[QUOTE=GunFox;18142505]And if companies have a right to enforce a dress code amongst employees.[/QUOTE]
An immodest and revealing dress code!
That's kind of the key point here.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18142561]I've always wondered...can a mod ban another mod?[/QUOTE]
Not for disagreeing with him, no.
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18140959]A shirt is a little more necessary than a headscarf.[/QUOTE]
Yeah maybe to you
To her a headscarf is just as necessary
[QUOTE=Epidemick;18142653]Yeah maybe to you
To her a headscarf is just as necessary[/QUOTE]
Is the headscarf voluntary or do you have to wear it?
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18142690]Is the headscarf voluntary or do you have to wear it?[/QUOTE]
You have to wear a headscarf
The people who purposley don't wear headscarves and then are seen by men (That they are not related to/married to) commit a sin
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18142636]Not for disagreeing with him, no.[/QUOTE]
No, no, the reason doesn't manner, I mean if it were possible anyways.
[QUOTE=Epidemick;18142705]You have to wear a headscarf
The people who purposley don't wear headscarves and then are seen by men (That they are not related to/married to) commit a sin[/QUOTE]
I did not know that. My resolution being, as long as it doesn't interfere with her doing her job, then she can wear it.
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18142766]No, no, the reason doesn't manner, I mean if it were possible anyways.[/QUOTE]
Then yes. It happened to Compwhizzii. Mods can even ban themselves. (Mikfoz and mm3guy)
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18142773]
Then yes. It happened to Compwhizzii. Mods can even ban themselves. (Mikfoz and mm3guy)[/QUOTE]
Ah, okay. I knew they could ban themselves, but I never heard of Compwhizzii before.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18142852]Ah, okay. I knew they could ban themselves, but I never heard of Compwhizzii before.[/QUOTE]
He was a mod that was around for about a month or two.
[QUOTE=GunFox;18142285]
So do strippers now have the right to refuse to strip and keep their job?
"Oh I'm sorry, I can't remove my shirt, it's against my religion."[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between a career that has very little if anything to do with disobeying wardrobe restrictions, and a job where you are paid not to wear clothing.
if your argument is weak enough that you need to use examples like this you should stop posting
The world is a wreck.:Dawkins102:
Atheism solves all problems. ( At least for me).
[QUOTE=Chippay;18144501]there's a difference between a career that has very little if anything to do with disobeying wardrobe restrictions, and a job where you are paid not to wear clothing.
if your argument is weak enough that you need to use examples like this you should stop posting[/QUOTE]
Did you not read the following post? I covered this.
The point was that jobs have a very basic right to control the type of clothing you wear and that you can legally be fired for failing to follow set protocol.
I chose a job where the dress code was of chief importance. A job is a job, bud. Largely they are all covered by relatively similar restrictions in the field of firing.
(With the exception being government jobs. Hard as hell to fire government employees.)
[QUOTE=TH89;18140917]Which is like asking her to take off her shirt when she comes to work[/QUOTE]
Except it isn't and she's a retard.
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[QUOTE=TH89;18141128]No it isn't.[/QUOTE]
When I'm cold on a windy day, the first thing I grab to cover my naked body is a headscarf.
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[QUOTE=TH89;18141267]Why isn't a shirt voluntary?[/QUOTE]
The sign says: No shirt, no shoes, no service.
Not: No headscarf, no shoes, no service.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18141864]reason and religion are not mutually incompatible
now stop with your smug internet athiest routine, everyone here has heard it before time and time again from countless other people just like you who look down on anyone with spiritual beliefs[/QUOTE]
Because religious people say so?
[To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering [i]observable, empirical and measurable [highlight][b][u]evidence[/u][/b][/highlight] subject to specific principles of reasoning.[/i]]
[Reason in this sense is often contrasted with authority, intuition, emotion, [i]mysticism, superstition, and [b]faith[/b][/i], and is thought by rationalists to be [i]more reliable than these in discovering what is true or what is best.[/i]]
And no.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18145600]Except it isn't and she's a retard.
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When I'm cold on a windy day, the first thing I grab to cover my naked body is a headscarf.
[editline]02:30AM[/editline]
The sign says: No shirt, no shoes, no service.
Not: No headscarf, no shoes, no service.
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Because religious people say so?
[To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering [i]observable, empirical and measurable [highlight][b][u]evidence[/u][/b][/highlight] subject to specific principles of reasoning.[/i]]
[Reason in this sense is often contrasted with authority, intuition, emotion, [i]mysticism, superstition, and [b]faith[/b][/i], and is thought by rationalists to be [i]more reliable than these in discovering what is true or what is best.[/i]]
And no.[/QUOTE]
Why is she a retard? What he's saying is that to her, there is equal necessity of both the shirt and the headscarf. And why did we need to prolong the religious discussion? At this point, you're just flaming.
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18145762]Why is she a retard? What he's saying is that to her, there is equal necessity of both the shirt and the headscarf. And why did we need to prolong the religious discussion? At this point, you're just flaming.[/QUOTE]
I'm not flaming anyone except maybe the muslim woman.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18145838]I'm not flaming anyone except maybe the muslim woman.[/QUOTE]
You shouldn't be flaming at all. Even so, you're prolonging this discussion that's only going to create 3 or 4 pages of atheists and religious people firing back at each other.
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18145762]Why is she a retard? What he's saying is that to her, there is equal necessity of both the shirt and the headscarf. And why did we need to prolong the religious discussion? At this point, you're just flaming.[/QUOTE]
No, the necessity of the headscarf is one provided by society.
In this case she is attempting to project the values of her culture into a society which doesn't agree. She is blatantly violating social norms and as such is suffering the real consequences of doing so.
As much as we would like to think you can go against society without consequence, the truth is quite the opposite. You go with the flow or get crushed on the rocks.
:munch:
The moderators are arguing with each other...
Look, just about all hospitals don't really care.
My mom was a goddamn Nurse [U]Manager[/U] in Canada and she's worked there for 8 years and no one said shit
Actually, there are Muslim women working in almost [U]every[/U] hospital and if all the other hospitals don't really mind why should one hospital just pop all of a sudden?
Here's my guess: [sp]Racism[/sp]
[QUOTE=Epidemick;18146786]Look, just about all hospitals don't really care.
My mom was a goddamn Nurse [U]Manager[/U] in Canada and she's worked there for 8 years and no one said shit
Actually, there are Muslim women working in almost [U]every[/U] hospital and if all the other hospitals don't really mind why should one hospital just pop all of a sudden?
Here's my guess: [sp]Racism[/sp][/QUOTE]
Canada != America, believe it or not.
[QUOTE=GunFox;18145947]No, the necessity of the headscarf is one provided by society.
In this case she is attempting to project the values of her culture into a society which doesn't agree. She is blatantly violating social norms and as such is suffering the real consequences of doing so.
As much as we would like to think you can go against society without consequence, the truth is quite the opposite. You go with the flow or get crushed on the rocks.[/QUOTE]
Not all of us are that intolerant
So now your argument is "society says so!"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18147047]Canada != America, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, the cultures seem pretty similar
I'm taking the side of the hospital. She shouldn't wear her headscarf. It's not hygienic and she should follow the same dress code as everyone else or fuck off and find another job.
Good. Its unhygenic.
This is similar lines to not being able to walk into a shop with a hood up, or a bike helmet on, but a muslim can stroll in with their entire face covered up in a dark shroud. Its fucking bullshit man.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;18145372]Did you not read the following post? I covered this.
The point was that jobs have a very basic right to control the type of clothing you wear and that you can legally be fired for failing to follow set protocol.
I chose a job where the dress code was of chief importance. A job is a job, bud. Largely they are all covered by relatively similar restrictions in the field of firing.
(With the exception being government jobs. Hard as hell to fire government employees.)[/QUOTE]
I fucking like you. Your opinion is correct.
How is it unhygienic?
[QUOTE=Bulmer;18147634]
I fucking like you. Your opinion is correct.[/QUOTE]
in your opinion.
[QUOTE=Bulmer;18147634]Good. Its unhygenic.
This is similar lines to not being able to walk into a shop with a hood up, or a bike helmet on, but a muslim can stroll in with their entire face covered up in a dark shroud. Its fucking bullshit man.
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I fucking like you. Your opinion is correct.[/QUOTE]
Please explain why it is unhygienic.
And no, it's not similar to wearing a bike helmet or a hood. This is a part of their religion - just like many of your accepted social norms are founded on Christianity. People here who say that they're trying to impose their religion on a different society are complete hypocrites - by disallowing something so trivial to a non Muslim that is so important for somebody following Islam is imposing on their religion.
I'm actually surprised how many intolerant people there are here.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18127216]yeah its a real problem
we should make like special camps for them
nvrmnd that you suck[/QUOTE]
Because exterminating them is the same as just denying them entry into your country
Ohhhh, their religion? I'm so sorry.
How is it fair that a man who has just popped off his motorbike into the local shop with his visor up showing most of his face has to take off his helmet and carry it/leave it outside because he MIGHT be trying to rob the store, meanwhile some fucking Muslim walks in with no shred of their face showing but possibly a dimly lit eyeslit, and can just prance about as if they're never going to rob the store because "its their religion."
FYI Americans, in England most Motorbikers wear helmets because they're fucking safe.
Its unhygienic because its extra materials.
My friend works in a nursing hospice not far from me, and she is not allowed to wear watches, wristbands etc because of the fact virus' can spread blah blah blah. She has to cut off her [url=http://www.leedsfestival.com/home/]Leeds[/url] (click) bands each time she gets back and starts work, which is a bit lame because its good fun to leave them on as you go to different ones.
My mum used to work in ITU for about 20 years, and their uniforms, being the ones provided by work, were kept at the hospital and taken off for cleaning by the hospital. This meant that when you were tending to patients you weren't wearing anything major from home, apart from simple shoes and the work clothes (+underwear underneath it all, of course).
She told me about a discussion that took place about a Muslim nurse that actually took her head scarf off during working times and that her local MuslimMaster or whatever their Bishopy type blokes are called had spoken to her, and blah blah blah it was allowed for her to remove it at work only blah blah blah.
End of wall of text, and I still agree with whoever I quoted earlier, that its an employers basic right to state the type of clothes that should or shouldn't be worn at work, whether it be for religious purpose or not.
For a religion to "punish" you for working, unless the type of work comes in direct conflict with some of the religious laws, is wrong. Get out of it, its good for no one. "You die, you lay in the ground."
Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct.
Did I mention you are correct?
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