Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10

[Demache]

[QUOTE=Giraffen93;49545902]

i want to see all the error codes and debug info[/QUOTE]

That's what Event Viewer is for. Its extremely verbose. In fact, all the underlying system utilities have not changed. Most of it is still the same as XP.

Ironically, its a much more accessible power user OS. Using 7 at work feel gimpy as hell because you have to do everything the most roundabout way possible.

[JohnFisher89]

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49546431]"<bad thing> isn't bad, it's always been that way!"
Apart from that, I can control what information I give those applications. I can't control what information I give my operating system.[/QUOTE]

You probably can with a simple routing rule at your router just wireshark your network and find out what traffic is actually passing through

[Nutcake]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49545894]Until you need to install flash...or run a specific java version...or type a MS office doc for work... or cisco vpn... or need properly working ACPI controls... WLAN drivers that work properly on new HW... etc

I can tell you that no Linux is not objectively better at everything aside from gaming, if it were then people would just dual boot; which is a complete 100% free option that you can do! However, no one does it because the small shit that 90% of users don't think about just being a simple click or already done is a manual/requires setup thing on linux.[/QUOTE]

To be fair though, there have been big improvements in user friendliness for Linux in recent years. Distros like Ubuntu or Mint are very easy to use, even for non power-users. You never even have to see a terminal if you don't want to.

I have switched to Arch as my main OS a few weeks back, and I'm loving it, though I still have Windows installed to dual boot when I wanna play videa. I am thinking about setting up a VM with a PCIe pass-through, but I would need a second GPU for that.

[dark-vivec]

I get stuttering from my audio driver (no windows 10 driver update yet, motherboard is asrock z77 extreme 4)

Certain game I want to play doesn't run but this is a fringe case, a free gamemaker game that the dev won't patch anymore.

I liked windows 10 when I used it, was disappointed going back.

[Demache]

[QUOTE=dark-vivec;49546508]I get stuttering from my audio driver (no windows 10 driver update yet, motherboard is asrock z77 extreme 4)

Certain game I want to play doesn't run but this is a fringe case, a free gamemaker game that the dev won't patch anymore.

I liked windows 10 when I used it, was disappointed going back.[/QUOTE]

Audio drivers seems to be the most common driver issues I've noticed from people. I got lucky that VIA released Windows 10 ones before the official release and they still work great.

[apierce1289]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546409]so you're using a subsidized version of the os(which i don't even think windows 10 has) and want no ads[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'd pay for a full version with no ad's. Every time I search something with the Bing bar it wants me to join Bing rewards. Fuck off Bing!!

[Map in a box]

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49546431]"<bad thing> isn't bad, it's always been that way!"
Apart from that, I can control what information I give those applications. I can't control what information I give my operating system.[/QUOTE]

no you can't for most of those
and yes you can control whats sent to MS
stop propagating lies

[Alice]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49546362]I hope you don't

use any google funded browser Chrome or firefox, or privately funded browser outside opera
use any hosted mail source yahoo, gmail, live, etc
use any search engine aside from shit ones like DDG which still is questionable
use any credit card ever
sign up for any special offers anywhere for anything such as free appitizers at a resturant or store value card

Data mining has been going on for before most of FP was born, if you are honestly just now concerned about it then you are about 60 years late[/QUOTE]
Comparing Firefox to other stuff like that is really retarded. Not only can you disable all Firefox tracking stuff but the most intrusive stuff is disabled by default unless you're on the nightly line [I]plus[/I] on top of that you can go and check exactly what data Firefox sends as well.

about:healthreport
about:telemetry
about:crashes

Those three pages will tell you exactly what data Firefox is collecting. So you can go in and see if it's data you are fine with being sent to their serves. And if it's not then you can easily disable the option with zero hassle and without it ever getting set back to enabled without your permission.

As far as I'm aware this is not something that you have any choice in with something like Chrome. You have options for a lot of it in Windows 10 but they're not straight forward in some cases nor are they actually clear on exactly what data is being sent. Plus there have been issues with multiple updates reactivating this stuff to top things off.

[timothy80]

[QUOTE=MIPS;49542009]Play with old computers. You will be amazed what vendors back then let you do with the hardware/software and how sane interfaces could be built on limited and expensive resources.[/QUOTE]

this is coming from the guy who posed naked with an old computer :dog:

regardless of how you were, I..kinda recommend this as well. The most fun I have is screwing around with older hardware.

[Shovel Mech]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546565]no you can't for most of those
and yes you can control whats sent to MS
stop propagating lies[/QUOTE]

Yes I can. If I don't search for, say, "hardcore zombie bondage" Google won't know that I'm interested in such.
But if I store photos of hardcore zombie bondage on my desktop Windows will know. Ultimately, everything runs on top of Windows - I can't escape my OS.
Secondly, no, you can't. You can [I]minimize[/I] what's sent to MS but you can't cut them out entirely. Even if it's not being sent to MS, it's still most likely stored locally so anyone with a little technical knowledge can know all about my zombie fetish.

[Alice]

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49546710]You can [I]minimize[/I] what's sent to MS but you can't cut them out entirely.[/QUOTE]
Someone linked an article in a similar thread awhile back that suggested Windows 10 may even ignore stuff like your hosts file and software that would block it when sending data back to Microsoft.

Edit: I can't seem to find the article I was thinking of but in the process of looking for it I did find [url=https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases]this[/url] which people worried about Win10's tracking might be interested in having a look at.

[Map in a box]

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49546710]Yes I can. If I don't search for, say, "hardcore zombie bondage" Google won't know that I'm interested in such.
But if I store photos of hardcore zombie bondage on my desktop Windows will know. Ultimately, everything runs on top of Windows - I can't escape my OS.
Secondly, no, you can't. You can [I]minimize[/I] what's sent to MS but you can't cut them out entirely. Even if it's not being sent to MS, it's still most likely stored locally so anyone with a little technical knowledge can know all about my zombie fetish.[/QUOTE]

yes it will
and yes windows will know but microsoft won't
yes your browser stores your history
if you disable all telemetry the only thing that windows sends back would be fatal errors that they need to know about.
I promise you your distro does the same kind of telemetry.
please stop bringing up things without factchecking

[Awaken90125]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]yes it will
and yes windows will know but microsoft won't
yes your browser stores your history
if you disable all telemetry the only thing that windows sends back would be fatal errors that they need to know about.
I promise you your distro does the same kind of telemetry.
please stop bringing up things without factchecking[/QUOTE]

Ha-ha man you are fucking delusional if you think that microshit doesn't want to know everything you do

/s

[Phygon]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49546362]I hope you don't

use any google funded browser Chrome or firefox, or privately funded browser outside opera
use any hosted mail source yahoo, gmail, live, etc
use any search engine aside from shit ones like DDG which still is questionable
use any credit card ever
sign up for any special offers anywhere for anything such as free appitizers at a resturant or store value card

Data mining has been going on for before most of FP was born, if you are honestly just now concerned about it then you are about 60 years late[/QUOTE]

"This thing is bad and you use it so you can't complain about other bad things"
Also, I use a VPN for everything on my main machine and don't maintain a google account.

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49546165]Windows 8 keys work fine, win 7 do not[/QUOTE]

Yes they do. My friend did a clean install without an upgrade with a Win 7 OEM key.

Pretty sure this thread has set a new record for misinformation.

[Demache]

[QUOTE=helifreak;49547511]Yes they do. My friend did a clean install without an upgrade with a Win 7 OEM key.

Pretty sure this thread has set a new record for misinformation.[/QUOTE]

Windows 10 threads are like FUD whirlwinds.

[Shovel Mech]

"I don't like Windows 10, here are my reasons why"
"OMG why are you lying??? anyone who disagrees with me is spreading misinformation so don't listen to them!"

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]yes it will[/QUOTE]No it won't. Google literally will not know anything about you if you don't use it. Period. Don't search up zombie bondage porn? Google won't know you're into that. A stupid point to begin with because just because Google does it doesn't mean it's okay when Microsoft does it.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]and yes windows will know but microsoft won't[/QUOTE]Yeah, that we know of, but given the amount of ridiculous shit that's happened with Microsoft would it really be a surprise that there's a cache of often-used/opened files that the OS watches? You know, to ~improve your Windows experience~ and other such bullshit. No there isn't some conspiracy to collect your secret, secret filenames but the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all these nifty little features that Microsoft is always reluctant to talk about are major fucking talking points every time. It's like asking a toddler if they shit their pants, they look like they've seen a ghost and then mumble "no... maybe..." Yeah, if they didn't want XP holdouts [I]that is not the way to inspire confidence in their OS.[/I]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]yes your browser stores your history[/QUOTE]... Except you can disable this in-browser and also outside of the browser and even find out exactly what's being saved because the browser doesn't even try to hide that information? On the contrary it actively makes it available because [I]that's what the saved history is there for.[/I]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]if you disable all telemetry the only thing that windows sends back would be fatal errors that they need to know about.[/QUOTE]So your extremely limited internet service that has a data cap can be used up? You know, for when those times Windows wants to dump hundreds of megabytes of data (this happened to me!) even though it was told not to do this. Internet access isn't free.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49546840]I promise you your distro does the same kind of telemetry.
please stop bringing up things without factchecking[/QUOTE]Big fucking [citation needed] on that shit. I mean I could be wrong, I've never physically seen it but something is making me doubt such a ridiculous claim considering the hoopla that came out of Ubuntu's telemetry shit. This would imply that it's a new (and unwanted) behavior for a linux distro, and while I'm on that subject there's fucking plenty of users who use a totally open-source and community-driven distro so [B]how[/B] and who would receive the telemetry from that?

[editline]17th January 2016[/editline]

Oh and on linux you can absolutely disable [U]any[/U] data collection at the lowest possible level, so somebody could query using sar (which is a part of sysstat) and if your machine is like "yeah no, sorry" then nothing will happen. Given that it's all very, very open and easily (subjective, I know) manipulated compared to Microsoft's clunky bullshit I'm not even sure what the fuck is making you think that the two are remotely comparable.

[editline]17th January 2016[/editline]

Also this is assuming that a package like sysstat is even fucking on a distro, and even then it's almost always disabled. You need to go in and manually enable it, and after that you use sar or sadc to actually interact. (I think, it's been awhile)

[Map in a box]

Misinterpreted his first point.
There has been very little rediculous shit with microsoft other than what was spun into a sensationalist lie. There is no "cache of used/open files" that is sent to them. Its called recently used files, and its been on every Windows since XP.
Windows doesn't upload your browser history, contrary to what the guy claimed.
Most Linux distros upload telemetry to see what their users are using and to improve on said thing, because without that knowledge they spread out everywhere and get little done. I'm talking about user friendly distros, not the commandline ones(which still have telemetry on packages)
If you have such a shit internet cap, don't blame Windows. Set the connection as metered and it'll limit what it can. You can disable all data colection at the ~LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL~ on Windows as well using a firewall.

You guys act like Windows is breaking your privacy more than going out in public would. Shop at Target in store? Sorry to break it to you, but they collect data on what you shop for.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548385]There has been very little rediculous shit with microsoft other than what was spun into a sensationalist lie. There is no "cache of used/open files" that is sent to them. Its called recently used files, and its been on every Windows since XP.[/QUOTE]Zero-day exploits are not supposed to be a thing but they happen. It's called a mistake. Benefit of an open-source platform is everyone knows about a potential mistake, yes nefarious people do too but it's much, much less of a complete clusterfuck because there isn't a PR firm desperately trying to hide shit. For reference: see Maxis and every claim made regarding Simcity 5
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548385]Most Linux distros upload telemetry to see what their users are using and to improve on said thing, because without that knowledge they spread out everywhere and get little done. I'm talking about user friendly distros, not the commandline ones(which still have telemetry on packages)[/QUOTE]Oh you mean the [I]opt-in[/I] shit rather than the [I]opt-out[/I] that Microsoft has? Glad you mentioned that, because that's precisely what's pissing people off [I]especially[/I] if software errors in the OS are reversing the user's decision to opt-out.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548385]If you have such a shit internet cap, don't blame Windows. Set the connection as metered and it'll limit what it can. You can disable all data colection at the ~LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL~ on Windows as well using a firewall.[/QUOTE]What fucking part of "NO" don't you understand? When I say no, I mean fucking [B]NO.[/B] I shouldn't have to fuck around with host files, disable several services on startup, and fucking babysit my outgoing data. I have shit to do, monitoring my OS should not even be on that very lengthy list.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548385]You guys act like Windows is breaking your privacy more than going out in public would. Shop at Target in store? Sorry to break it to you, but they collect data on what you shop for.[/QUOTE]hahaha what

how

[Map in a box]

What do 0-day exploits have to do with anything? Being open source or not does not increase or decrease the chance of finding said exploits history has shown.

You mentioned yourself that you have to go behind the scenes with Linux. So that was a reply to that. You shouldn't opt out of important telemetry because its just that: important. It doesn't upload private information, its just issues concerning the OS.
hilarious story: [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/#2715e4857a0b4b0572a134c6[/url]

[JumpinJackFlash]

Like even if I didn't use cash every time, I'd still be using my debit card that comes out of my credit union account. Target has no access to that data, no store does, I have no account or repertoire with Target aside from some anonymous entity who contributed a nondescript amount of money during a certain day.

Unless you're talking about Target paying attention to what items sell the most in certain locations or with certain frequency, and if you are that has absolutely nothing in common with OS data telemetry other than "it's something we pay attention to from time to time."

[dustyjo]

I would switch to 10 in a heartbeat if they would come up with an upgrade system that didn't absolutely fuck everything up.

[Map in a box]

OS telemetry is combined and sorted into groups, just like store telemetry is.

[editline]17th January 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=dustyjo;49548428]I would switch to 10 in a heartbeat if they would come up with an upgrade system that didn't absolutely fuck everything up.[/QUOTE]

This is one of my complaints with w10 as well, the upgrade system is pretty terrible.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548421]What do 0-day exploits have to do with anything?[/QUOTE]I said pretty clearly. It's a mistake. Some hidden feature in the OS (not necessarily what files are used and when) could be used for a nefarious purpose. Shit happens.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548421]Being open source or not does not increase or decrease the chance of finding said exploits history has shown.[/QUOTE]Again, there's a lot less suspicion and ire leveled at open-source developers because they're not perceived as "hiding" things or fucking over users for purely financial reasons.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548421]You mentioned yourself that you have to go behind the scenes with Linux. So that was a reply to that.[/QUOTE]It's still within the OS. Not my firewall, not my router, not anywhere else, it's within the goddamn OS and the OS does what I tell it to do. That's the point.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548421]You shouldn't opt out of important telemetry because its just that: important. It doesn't upload private information, its just issues concerning the OS.[/QUOTE]So you say. What if I want to though? It's my computer, it's my decision.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49548421]hilarious story: [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/#2715e4857a0b4b0572a134c6[/url][/QUOTE]Ah yes, credit card fuckery. Still:[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49548424]absolutely nothing in common with OS data telemetry other than "it's something we pay attention to from time to time."[/QUOTE]
An entirely opt-in program by the way, if I don't choose to let Target track my data I am just another anonymous purchaser buying things, as far as they're concerned my existence ceases the moment I walk out because I, along with the data I bring, am not a persistent entity.

[editline]17th January 2016[/editline]

And again, it really doesn't have anything to do with what [I]Microsoft[/I] is doing. Just because somebody else might be doing something wrong doesn't mean this is okay or not okay. At all.

[benbb]

[QUOTE=dustyjo;49548428]I would switch to 10 in a heartbeat if they would come up with an upgrade system that didn't absolutely fuck everything up.[/QUOTE]

Never had a problem with it myself, even after running through multiple insider builds.

[64fanatic]

Windows 10 is a naggy cunt, but like any Windows OS you can beat it into submission. I've forced windows update to a manual mode that only notifies me there are updates and I get to choose if I download and install them (not hard on Pro). I've used a program to disable any potential spying software (disablewintracking.exe), blocked shit in the hosts file. I killed Cortana. I got rid of the nagging bullshit software like OneDrive.

Its a pain in the ass, but I'm good to go for however long Windows 10 lasts. Nothing isn't fixable or hackable.

[Flumbooze]

[QUOTE=64fanatic;49549041]Windows 10 is a naggy cunt, but like any Windows OS you can beat it into submission. I've forced windows update to a manual mode that only notifies me there are updates and I get to choose if I download and install them (not hard on Pro). I've used a program to disable any potential spying software (disablewintracking.exe), blocked shit in the hosts file. I killed Cortana. I got rid of the nagging bullshit software like OneDrive.

Its a pain in the ass, but I'm good to go for however long Windows 10 lasts. Nothing isn't fixable or hackable.[/QUOTE]

That's a lot of effort just to not install Windows 10.

[Phygon]

The bottom line is:
No matter how basic the data is, you should be able to turn it off. And you can't. Not fully, at least, and when you try to downgrade it it re-upgrades itself. I really like windows, but to be frank, I'd never trust it with my security; especially seeing as it's all but confirmed that the NSA has had backdoors in all versions of windows since 1999. I shouldn't have to worry about my OS itself giving up compromising data about me, regardless of how many other services do.

[turke]

[QUOTE=phygon;49545723]Linux, man
For everything but gaming it's objectively better[/QUOTE]

And all those windows only programs businesses use ectect