DNC staffer screams at Donna Brazile for helping elect Donald Trump - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51349598]Brazile was the one let go from CNN because she leaked debate questoins to the Clinton campaign. She can pls go and stay go. When it became obvious is pretty much immediately when people started calling out the DNC and Clinton's loss can be chalked up, even if minutely, to Sanders supporters who felt snubbed and either didn't vote or protest voted for Johnson or Trump. They weren't complacent. Do you not think it a bit cynical to propose this given your particular politics?[/QUOTE] It's not that Clinton was a disgusting candidate in her own right that people didn't want who had her own wealth of skeletons to compare against Trump's. It's not that the DNC shit all over a large portion of its supporters and it's potential supporters. It's not that Clinton was as engaging and energizing as a fucking corpse. No, it was the Sanders supporters who had the gall to demand better.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51349598] When it became obvious is pretty much immediately when people started calling out the DNC and Clinton's loss can be chalked up, even if minutely, to Sanders supporters who felt snubbed and either didn't vote or protest voted for Johnson or Trump. They weren't complacent. Do you not think it a bit cynical to propose this given your particular politics?[/QUOTE] I understand how it can be perceived that way, I didn't mean it in a 'you failed boys ahaha' way, I just didn't hear much about it at the time. From what you guys are saying I stand corrected. I'm glad you guys at least stoop up and tried, in that case. It just seemed like even from day one, Bernie was EASILY maxing out stadiums where as Hillary struggled to get >1000. The fraud was just so obvious, at least to me. If it would have been Bernie vs. Trump, the election outcome would have been what everyone was predicting and then some. It wouldn't have even been close. e: I also am not sitting here pretending that the RNC hasn't done shit like this behind closed doors, they've just gotten away with it thus far

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51349534]Huffington post, really? That headline is such bull. Looks like we've learned nothing. I absolutely agree we need younger candidates and the older DNC need to go. But if the DNC just start fighting each other like this? You'll lose the next one. Fucking hell. EDIT: you know, actually, I'm probably being too hard on the guy. Fuck, I don't know anymore. Feeling like my opinion doesn't make any sense to anyone.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what [B]needs[/B] to happen. The corruption in the DNC needs to be torn out, thrown out and replaced. Sitting around holding hands singing kumbayah and pretending the DNC isn't a festering pile of shit isn't going to do anything but ensure Trump sees 8 years in the White House. The guy should have gotten a standing ovation for telling Donna Brazile what a useless cunt she is, and how badly she and her friends fucked all of us.

The Democrats don't even need a far left-wing candidate, if they're afraid that someone like Sanders is too fringe. They just need someone with his frankness and a willingness to actually help people rather than direct hatred toward minorities. A large portion of the US is moderate (which is the group Bill Clinton aimed for, hint, hint), and they don't have much representation at all in either party right now. I would say Hillary Clinton is maybe sort of a moderate, but she adapted a policy of ripping off others' popular policies to the point where it's confusing where she lies on a political spectrum.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;51349562]I really wish the Bernie supporters would have called out the DNC's obvious corruption and primary rigging when it was happening. They were shunned and ignored by the media, and seemed to fall complacent. I could be wrong, but it seems like most of you guys went quietly into the night. :([/QUOTE] We did call it out; the media dismissed us, Hillary's genuine supporters told us to "Get In Line" and dismissed us as naive or tin foil hat conspiracists as they kept circle jerking each other in their #YasQueen echo chamber, and sites like Reddit's Politics subreddit were taken over by astroturfing Correct the Record shills. We were drowned out.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51349613]We kept fighting, but the holdouts refused to listen and tried to keep everyone quiet. The corruption was obvious and people tried to call it out but you had the raiders who charged in to shout down and belittle anyone who dared bring it up.[/QUOTE] Find the post where I belittled someone for saying Sanders was a better choice than Clinton Find the post where I myself said Clinton was a better choice than Sanders [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51349631][B]It's not that Clinton was a disgusting candidate in her own right that people didn't want who had her own wealth of skeletons to compare against Trump's.[/B] It's not that the DNC shit all over a large portion of its supporters and it's potential supporters.[B] It's not that Clinton was as engaging and energizing as a fucking corpse.[/B] No, it was the Sanders supporters who had the gall to demand better.[/QUOTE] The alternative is saying Sanders supporters were ineffective whiners. There is no winning with you people. Agreed with the bolded points and said as much during the primary.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51349534]Huffington post, really? That headline is such bull. Looks like we've learned nothing. I absolutely agree we need younger candidates and the older DNC need to go. But if the DNC just start fighting each other like this? You'll lose the next one. Fucking hell. EDIT: you know, actually, I'm probably being too hard on the guy. Fuck, I don't know anymore. Feeling like my opinion doesn't make any sense to anyone.[/QUOTE] The DNC fucked their constituency and they do not give a fuck about them, that's the simple truth, and that's how a literal idiot is now in charge. Same thing happened with Bush, this is nothing new unfortunately.

What are the DNC's options for 2020? They could pull a Trump and push another populist now that the curse is broken, or they could get a new/rising member up. Anyone that was a major part of the DNC this election won't have a chance because of their collosal failure of running with Clinton.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51349613]We kept fighting, but the holdouts refused to listen and tried to keep everyone quiet. The corruption was obvious and people tried to call it out but you had the raiders who charged in to shout down and belittle anyone who dared bring it up.[/QUOTE] If people state openly that they enjoy political shitposting simply for its own sake, you should probably just completely ignore them.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51349661]What are the DNC's options for 2020? They could pull a Trump and push another populist now that the curse is broken, or they could get a new/rising member up. Anyone that was a major part of the DNC this election won't have a chance because of their collosal failure of running with Clinton.[/QUOTE] Sanders or someone endorsed by him.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51349651]We did call it out; the media dismissed us, Hillary's genuine supporters told us to "Get In Line" and dismissed us as naive or tin foil hat conspiracists as they kept circle jerking each other in their #YasQueen echo chamber, [B]and sites like Reddit's Politics subreddit were taken over by astroturfing Correct the Record shills.[/B] We were drowned out.[/QUOTE] Is there actually proof of this or did r/politics just go from heavily supporting Sanders to heavily supporting Clinton because A) they are left leaning generally and B) Clinton happened to win the nomination.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51349677]Is there actually proof of this or did r/politics just go from heavily supporting Sanders to heavily supporting Clinton because A) they are left leaning generally and B) Clinton happened to win the nomination.[/QUOTE] IDK if it was r/politics specifically but CTR shills targeting reddit was a real thing

[QUOTE=froztshock;51349616]Yeah, that was a big reason as well. I figured that the household name status would be enough to carry her to victory, but then she ran a wet fart of a campaign and people saw more in Donald, even though i think they're completely and utterly wrong. I honestly hope she never campaigns again, because I'm not sure I can forgive her for losing a race that I had chalked up as impossible to lose.[/QUOTE] After losing 2 elections that seemed to be in the bag, one primary and one general, Clinton's looking about as unelectable as a politician can get in America. She probably still has a fair few people in the DNC that will follow her to the ends of the earth, but I don't think they'll be able to win her another primary, and that's [I]if[/I] Hillary still thinks she can win someday, which she might not.

Good on you zach.

Hillary Clinton's hubris is going to lead to Earth getting fucked over because of Climate Change. I'm not going to mince words - Of all the consequences of a Trump presidency, I genuinely hope she feels fucking terrible over this consequence in particular, and that this weighs over her conscious for years to come. Regressive social changes can someday be reverted, but we are well and truly fucked with the irreversibility of this.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51349677]Is there actually proof of this or did r/politics just go from heavily supporting Sanders to heavily supporting Clinton because A) they are left leaning generally and B) Clinton happened to win the nomination.[/QUOTE] While there was some DNC bias and media manipulation I feel like Sanders supporters can sometimes take it too far Like it or not, within the context of a primary Clinton was NOT a weak candidate. Among the lifetime hardline democrats that tend to vote in primaries, she was a great candidate. She's been one of the most popular politicians nation-wide among democrats and her husband is seen as a pretty good president too. I think Bernie would have clinched it without the meddling, but it isn't as black and white (perfect candidate vs EVIL BITCH NO1 ACTUALLY LIKES) as people make it out to be.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51349674]Sanders or someone endorsed by him.[/QUOTE] Tulsi Gabbard seems like a perfect choice. Of course it's way too early for anyone to know for certain but she certainly seems positioned to carry the banner, what with her actually supporting Sanders (unlike Warren) and stepping away from the DNC mess

[QUOTE=Swiket;51349691]IDK if it was r/politics specifically but CTR shills targeting reddit was a real thing[/QUOTE] I know they operated on Reddit but this doesn't necessarily mean r/politics shift from rabidly pro-Bernie to rabidly pro-Clinton on it's own. Like the entire point of my position is that there are people on the left that aren't in the "establishment" or "political elite" or get paid off by the corporations and it really isn't that much of a stretch that these are the people who listened to Sanders (and, I'd argue, reason) and simply picked up with Clinton where Sanders left off. [QUOTE=27X;51349672]If people state openly that they enjoy political shitposting simply for its own sake, you should probably just completely ignore them.[/QUOTE] Lets just continue to put words in my mouth so we don't have to bother with discussion while simultaneously blaming that very thing for the rise of Trump.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51349694]After losing 2 elections that seemed to be in the bag, one primary and one general, Clinton's looking about as unelectable as a politician can get in America. She probably still has a fair few people in the DNC that will follow her to the ends of the earth, but I don't think they'll be able to win her another primary, and that's [I]if[/I] Hillary still thinks she can win someday, which she might not.[/QUOTE] Honestly I've been thinking of getting directly involved in the DNC after this shitshow, though I don't know if that's actually possible given my current future plans. Probably a pipe dream, but it should give you an idea of how fucking pissed I am. Suffice to say, if I ever [i]do[/i] do it, I'd fight tooth and nail to keep this kind of 'by the script!' shit out, either for Hillary or whoever else these fucks try to pony up and shove down the throat of the electorate.

[QUOTE=Swiket;51349691]IDK if it was r/politics specifically but CTR shills targeting reddit was a real thing[/QUOTE] Wasn't CTR revealed to be like 12 people

We can see that the DNC fucked us but does everyone else? People voted for Hillary on name recognition and even without super delegates, she still got the most support and beat out Sanders. Does the average american and democrat see that we were fucked by corrupt assholes at the top? As fucked up as it is that Trump was elected, he was meme'd to victory even when every mainstream media outlet said how big of a disaster a Trump presidency would be. Can we, as average citizens, force the DNC higher ups and Clinton cronies out and publicly shame and humiliate them so nobody tries this again?

Hillary was way too overconfident with believing Trump's stupidity would carry her to victory. She should have pushed harder against Trump.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51349698]Hillary Clinton's hubris is going to lead to Earth getting fucked over because of Climate Change. I'm not going to mince words - Of all the consequences of a Trump presidency, I genuinely hope she feels fucking terrible over this consequence in particular, and that this hangs over her conscious for years to come. Regressive social changes can someday be reverted, but we are well and truly fucked with the irreversibility of this.[/QUOTE] I just don't see the logic in working backwards to find someone to blame when the person who's hands are on the literal levers of power is right there. And I know what the reply is going to be: "His hands are on those levers because Clinton was a bad candidate who couldn't beat him". But ultimately Trump and the people who support him have responsibility for their actions and if he does contribute to the worsening effects of climate change through his power as presidency it's purely on his head. [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51349705]While there was some DNC bias and media manipulation I feel like Sanders supporters can sometimes take it too far Like it or not, within the context of a primary Clinton was NOT a weak candidate. Among the lifetime hardline democrats that tend to vote in primaries, she was a great candidate. She's been one of the most popular politicians nation-wide among democrats and her husband is seen as a pretty good president too. I think Bernie would have clinched it without the meddling, but it isn't as black and white (perfect candidate vs EVIL BITCH NO1 ACTUALLY LIKES) as people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] I disagree that Sanders would have won without the meddling but the rest is all I've been trying to say. 1) I voted for Sanders because I thought he was a better candidate policy-wise and also because he had a better chance of beating Trump 2) I think the media and DNC both mistreated Sanders, however I disagree that it was a massive, concerted effort

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51349735]Hillary was way too overconfident with believing Trump's stupidity would carry her to victory. She should have pushed harder against Trump.[/QUOTE] I was literally just thinking this. The democrats are going to have to realize that just proving Trump stupid isn't enough to win against him, because nobody cares.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51349730][B]We can see that the DNC fucked us but does everyone else? People voted for Hillary on name recognition and even without super delegates, she still got the most support and beat out Sanders. Does the average american and democrat see that we were fucked by corrupt assholes at the top? [/B] As fucked up as it is that Trump was elected, he was meme'd to victory even when every mainstream media outlet said how big of a disaster a Trump presidency would be. Can we, as average citizens, force the DNC higher ups and Clinton cronies out and publicly shame and humiliate them so nobody tries this again?[/QUOTE] Holy shit thank you.

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51349735]Hillary was way too overconfident with believing Trump's stupidity would carry her to victory. She should have pushed harder against Trump.[/QUOTE] She should have focused harder on policy and reaching out to Blue Collar Workers instead of insulting Trump voters and "Bernie Bros", which only further vindicated Trump voters and entrenched them in their persecution complex.

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51349735]Hillary was way too overconfident with believing Trump's stupidity would carry her to victory. She should have pushed harder against Trump.[/QUOTE] When your biggest problem is your left flank, choosing Tim Kaine over half a dozen solid progressive choices is the definition of hubris.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51349677]Is there actually proof of this or did r/politics just go from heavily supporting Sanders to heavily supporting Clinton because A) they are left leaning generally and B) Clinton happened to win the nomination.[/QUOTE] calling someone a CTR shill to dismiss any positive clinton story was just one of the talking point sanders supporters on /r/politics and beyond took from trump supporters during the primaries. to say that the only reason a left leaning subreddit like /r/politics supported clinton during the election was because of a massive conspiracy by CTR is delusional at best.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51349746]She should have focused harder on policy and reaching out to Blue Collar Workers instead of insulting Trump voters and "Bernie Bros", which only further vindicated Trump voters and entrenched them in their persecution complex.[/QUOTE] The deplorables comment was the worst moment of Clintons campaign if you don't include the collapse on 9/11. Insulting your opponent is one thing, insulting the voters is just a massive political gaffe.

[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51349735]Hillary was way too overconfident with believing Trump's stupidity would carry her to victory. She should have pushed harder against Trump.[/QUOTE] What saved Trump was staying out of the news for the last two weeks. Had the election been held on the 19th of October instead, Clinton would've (likely) won by a fair margin. Clinton lost because she had a lot of skeletons in the closet herself, and she happened to be in the news cycle the last week and a half. Basically no one liked either candidate, and it seems dementia is the only reason the vote share changed much at all. Clinton needed to be able to control what was on the news, and ironically (considering what people claim about her) she wasn't able to.