Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=phygon;49545723]Linux, man For everything but gaming it's objectively better[/QUOTE] As an absolute avid Linux user myself, and every piece of hardware in my house exclusively running some type of *nix or BSD based OS but one, this is false. [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] Every OS has its pros and cons. The only infallibly perfect OS on the planet is TempleOS but it has a divine right to be.

[QUOTE=phygon;49549475]The bottom line is: No matter how basic the data is, you should be able to turn it off. And you can't. Not fully, at least, and when you try to downgrade it it re-upgrades itself. I really like windows, but to be frank, I'd never trust it with my security; especially seeing as it's all but confirmed that the NSA has had backdoors in all versions of windows since 1999. I shouldn't have to worry about my OS itself giving up compromising data about me, regardless of how many other services do.[/QUOTE] honestly the NSA collects so much information that it even gets choked and overloaded by it, so the slim chance the government is reading into what you're doing is so fucking slim

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49549632]honestly the NSA collects so much information that it even gets choked and overloaded by it, so the slim chance the government is reading into what you're doing is so fucking slim[/QUOTE] I know. I just don't want a precident to be set now thatll just be accepted by the populace years from now

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49546431]"<bad thing> isn't bad, it's always been that way!" Apart from that, I can control what information I give those applications. I can't control what information I give my operating system.[/QUOTE] You can control as much as you can on other systems mentioned above. If anything, I found to be able to turn off more telemetric settings on W10 than on my smartphone. [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] tbh anyone who has problems with windows looking into your data should just piss off and marry their w7/w8 installs, but dont forget that Microsoft had already snuck in telemetric software onto them as well.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49549632]honestly the NSA collects so much information that it even gets choked and overloaded by it, so the slim chance the government is reading into what you're doing is so fucking slim[/QUOTE] These sorts of arguments completely miss the point. The point isn't that the user has something to hide or that no one is likely to see the information because there's so much in the first place. It's the principle of it all. The fact is that someone easily [I]could[/I] see that information and invade someone's privacy. And that's not okay. [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49550197]tbh anyone who has problems with windows looking into your data should just piss off and marry their w7/w8 installs, but dont forget that Microsoft had already snuck in telemetric software onto them as well.[/QUOTE] "Anyone who has privacy concerns should just piss off because I said so."

I bet Microsoft is collaborating with the government to get windows 10 onto as many computers as possible for maximum data mining potential to be reached

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;49541956]Depends on your workload, if you like programming and arent too bothered about missing games, install Fedora/Debian[/QUOTE] Off-topic, but why do people keep suggesting Debian over Mint or any version of Ubuntu except the default one (Kubuntu, Lubuntu etc.)? Fedora is a fantastic option, I'm not going to argue with you there, but why would you install Debian over what are basically Debian+extra features? I don't mean situations like enterprise workstations or any servers where stable Debian releases are great. I mean your average PC for gaming/programming/anything really.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49546563]Yeah I'd pay for a full version with no ad's. Every time I search something with the Bing bar it wants me to join Bing rewards. Fuck off Bing!![/QUOTE] I don't have any ads anywhere on my free Win10 upgrade. How do I enable them? [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-01/17T110927.png[/t][t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-01/17T110945.png[/t]

Also, great timing on my part I'm upgrading to 10 today after testing it in a VM and a dualboot setup until yesterday. Bear in mind that I mostly play old or not resource intensive games and my laptop is from 2011 and fully supported with no bugs at all. I totally understand why people wouldn't want to upgrade, except the people moaning about "botnets/spyware". You do realize that all you have to do to get rid of the telemetry and other things is [url=https://fix10.isleaked.com/]do this.[/url]

[QUOTE=WoodenSpoon;49550769]I bet Microsoft is collaborating with the government to get windows 10 onto as many computers as possible for maximum data mining potential to be reached[/QUOTE] Hey man I got some fucking great tin foil hats for sale, shit I'll even cut you a deal. 2 for the price of 3 because I'm just such a swell guy and I can't fight government tyranny if you aren't funding me y'know. It's somewhat known that MS are providing some data to organisations such as the NSA, but that data is somewhat hard to work out what it may be. It's likely metadata as that is usually the closest these organisations can come to spying on your shit without breaking various laws. And for MS to actually operate in other countries they need to abide by their laws as well (maintaining multiple code-bases per region is a fucking nightmare, they won't do that). But even if they are actively spying on you, moving to Windows 10 isn't what they need you to do to start that. They can roll out the required functionality to previous versions of Windows (as seen with the telemetry updates for 7/8/8.1. harmless as they are, it shows it's a viable thing to do). MS are more interested in getting people on 10 because it makes their lives significantly easier. The XP and 7 holdouts caused 7 and 8 (respectively) to cost a lot more in terms of operating costs as you need to train more support staff in more areas, provide stability and security patches for more permutations of the OS and pay up for the backend services needed by the older systems. [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=DeadKiller987;49550807]Off-topic, but why do people keep suggesting Debian over Mint or any version of Ubuntu except the default one (Kubuntu, Lubuntu etc.)? Fedora is a fantastic option, I'm not going to argue with you there, but why would you install Debian over what are basically Debian+extra features? I don't mean situations like enterprise workstations or any servers where stable Debian releases are great. I mean your average PC for gaming/programming/anything really.[/QUOTE] Fedora is okay, but being a fairly bleeding edge OS, it's not super great for say, your mother or grandfather to use. If a RPM updates to something a bit shitty, the OS isn't going to be much fun until that gets fixed. Debian derivatives are generally quite solid, proven platforms. Just use Mint or basically any *buntu if you're installing it for someone not super great at computers. And a lot of software is easier to find pre-packaged in Debian format, making life easier for the person using it.

[QUOTE=DeadKiller987;49550807]Off-topic, but why do people keep suggesting Debian over Mint or any version of Ubuntu except the default one (Kubuntu, Lubuntu etc.)? Fedora is a fantastic option, I'm not going to argue with you there, but why would you install Debian over what are basically Debian+extra features? I don't mean situations like enterprise workstations or any servers where stable Debian releases are great. I mean your average PC for gaming/programming/anything really.[/QUOTE] Because of all the bullshit Canonical is pulling.

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[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49548424]Like even if I didn't use cash every time, I'd still be using my debit card that comes out of my credit union account. Target has no access to that data, no store does, I have no account or repertoire with Target aside from some anonymous entity who contributed a nondescript amount of money during a certain day. Unless you're talking about Target paying attention to what items sell the most in certain locations or with certain frequency, and if you are that has absolutely nothing in common with OS data telemetry other than "it's something we pay attention to from time to time."[/QUOTE] If you don't think Target stores that debit card as a hashed card, connects it to an account that they can essentially call "you", you're wrong, this is exactly how they do it. They will link purchases on the same account to a person, they don't care who it is, they're linking histories together and calling it "You". The more you shop, the more they know. This is what LITERALLY every big box retailer does. This is what Amazon does. There isn't a shop that you go to that isn't Mom and Pop that [B]doesn't[/B] do something like this. They ALL have analytics on you. That's how they drive sales and know what they're doing is working or not.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49541728]why are they pushing windows 10 this much?[/QUOTE] Windows is no longer selling software to consumers; they're selling [I]a platform[/I]. Long ago, there was no standard in home computing. BASIC ROM was the closest thing but BASIC was unstandardized and varied from PC to PC. UNIX was seen as more of a business thing, and IBM needed something to put on its hardware. MS bought DOS from some dude in New Mexico and called it MS-DOS, and got a deal with IBM which said that MS-DOS was not exclusive to IBM. IBM thought "who gives a shit about an OS?" and said yes. In the 1990s, MS spent a lot of time and money edging out competition (Netscape, Apple, Sun Microsystems) so that Windows was THE platform for home computing. They engaged in some shady monopolistic business practices so that developers knew that if they wanted their software to sell, it was going to sell for Windows. Today, there is no growing market for an OS. Windows cannot take anymore ground from Apple than it already has, and the lay person doesn't know how to use Linux. Chromebooks are not a well-known alternative. But wait, what's this? Apple made a FUCKLOAD of money off of a closed, totally proprietary app store! We should do that! In fact, let's push out own development technology (C#, XAML, Visual Studio) so hard that we give it away for free! Also, let's make our apps cross-compatible with our tablets and phones, and the Xbox! Let's make Windows 10 one gigantic platform that encompasses all computational devices. Wait what? People like Windows 7 and Windows 8.1? They don't want to change? Well our appstore can't work if everyone is on a different platform; there might be compatibility issues with legacy software! It's okay, we'll do what Apple does with the iPhone 4 and refuse to support Windows 7 and 8.1 with newer processors. This way, when people want to buy software for a Windows PC, tablet, or phone, we are GUARANTEED to make a cut on it. --- Le fin --- MS has never intended to make money off of their software alone; in MS's view, the only way to make money in the computing world is to dominate the market; there can be no room for competition.

[QUOTE=Jojje;49541987]I would switch to Linux so I can have shit exactly as I want it but... video games. And Windows programs.[/QUOTE] I think there was an up to date Wine on linux that supported Dx11 games, but apparently its currently developed by a group where while you could use it, you'd have to pay, which also supports the guys developing it, I unno I haven't checked around with Linux for a while.

[QUOTE=Exploders;49552757]I think there was an up to date Wine on linux that supported Dx11 games, but apparently its currently developed by a group where while you could use it, you'd have to pay, which also supports the guys developing it, I unno I haven't checked around with Linux for a while.[/QUOTE] Steam has native linux support. there are a LOT of games that have native Linux support (all source games inclding garrysmod, as well as Rust!). Unity games generally have good linux support as well, as do a lot of indie games. the back catalogue is not well supported, but developing for windows-only is pretty old fashioned. The only devs who do it nowadays generally developed their games for xbox/ps4 and ported them to PC (japanese devs). there are a LOT of linux games on steam, just browse by "steamOS" on steam sometime to see the all the games there.

unity has shit linux support most AAA games are still backported to PC you're insane if you think Microsoft's stupid Windows is killing support for a several year old OS you don't know how much effort goes into supporting a new processor line.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49552781]Steam has native linux support. there are a LOT of games that have native Linux support (all source games inclding garrysmod, as well as Rust!). Unity games generally have good linux support as well, as do a lot of indie games. the back catalogue is not well supported, but developing for windows-only is pretty old fashioned. The only devs who do it nowadays generally developed their games for xbox/ps4 and ported them to PC (japanese devs). there are a LOT of linux games on steam, just browse by "steamOS" on steam sometime to see the all the games there.[/QUOTE] Aye, but half the games on my steam library aren't supported on Linux, especially some older goldies like the S.T.A.L.K.E.R series and the likes. while the other half was supported perfectly or with minimum bugs, (CSGO had some odd by a second delay when firing but Im not sure if it was Mint or my cheap chinese mouse) All and all yeah Linux does have some pretty good support nowadays than before, but certain developers just wont make it compatible with Linux or can't because they've disbanded ages ago.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49552799]unity has shit linux support most AAA games are still backported to PC you're insane if you think Microsoft's stupid Windows is killing support for a several year old OS you don't know how much effort goes into supporting a new processor line.[/QUOTE] Really? I've never had any problems with any Unity games on linux, but I admittedly don't play a lot of videogames anymore.

Its not an issue if you have a burly computer, but it is pretty poor support.

I'm just glad Steam is pushing Linux so hard. Hopefuly some day Windows won't be necesarry at all, and people won't say "I'd like to use linux, but videogames" Those people could, of course, just dual boot

[QUOTE=Satane;49553758]windows 10 is still pretty shit. Windows is always shit for the first year or so.(not entirely ms's fault, gotta wait for drivers and shit) Never liked any of the metro crap they're trying to push so hard tho.[/QUOTE] I havent had an issue with it since like... August when I was in the insider program. Not to mention I've never once experienced the Metro screen on my desktop or laptop.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49552656]If you don't think Target stores that debit card as a hashed card, connects it to an account that they can essentially call "you", you're wrong, this is exactly how they do it. They will link purchases on the same account to a person, they don't care who it is, they're linking histories together and calling it "You". The more you shop, the more they know. This is what LITERALLY every big box retailer does. This is what Amazon does. There isn't a shop that you go to that isn't Mom and Pop that [B]doesn't[/B] do something like this. They ALL have analytics on you. That's how they drive sales and know what they're doing is working or not.[/QUOTE]I get that, but unless I specifically opt-in for getting mailed promotional items or have some store-specific card that gets me discounts, they won't know who I am and I'll be just some anonymous thing that shows up once in awhile. It's still [I]opt-in[/I] though which is the point, I can control my participation but beyond that I'm just sales statistics which has been an analytical tool that businesses have been using probably since the beginning of mercantilism. That really doesn't equate to what Microsoft has, is, or could possibly do because the situations are not the same. If you were to compare them Target (or some other store) would have some special little device that tracks my every movement and sends that telemetry so they can try to tailor my shopping experience to me. For many people, myself included, this is alarming and extremely uncomfortable to even think about. When we do actually force a comparison between these two unrelated things it makes the data gathering of Windows seem even more nefarious. On a deep and personal level it just feels [I]wrong[/I] which is why people are getting upset over it. Though let's be honest here, even if Microsoft could go "yeah, okay, fine, this is precisely what data we gather, here's why, we're sorry for this whole hullabaloo" there would still be people crying from the rooftops about how Microsoft is selling all their dirty secrets to the illuminati. What the problem is with the "pro-Microsoft side" is they think [U]everyone[/U] is like that, and the fact that some stubborn holdouts would remain is tantamount to proof for them that anyone who doesn't want to suck the Windows 10 cock is a retarded luddite. So when you have valid concerns like "the OS doesn't work!" they say shit like "HAHA WOW LIKE I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LMAO DUMBASS" Yeah, I think on that point alone stubbornly refusing to upgrade just to piss off shitheads like that is well worth it, considering there isn't any pressing [U]need[/U] to upgrade right now anyway.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49552656]If you don't think Target stores that debit card as a hashed card, connects it to an account that they can essentially call "you", you're wrong, this is exactly how they do it. They will link purchases on the same account to a person, they don't care who it is, they're linking histories together and calling it "You". The more you shop, the more they know. This is what LITERALLY every big box retailer does. This is what Amazon does. There isn't a shop that you go to that isn't Mom and Pop that [B]doesn't[/B] do something like this. They ALL have analytics on you. That's how they drive sales and know what they're doing is working or not.[/QUOTE] Yeah but a hash isn't exactly a person. It's just a fingerprint. They don't know who owns the fingerprint. The only data they have is that a card with a certain hash has made purchases X Y and Z... and since hashes are non-reversible, that can't really be linked back to you.

Yeah but that's the way the worlds going. No matter how uncomfortable that makes me, that's what's going to happen across all fields and unless you can really muster up enough support to make all the major companies across all industries stop, they won't.

[QUOTE=phygon;49554231]Yeah but a hash isn't exactly a person. It's just a fingerprint. They don't know who owns the fingerprint. The only data they have is that a card with a certain hash has made purchases X Y and Z... and since hashes are non-reversible, that can't really be linked back to you.[/QUOTE] You can build up pretty comprehensive profiles on your customers based on purchase histories and all that. "It's just a hash" doesn't really mean much because even small companies store a bit more than "just a hash" to expatiate future transactions. Even if the data is totally anonymous, with enough data points you can usually identify a specific person and their purchasing habits based on a number of factors. Time, date, purchases, card used, time spent shopping, flow through the site, etc.

Okay, so from what I understand, upgrading to windows 10 isn't a shit idea and before updating you can check if your computer/apps will be compatible- however... It has automatic updates enabled by default, and that cannot be turned off, right? If so, that's really the major thing that turns me off from updating. I won't get into too much detail, but simply put, the internet connection I have is shit (for multiple reasons), and I cannot afford to remedy that, so I'd rather try to make the most of the connection I do get, without it being hindered by waiting on downloads to actually download.

[QUOTE=BrandoJack;49554545]Okay, so from what I understand, upgrading to windows 10 isn't a shit idea and before updating you can check if your computer/apps will be compatible- however... It has automatic updates enabled by default, and that cannot be turned off, right? If so, that's really the major thing that turns me off from updating. I won't get into too much detail, but simply put, the internet connection I have is shit (for multiple reasons), and I cannot afford to remedy that, so I'd rather try to make the most of the connection I do get, without it being hindered by waiting on downloads to actually download.[/QUOTE] If you have a Pro version of Windows you can set it to security updates only, which are usually very small. Also if you primarily use wireless, you could mark it as a metered connection so it won't download without your permission.

The way that software works is that there is usually a correlation between a software's popularity and its stability. For example, I was installing a DLNA package trying to get a good network media library going for a Chromecast. I got fed up with debugging the obscure error messages and went to install Plex, of which you, the reader, have heard. The more popular a piece of software, the more likely its problems would be easily Googleable from forums and superuser.com. This principle usually works for me. But, there are counterexamples, like Windows 10! Windows 10 has so much market share. So many users, and yet it's somehow more buggy than the next OS on the top 10 list. I want to know how many manhours (and from there, US dollars) have been lost as a result of productivity loss stemming from Windows 10 and all its defects. Even as I speak, I'm moving a VM to a Linux host because VirtualBox is either crashing or breaking networking. And if you just think that's VBox's problem, I should tell you about all the permissions/elevation errors, or the fact that the [I]fucking calculator[/I] doesn't work without UAC. I could write down every problem I've had with Windows 10 and external applications' support of it, and I'd have >20 before a month. [I]If Microsoft wants everyone on their latest OS, they should actually develop it.[/I]

[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;49554742]The way that software works is that there is usually a correlation between a software's popularity and its stability. For example, I was installing a DLNA package trying to get a good network media library going for a Chromecast. I got fed up with debugging the obscure error messages and went to install Plex, of which you, the reader, have heard. The more popular a piece of software, the more likely its problems would be easily Googleable from forums and superuser.com. This principle usually works for me. But, there are counterexamples, like Windows 10! Windows 10 has so much market share. So many users, and yet it's somehow more buggy than the next OS on the top 10 list. I want to know how many manhours (and from there, US dollars) have been lost as a result of productivity loss stemming from Windows 10 and all its defects. Even as I speak, I'm moving a VM to a Linux host because VirtualBox is either crashing or breaking networking. And if you just think that's VBox's problem, I should tell you about all the permissions/elevation errors, or the fact that the [I]fucking calculator[/I] doesn't work without UAC. I could write down every problem I've had with Windows 10 and external applications' support of it, and I'd have >20 before a month. [I]If Microsoft wants everyone on their latest OS, they should actually develop it.[/I][/QUOTE] For what its worth, I ran about 10 VMs in Virtualbox testing inter VM routing with pfSense and Windows domains with zero issues. Virtualbox did have compatibility issues originally but that was patched back in September. So it isn't an inherent issue with either. Also, turning off UAC in 8 and 10 is begging for issues because it isn't a supported configuration. Microsoft does not do any testing with it disabled, so your on your own there.