avoid superior operating systems and stick with one that's 7 years old for no justifiable reason.[/QUOTE] How is Windows 10 superior? The interface is a terrible mobile monstrosity vomited up by MS, W10's record on privacy/freedom is very poor, there are compatibility headaches (rare, but still a problem), it runs terribly on old hardware. The only advantage I could see is MS supporting it for longer. Newer does not always equal better.

Windows 10 scaling is better but still pretty shit. So don't bother with 4K unless you have a big enough display to use it at 100 percent scaling. Different resolution displays is a bad idea BTW.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49543460]This is why I hate MS. I'll never use Windows 10 in my life, I'll stick to 7 until I can switch full-time to Linux. (Also, would it be possible that Intel/AMD could dispute this?)[/QUOTE] No, because Microsoft is the one that actually puts in newer processor optimizations for the OS. Intel/AMD have no say in how MS optimizes their proprietary OS to their processors. 8.1 is a little debatable, since its still in mainstream support, but for the 7 it is definitely within their right. 7 mainstream support ended a few months ago, they have no obligation to update it any further aside for critical stability and security issues. Which by the way, has been Microsoft's policy for well over a decade.

ugh i do not want to upgrade i'm on 8.1 rn and i have lots of old software that may not really work on windows 10 stop forcing us onto win10, asshats

[QUOTE=dustyjo;49542423]imagine your computer getting bricked every time you try to upgrade[/QUOTE] If you got bricked from a Windows 10 update that was almost certainly entirely your fault fucking around with things you had no idea what they were. That would require BIOS-level fuckery, something Windows has nothing to do with. [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] I'm torn on this whole issue. On one hand, I do like Windows 10, I think the tracking concerns are overblown especially if you're using stuff like Anti-Beacon, and that for the average user it really is the better OS. On the other I think that Windows 7's end-of-life is 2020 and Microsoft has no business forcing users out of using software that will still be supported for 4 years. If they did this then at the end-of-life I think it would have been a lot better received. It's almost as if Microsoft is trying to weasel its way out of keeping its LTS promises and I don't like the message that sends.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49543519]If you got bricked from a Windows 10 update that was almost certainly entirely your fault fucking around with things you had no idea what they were. That would require BIOS-level fuckery, something Windows has nothing to do with.[/QUOTE] used the wrong word there, didn't actually mean "completely useless" Whenever I install windows 10 on this machine it takes 12+ hours and then when it FINALLY finishes and reboots I lose all input completely. Can't do anything other than restore from backup at that point. I refuse to do a clean reinstall because that is so much fucking trouble that it's not even worth it.

[QUOTE=SpaceDude;49541904]Yeah man, they're dropping support for most likely the most used version of Windows that is also the best to run every types of games without compatibility issues, those literal fucking nazis!!!![/QUOTE] Windows 10 user here. I have a lot of games. Never had [B]one[/B] issue.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49543559]Windows 10 user here. I have a lot of games. Never had [B]one[/B] issue.[/QUOTE] Same. I don't wanna be that "Works on my machine!" guy, but I would like a list of games that don't work on Windows 10, and then I would like to cross-reference that list with games that don't work on Windows 7.

Yeah, I'm really curious about what games those are.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49543592]Yeah, I'm really curious about what games those are.[/QUOTE] The only games I know that are guaranteed to have issues are ones that use DirectDraw, which hardware support has been dropped since Windows 8. They will run, but will have performance issues. For example, Abe's Oddyssey. That being said, most DirectDraw games are going to be 15+ years old, going on 20. And there are workarounds and those games are usually easy enough to run that a VM is feasible.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49543559]Windows 10 user here. I have a lot of games. Never had [B]one[/B] issue.[/QUOTE] On the one PC I've tried with Windows 10, I've had games constantly minimize like Call Of Duty: World at War. IDK if it was caused because that PC was was upgraded from 7. Might not be a W10 problem specifically because I've seen reports of it happening with 7 and 8.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49543943]On the one PC I've tried with Windows 10, I've had many games constantly minimize like Call Of Duty: World at War. IDK if it was caused because that PC was was upgraded from 7. Might not be a W10 problem specifically because I've seen reports of it happening with 7 and 8.[/QUOTE] Did these games minimize at the same time everyday or every hour that it happened? I had the same issue in 7 and 8.1 before I got fed up with it. Turns out that my printer was automatically searching for updates to its drivers at 51 past the hour, every hour.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49543956]Did these games minimize at the same time everyday or every hour that it happened? I had the same issue in 7 and 8.1 before I got fed up with it. Turns out that my printer was automatically searching for updates to its drivers at 51 past the hour, every hour.[/QUOTE] It was every time I launched the games. They'd go full screen, then minimize. I could still hear the audio, but clicking the icon would cause it to just minimize again.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49543970]It was every time I launched the games. They'd go full screen, then minimize. I could still hear the audio, but clicking the icon would cause it to just minimize again.[/QUOTE] Odd, haven't had that issue myself (with WaW or any other game)

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49543970]It was every time I launched the games. They'd go full screen, then minimize. I could still hear the audio, but clicking the icon would cause it to just minimize again.[/QUOTE] Do you happen to have a multimonitor setup? I've had a similar issue on Windows 10. I'd always assumed it was just because I have three monitors.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;49544051]Do you happen to have a multimonitor setup? I've had a similar issue on Windows 10. I'd always assumed it was just because I have three monitors.[/QUOTE] It was just one.

With windows 10, the graphic drivers are somewhat borked on my T420 laptop. For instance, OpenBroadcasterSoftware lists 3 NVS 4200 videocards to be selected, each of them work differently but they all produce borked output. GZDoom 2.1 svn build crashes on start, Xash3D crashes halfway through game, switching graphics through the nvidia control panel or changing compatbility modes, fucking with drivers didn't help. You may call me a niche, but if a somewhat new codebase stops working properly then they fucked with the api which means a lot more software are affected more or less [I]at least in a subtle way[/I]. There's also a problem with Trackpoint and wireless mouse not being affected by changing settings in control panel. I'll see it after the next update, but right now I am staying with what works best.

[QUOTE=ichiman94;49544087]GZDoom 2.1 svn build crashes on start[/QUOTE] I haven't tried GZDoom but Zandronum for me is capped at 1366x768 resolution for some reason on a 2560x1440 monitor. No idea why it's stuck like that.

$5 says your i7-8700k 4 years from now will work just fine under older versions of windows, it just won't utilize whatever new extensions intel came up with that will inevitably take years to even matter

and i just got another lga 1155 mobo so i could keep my 2500k whoops

[QUOTE=ProfHappycat7;49543516]ugh i do not want to upgrade i'm on 8.1 rn and i have lots of old software that may not really work on windows 10 stop forcing us onto win10, asshats[/QUOTE] Excuse me? You have a lot of old software but your on 8.1, and you forget that 10 is literally pretty much a little update from 8.1 I don't get it

Next year 7 will be in the same spot as XP was when 7 released. Gonna be fun seeing the repeats of all the same arguments with paranoia tracked on for an 8 year old OS

imagine if more people switched to windows 10 and stopped believing the lies being spread about it, the compatibility would improve! Imagine that! Imagine if people used windows feedback and microsoft support to help improve windows 10, they wouldn't have the issues they were having, but no if you have an issue better revert and avoid trying to have it fixed for others!

OS age doesn't bother me at all, as long as it keeps doing the stuff I want to do. Until Microsoft starts pulling heavier swings like discontinuing Direct X support even when the OS could still handle it, or if we see hardware I can afford next build incompatible with 7, then I might consider it. But more likely, I'll get Linux and do some sort of multi-boot/emulator when I actually need the games, and fuck off with Microsoft all together. Windows 7 is still handling a lot of older games that I really suspected it wouldn't. Anything that breeches the gap of too old has worked for me on DosBox (even if I had to emulate Windows 3.0 one time for a game.) All the whining about lost support and weird bugs give me no reason to switch over, and that says nothing about the back and forth I hear about it spying on all your shit without legitimate reason. "But you can turn it off!!" - it shouldn't even be a thing in the first place. Or there's the tidbit where Windows Update absolutely refused to fuck off about telling me to upgrade on four different PCs in this house, two of which likely couldn't handle 10 that well (cheap laptops.) The only reason anyone's given me to upgrade to 10 so far is that: It's free, and it's now being supported. It offers me literally nothing else over what I currently have, and has a host of other things I have to adapt to, turn off, or otherwise mess with. That was different back when I was a hold-out on a shitty PC and people were telling me Vista was the hot new shit. When 7 finally came around and I got to try it, I moved on - not so much because the OS was "wow that much better", but because it had features I needed and at that point XP offered nothing over it. I don't get why a relatively new OS already has such a hard divide of "fuck it spyware bloat trash" and "you're literally a retard luddite caveman if you don't switch."

Hey guys, if everyone starts liking this thing they don't like, they'll like it! It's their fault for not liking it, that's why they don't like it!

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49544615]imagine if more people switched to windows 10 and stopped believing the lies being spread about it, the compatibility would improve! Imagine that! Imagine if people used windows feedback and microsoft support to help improve windows 10, they wouldn't have the issues they were having, but no if you have an issue better revert and avoid trying to have it fixed for others![/QUOTE] Also, the OS isn't even a year old yet. Its not flawless, and has its issues. That's why we aren't deploying it in our workplace yet. However, it will get smoother as time goes on. XP was really rough back when it first came out, which everyone seems to forget. Even 7 had a couple rough patches and issues. Year or so later, it was pretty rock solid.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49544708]Hey guys, if everyone starts liking this thing they don't like, they'll like it! It's their fault for not liking it, that's why they don't like it![/QUOTE] i get not liking something but if you don't like it for bullshit reasons (see: it spying on all of your documents), then you have no reason to not like it [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Demache;49544719]Also, the OS isn't even a year old yet. Its not flawless, and has its issues. That's why we aren't deploying it in our workplace yet. However, it will get smoother as time goes on. XP was really rough back when it first came out, which everyone seems to forget. Even 7 had a couple rough patches and issues. Year or so later, it was pretty rock solid.[/QUOTE] This is the literally only reason I can see people not to deploy it: enterprise deployment requires the os to be nearly completely flawless. It could use better group policy management and whatnot too.

[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;49543348]Speed, virtual desktops, DirectX 12 if you care about that, and a bunch of other minor quality of life improvements (better high DPI scaling, better file copy dialog, better task manager, better start menu, etc.)[/quote] I don't want any of that from the sound of it (I don't think it will be 2x faster than 7 for example). Like I could use a better task manager, but I rarely use it so I am fine with current one [quote] I could ask you the same thing, what are the benefits of staying on 7 if you can get 10 for free? There are no downsides to it if you're on relatively modern hardware.[/QUOTE] The biggest reason is that I am afraid that whatever software I use or will use in the future will be incompatible with it. I've also heard lots of people going "I couldn't even install it because drivers and stuff"

Most things ARE compatible, its just at fault at the driver developers rushing out windows 10 drivers. And trust me, it is about 2x faster from win7