Pickens County Sheriff refuses to lower flag for Nelson Mandela - Polidicks

WHO GIVES A FUCK, ITS A PIECE OF CLOTH MADE IN CHINA

[QUOTE=Aurora93;43117958]actually it goes even further back to Monroe via McCulloch v. Maryland and then Cohens v. Virginia, but to say that there isn't at least SOME resentment over this subordination despite such being legally enforced isn't true[/QUOTE] True enough, but those cases weren't so much forcing the states into a position of subordination but rather defining the lines of federalism imo. This was the early republic, of course. And there's shitloads of resentment, no argument.

[QUOTE=pentium;43116687]You have presidential orders. You really think it's wise to Insubordinate the guy?[/QUOTE] this post made you look like the dumbest and weakest poster on fp i hope for your sakes you were under the influence of something

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;43117357]I don't know about other places, but every police and fire station flag I saw was half-mast the day after the attacks.[/QUOTE] oh Americazzz, you so friendly :3 [editline]9th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Psychokitten;43116921]I don't recall seeing the flags lowered for that incident, but that could be because they lower the flags so often nowadays that I hardly notice. Towns lower their flags all the time when someone local gets killed overseas. We've been fighting for over a decade, so it's kind of lost its effect.[/QUOTE] Nice avatar man ;P

[QUOTE=GunFox;43117915]The supremacy clause of the constitution would like to have a word with you. State authority is always subject to Federal approval. If the feds tell you to do something, you are supposed to do it, even if it isn't constitutionally valid. (Don't bother citing the Tenth amendment, the federal government basically always has constitutional authority or precedent from the supreme court granting them authority) But this is just an executive order, which has no penalty for not complying, so the matter is moot. Refusing to comply just makes you a douche, not a criminal.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];43117589']No they haven't. State subordination to federal powers has been legally enforced since Jackson, then reinforced legally by Lincoln: [/QUOTE] I'm not really sure either of these statements has anything to do with what I said.

I love how all these people are getting worked up over a single flag not being lowered down a pole. Are your lives so devoid of interesting things that you need to get mad at something like this?

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43118014']I am going to dissent here and say he should have. Mandela may not be an American, but it is a gesture of good faith to someone who achieved more many almost any ever for their people. We have done it for other people whom were less deserving.[/QUOTE] I think someone kidnapped sluggo and is using his likeness.

[QUOTE=amute;43126121]I think someone kidnapped sluggo and is using his likeness.[/QUOTE] $100,000 for his return. Hear is a message to prove he is alive: "screw Mandela! Apartheid forever!" [sp]or maybe I am just not as racist as you think I am[/sp]

Yup. kidnapped. Let's keep the money. Whoever's using his account now is a far better poster than he ever was.

I feel the love guys

Previous foreign leaders, figures, and events given half-mast honors in the US -John Paul II (2005) -Victims of the Indian Ocean Earthquake and Tsunami (2004) -King Hussein of Jordan (1999) -Yitzhak Rabin, (assassinated) PM of Israel (1995) -Anwar Sadat, (assassinated) president of Egypt (1981) So this isn't without precedent. I don't remember hearing anyone then refusing to fly the flags at half-staff. Pretty sure this is petty political shit- he's in South Carolina so it isn't like anyone's going to rebuke him for ignoring the executive request, if anything they'll call him a hero for standing up to Obama.

[QUOTE=MercZ;43126629]Previous foreign leaders, figures, and events given half-mast honors in the US -John Paul II (2005) -Victims of the Indian Ocean Earthquake and Tsunami (2004) -King Hussein of Jordan (1999) -Yitzhak Rabin, (assassinated) PM of Israel (1995) -Anwar Sadat, (assassinated) president of Egypt (1981) So this isn't without precedent. I don't remember hearing anyone then refusing to fly the flags at half-staff. Pretty sure this is petty political shit- he's in South Carolina so it isn't like anyone's going to rebuke him for ignoring the executive request, if anything they'll call him a hero for standing up to Obama.[/QUOTE] Obviously barring the victims of the earthquake there, weren't all of those heads of state in office when their death occurred?

"So baring 120,000 people who weren't heads of state..."

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43126846]"So baring 120,000 people who weren't heads of state..."[/QUOTE] Which is a helluva lot more than 1 man who wasn't even in office at the time, in a very ripe old age.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126888]Which is a helluva lot more than 1 man who wasn't even in office at the time.[/QUOTE] So the whole flag lowering thing doesn't [I]need[/I] to be over current serving heads of state. Its a yes / no situation really. "sorry mate we only lower over megadeaths these days"

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43126888]Which is a helluva lot more than 1 man who wasn't even in office at the time, in a very ripe old age.[/QUOTE] If they lowered the flags in solidarity with 120K people, they can do the same for the some hundred-thousand oppressed Africans that Mandela liberated.

You don't have to lower the flag, but not doing so because the dead person isn't an American, well that's retarded. I mean, lowering the flag is out of respect. Petty nationalism shouldn't stop that.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43126899]So the whole flag lowering thing doesn't [I]need[/I] to be over current serving heads of state. Its a yes / no situation really. "sorry mate we only lower over megadeaths these days"[/QUOTE] The sherriff's assertion was that he had no obligation to do so because the person in question wasn't American. I was just posting instances in which flags were ordered at half-mast, despite being related to things which weren't "American" in the sense the sherriff is claiming. To me this means the sheriff's decision was less on principle as it was political posturing.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116653]He shouldn't have to.[/QUOTE] It's a federal law but it's one that carries no penalty. He can get away with not doing it but he's just doing it to be a chode and get attention. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116778]My mistake, on further reference, this was the NJ governor, not the President.[/QUOTE] can you please edit your original post so you aren't spreading misinformation