Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49560690]source they've more or less implied they're not really doing a new windows every year[/QUOTE] They never did a yearly release. Typically there are 3 years between major releases. [QUOTE]They've already implied that Windows 10 is the last windows [/QUOTE] No it's not. Even if everything will just be called 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and so on it's still going to be new releases of Windows. The OS X release cycle comes to mind. [QUOTE] This is a dumb thing to say no matter how you look at it. You could use the same exact excuse for not upgrading to literally any version of Windows in the past or future. Windows 12 is in the making? Why should I shit a fuck about 11 Windows 13 is in the making? Why should I shit a fuck about 12 etcetera. [/QUOTE] It's not a dumb thing to say. He's saying "I don't like this version, so I'll wait for the next version and see if it's better" This is the same thing many people said about Windows Vista and 8.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49561956] It's not a dumb thing to say. He's saying "I don't like this version, so I'll wait for the next version and see if it's better" This is the same thing many people said about Windows Vista and 8.[/QUOTE] which is not only bad for the company, but for consumers as well because it splits the userbase into fragments that now all need to be helped. to everyone bitching about how x isn't supported or how y doesn't work as well, welcome to the rift that -you- created. instead of whining about problems while actively contributing to their cause, how's about to understand the concept of standardization and hop onboard. windows 10 enterprise is flatly an upgrade to any current version of windows you are running, this is nothing but the truth. you can hide in your darkly lit corner and go 'ungghh but muh botnet' or bitch about how your 20 year old games dont work on windows 10 (heres a secret, they do. just stop being lazy and do a bit of tweaking yourself) all you want, but at the end of the day you're doing nothing but causing more issues by fighting the flow of progress. microsoft are totally in the right for doing this (both mac and many forks of whatever your favorite open source os is also actively push for you to use the latest, best version of their os btw), the vocal minority of pc users that like to live a decade back software wise are nothing but an honest cancer to the entire ecosystem. now there's nothin wrong with USING an older OS, that's plenty fine, but complaining about shit while actively refusing to upgrade your software is nothing but a kinda sadly hilarious tantrum

[QUOTE]which is not only bad for the company, but for consumers as well because it splits the userbase into fragments that now all need to be helped. to everyone bitching about how x isn't supported or how y doesn't work as well, welcome to the rift that -you- created. instead of whining about problems while actively contributing to their cause, how's about to understand the concept of standardization and hop onboard.[/QUOTE] So we're whipping out that argument of "it's your fault for not liking W10, that's why you don't like it" again. Already countered that earlier. [QUOTE]windows 10 enterprise is flatly an upgrade to any current version of windows you are running, this is nothing but the truth. you can hide in your darkly lit corner and go 'ungghh but muh botnet' or bitch about how your 20 year old games dont work on windows 10 (heres a secret, they do. just stop being lazy and do a bit of tweaking yourself) all you want, but at the end of the day you're doing nothing but causing more issues by fighting the flow of progress. [/QUOTE] Windows 10 enterprise is functionally equivalent to earlier versions in many ways, but I'm not an enterprise. Furthermore, the Windows 10 UX is inferior to that of Windows 7. There's no changing that. Thirdly, compatibility issues aren't uniform. Some things will work given the right adjustments, but many things won't. A terminal cancer patient can't beat his cancer through willpower and determination. Fourth, 'fighting the flow of progress' is a meaningless argument. Change isn't always good. [QUOTE]microsoft are totally in the right for doing this (both mac and many forks of whatever your favorite open source os is also actively push for you to use the latest, best version of their os btw), the vocal minority of pc users that like to live a decade back software wise are nothing but an honest cancer to the entire ecosystem. [/QUOTE] So we're whipping out the "newer is always better" argument again. Already countered that - Did you upgrade to Windows Vista or Windows 8 when they were new? Also, Windows 7 isn't "a decade back". Windows 7 came out in mid-2009. If you're going to complain about holdouts being a thorn in developers' collective sides you should complain about thoroughly obsolete Windows XP. [QUOTE] now there's nothin wrong with USING an older OS, that's plenty fine, but complaining about shit while actively refusing to upgrade your software is nothing but a kinda sadly hilarious tantrum [/QUOTE] "It's fine to use an older OS but if you have reasons for using it you're throwing a tantrum and I will laugh at you because you're stupid"

My phone runs on Chrome. My phone unlike my pc is locked down with bullshit software that I can't remove (without going way out of my way to root) because of monkeys telling me what I can and can't have on my stuff. MS is doing the same thing. The old Windows put power in the owners hands and let you do as you wish with your hardware. do you really what your computer at home to locked down and monitored for the only reason a big Ass corporation would even care for. It's all about money in the end. To see what your doing all day so they can target advertise and push ads and money to the right markets. If your really that big into having the new shit day one then go for it. But your going to get what a corporation calleds target testing. See what makes money. That's why folks get inline for every new iPhone when it's the same shit with more pointless crap on it. it's more about being cool and trendy. [editline]18th January 2016[/editline] If you want someone to buy your shit. 1# given them the freedom to as they wish with the software and hardware. Freedom is power to edit, customize, code, upgrade, to turn something into something better. 2# don't shit all over your customers by forceing ads on there pcs. I get absolutely that you want to get your product out there. But there are lines you don't cross. Because your customer base is going to loss trust in what your selling. 3# when your trying to sell a product. That is new you typically add something new that would be of great us to your customer base. Not remove the freedoms that your customers have grown to have. Why would you want a tv you can only plug a cable box in but the user wants to plug a DVD players in so they have control of when and were it is used. But again if that's what you want. Then power to you. As for me I want complete control over my hardware and software without silly workarounds. That is why I like Windows 7, I have power not MS. [editline]18th January 2016[/editline] Sorry for my spelling at work

'I have power not ms' said everyone who's never used win10 for more than a day lmfao [editline]19th January 2016[/editline] I still haven't seen any proof of your freedoms being stolen with win10, though I see that argument a lot... Hmm....

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49562689]'I have power not ms' said everyone who's never used win10 for more than a day lmfao [editline]19th January 2016[/editline] I still haven't seen any proof of your freedoms being stolen with win10, though I see that argument a lot... Hmm....[/QUOTE] What do you think of Windows Update?

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49562773]What do you think of Windows Update?[/QUOTE] I always leave automatic updates on because I have no reason not to. That being said, Windows Update is a POS anyway and hasnt really been news for 15 years. Which is why I let it do updates for me because I would rather not fuss with it.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49558826]In order for win10 to get better, more people need to use it and actively report the problems they're having with it.[/QUOTE] Can't even report the problem since the OS seems to not work on my laptop at all. (If I can even get into it it just crashes before being able to report any errors)

You guys must be serious hackers or something because all I do is use the internet, play games and sometimes edit videos whatever and I never felt in any way restricted by Microsoft, even though I own Windows 10. Also, saying you're waiting to see if the next version is better is just stupid. The next version [U]is supposed to be better.[/U] But you don't have to pay a single dime, updating doesn't take long at all and you can still keep your files. Why the fuck wouldn't you upgrade if it would mean better support? Like, seriously, stop with the edgy 'I have my rights and I'm going to use them because freedom'. If you don't like the software, fine, just don't install it and use something else. Microsoft is a company, not a charity and a lot of people like Windows, so you probably won't find the same amount of software on any other OS. If you think they're being unreasonable, then fine, switch to something else but you'll face the lack of software and support (depending on what you're using your PC for). They're a company, not a charity or a government. They want to sell their product on their own terms and if you don't agree with that, then that's your choice, but just face the consequences and stop bitching about it.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49558163]Calm your tits, hombre. My only issue is the retarded "muh privacy" argument.[/QUOTE] I don't see how "muh privacy" is invalid. at all. There's a difference between individual services collecting data and the OS itself doing it.

[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49563220]You guys must be serious hackers or something because all I do is use the internet, play games and sometimes edit videos whatever and I never felt in any way restricted by Microsoft, even though I own Windows 10. Also, saying you're waiting to see if the next version is better is just stupid. The next version [U]is supposed to be better.[/U] But you don't have to pay a single dime, updating doesn't take long at all and you can still keep your files. Why the fuck wouldn't you upgrade if it would mean better support? Like, seriously, stop with the edgy 'I have my rights and I'm going to use them because freedom'. If you don't like the software, fine, just don't install it and use something else. Microsoft is a company, not a charity and a lot of people like Windows, so you probably won't find the same amount of software on any other OS. If you think they're being unreasonable, then fine, switch to something else but you'll face the lack of software and support (depending on what you're using your PC for). They're a company, not a charity or a government. They want to sell their product on their own terms and if you don't agree with that, then that's your choice, but just face the consequences and stop bitching about it.[/QUOTE] This is probably the best argument I've seen so far Don't like it, don't use it. Unless you are specifically required by your Job / School you can use Unix depending on how far down the rabbit hole you are willing to go.

[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49563220]You guys must be serious hackers or something because all I do is use the internet, play games and sometimes edit videos whatever and I never felt in any way restricted by Microsoft, even though I own Windows 10. Also, saying you're waiting to see if the next version is better is just stupid. The next version [U]is supposed to be better.[/U] But you don't have to pay a single dime, updating doesn't take long at all and you can still keep your files. Why the fuck wouldn't you upgrade if it would mean better support? Like, seriously, stop with the edgy 'I have my rights and I'm going to use them because freedom'. If you don't like the software, fine, just don't install it and use something else. Microsoft is a company, not a charity and a lot of people like Windows, so you probably won't find the same amount of software on any other OS. If you think they're being unreasonable, then fine, switch to something else but you'll face the lack of software and support (depending on what you're using your PC for). They're a company, not a charity or a government. They want to sell their product on their own terms and if you don't agree with that, then that's your choice, but just face the consequences and stop bitching about it.[/QUOTE] In summary: - You can use Windows but only if you use Windows 10 - Otherwise you can't use Windows at all - People who disagree with me are just being edgy for the sake of it - But they're also "serious hackers" You're saying that I, as a paying customer, have to do what Microsoft tells me to. That's not how it works. I own a copy of the product, which, in this case, is Windows 7. And I will do with that what I please, which, in this case, is not upgrading to W10.

[QUOTE=phygon;49563247]I don't see how "muh privacy" is invalid. at all. There's a difference between individual services collecting data and the OS itself doing it.[/QUOTE] But the collect the same kind of data. Win10 isn't scanning your files, and uploading to a text document that you have gvnment_project.doc on your PC. It's looking into what you ask Cortana, how you use Win10 apps, etc. AKA it's literally the [I]same exact thing[/I] that iOS and Android have been doing, except now there's a desktop OS, that works the same as always, along side it. People are thinking that stuff you do in the desktop environment is what's being monitored. It's not. Imagine if it was Win10 RT. Remember how restricted RT was? [I]That's[/I] what's being monitored. If you're doing something that RT wouldn't be able to do, then its very likely it isn't collecting data. If people are going to criticize and protest Win10 for privacy concerns, then they shouldn't be using any smart phone either. [editline]19th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49564470]In summary: - You can use Windows but only if you use Windows 10 - Otherwise you can't use Windows at all - People who disagree with me are just being edgy for the sake of it - But they're also "serious hackers" You're saying that I, as a paying customer, have to do what Microsoft tells me to. That's not how it works. I own a copy of the product, which, in this case, is Windows 7. And I will do with that what I please, which, in this case, is not upgrading to W10.[/QUOTE] If you want to get into the nitty gritty technicalities of it, then you, as a paying customer, own a [I]license[/I] to use Microsoft's software. They can change it how they please. You can, realistically speaking, do what you can to keep it how you want. But in the fine print, you bought a Windows license. Realistically, I agree that you should be able to keep whatever OS you want, reasons for OS preference aside. But pulling the "as a paying customer" line doesn't really work, since that opens another can of worms.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;49564655] If you want to get into the nitty gritty technicalities of it, then you, as a paying customer, own a [I]license[/I] to use Microsoft's software. They can change it how they please. You can, realistically speaking, do what you can to keep it how you want. But in the fine print, you bought a Windows license. Realistically, I agree that you should be able to keep whatever OS you want, reasons for OS preference aside. But pulling the "as a paying customer" line doesn't really work, since that opens another can of worms.[/QUOTE] Technically, yes, I own a license to use Windows 7. However, that license does not dictate that I must upgrade to W10. At least, not until Microsoft gets really desperate.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49564709]Technically, yes, I own a license to use Windows 7. However, that license does not dictate that I must upgrade to W10. At least, not until Microsoft gets really desperate.[/QUOTE] As you are in your right to. Just remember, MS no longer has to support 7 beyond maintenance. Which means no longer supporting newer hardware or features fully. Which is what this thread was supposed to be about.

[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-says-next-gen-cpus-will-require-windows-10/[/url] And shit like this.

[QUOTE=raz r23;49564959][url]http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-says-next-gen-cpus-will-require-windows-10/[/url] And shit like this.[/QUOTE] That is what the OP of this thread is about too and what Demache said.

[QUOTE=der_crow;49560556]Then gimmie my fucking R9 390 drivers bitches, this news is BS. jesus christ the driver nightmares.[/QUOTE] Weird how such a new card would have bad support, my gpu is from 2009 and I've had zero problems with the drivers

I'm not sure I understand, isn't the third party manufacturer (Intel or AMD) responsible for making their hardware work on any OS? Since when is it the job of the OS to decide what is supported or not?

[QUOTE=raz r23;49565285]I'm not sure I understand, isn't the third party manufacturer (Intel or AMD) responsible for making their hardware work on any OS? Since when is it the job of the OS to decide what is supported or not?[/QUOTE] Processors are different; they can add new features the os won't be able to take advantage of or altered instruction sets

[QUOTE=raz r23;49564959][url]http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-says-next-gen-cpus-will-require-windows-10/[/url] And shit like this.[/QUOTE] DX12 is a pretty hefty overhaul of graphics architectures, hardware and software is changing to accommodate the things it's intended to bring to this party. You really would be losing out on a significant part of a next-gen GPUs capacity by staying on versions of an OS that don't support the newer feature sets.

[QUOTE=opaali;49565271]Weird how such a new card would have bad support, my gpu is from 2009 and I've had zero problems with the drivers[/QUOTE] Probably going to go unheard but my primary Win10 rig's GPU is a R9 390 and it works fine. When I upgraded from a 7870 is was a little fucky, but I did a clean reinstall and I've had no issues since.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49557849] reality: nobody gives a shit if your experience with windows 10 is flawless, if someone is having a bad time with compatibility then they don't have to fucking use windows 10 just because it's the latest version[/QUOTE] I'd agree, but most of the cases I've heard of people not upgrading isn't because they've had problems with W10 themselves, but because they've heard others have problems, which was exactly the point you were refuting but didn't really refute

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;4956447] You're saying that I, as a paying customer, have to do what Microsoft tells me to. That's not how it works. I own a copy of the product, which, in this case, is Windows 7.[/QUOTE] Ooh boy do you have a -lot- to learn about software licensing lol

For me, it got to the point that I don't want to upgrade simply out of spite for their tactics to get me to upgrade. Personally, the supposed info gathering doesn't really bug me, because the government or whoever will get that info if they want it anyway they can, whether I like it or not. Also, they're still working on it, its going to have issues, that's understandable. What bugs me is the the shit MS is pulling to coerce/force me to upgrade, and the fucking hoops I had to jump through to remove all the crap popping up constantly telling me to upgrade. Not that it was hard to do, but it was time-consuming. And annoying. I enjoy Windows 7, it's easy for me to navigate through, alter to fit my needs, and is generally compatible with the things I use or want to use, and I don't see a need to get something new right now. I just really dislike them trying to shove it down my throat.

Some might say this trend toward an operating system "service" is inevitable and all OS's do it. Well I don't like it so I switched to Ubuntu. I like my computers to be stable and predictable, acting the same way each time I turn it on. It makes me feel in control, I can get work done faster, I don't have to rely on anyone else to fix my problems... that's why I always turned off windows update every time I do a fresh install. Maybe other people use a computer to feel "connected", they like the latest games or tech or whatever. If MS want to pander to these people, well they lost my custom.

So when are we gonna have the Mojave experiment 10 edition [video=youtube;bsStHxtVr_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w[/video]

[QUOTE=Satansick;49558746]Windows 10 ain't even that good. Right now it keeps making the system sound you hear when you (un)plug a device but I don't why. Also MS Paint is superior.[/QUOTE] That's not related to W10, I get that now and it was happening on W7 too. One of the front USB ports on my case is fucked and stopped working completely after a few months of random device failed sounds.

[QUOTE=Solid_Granite;49569307]Some might say this trend toward an operating system "service" is inevitable and all OS's do it. Well I don't like it so I switched to Ubuntu. I like my computers to be stable and predictable, acting the same way each time I turn it on. It makes me feel in control, I can get work done faster, I don't have to rely on anyone else to fix my problems... that's why I always turned off windows update every time I do a fresh install. Maybe other people use a computer to feel "connected", they like the latest games or tech or whatever. If MS want to pander to these people, well they lost my custom.[/QUOTE] I honestly feel more connected (in a good way) using linux both to the os and the community than windows as I have more of an idea what's happening behind the scenes. It also feels great to have the ability to report and discuss issues regarding the distro or other software and point to actual source code. On windows (and proprietary software in general) it's like you're be blindly sending bug reports. Best case scenario you'll get something like "Thank you for your suggestion! I will send this to my overlords" or something. I mainly use linux but when I have to use windows I'll use windows 10. I get the whole principle thing but I somehow stopped caring about it when I decided to switch to linux. And by the way virtualbox with windows 10 works great for software like photoshop, paint.net, adobe audition, etc that doesn't work in wine. It takes me just a couple of seconds to start virtual box and resume the os.

[QUOTE=raz r23;49564959][url]http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-says-next-gen-cpus-will-require-windows-10/[/url] And shit like this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rika-chan;49565222]That is what the OP of this thread is about too and what Demache said.[/QUOTE] so this has what SH has become Do people even read [del]OP[/del] titles these days?