• Clinic Forbids Muslim Doctor to Wear Headscarf
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18119986]Employers can make any policy they want. Regardless of whether the employee can find a new job or not, it's their choice to conform to the policy or leave.[/QUOTE] They have to obey discrimination laws
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18119986]Employers can make any policy they want.[/QUOTE] No that's not true. America isn't 100 percent capitalist. There are regulations in place that prohibit discrimination by private enterprises. It varies from state to state.
[QUOTE=James*;18119995]They have to obey discrimination laws[/QUOTE] I think discrimination laws should cater to people who have no choice with their situation, whether it's being a different race, sexuality, gender, disability, etc. Religion is a personal choice. Asking for your silly, fictional beliefs to be accommodated is like asking to come into work wearing a clown costume when the dress code clearly states you must wear a suit and tie. And you know, what if my religion states I must drop what I am doing and slaughter 12 chickens at noon? Can I sue for discrimination if every job site I go to turns down my application? Those are my beliefs, man!
I'd just like to point out that most american people I know are Texan, and they're usually pretty awesome. Anyway, this is really nothing compared to France... though France has very different ideas about the roles of state and religion. What harm is this doing in this instance though? I don't get it.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120078]I think discrimination laws should cater to people who have no choice with their situation, whether it's being a different race, sexuality, gender, disability, etc. Religion is a personal choice. Asking for your silly, fictional beliefs to be accommodated is like asking to come into work wearing a clown costume when the dress code clearly states you must wear a suit and tie.[/QUOTE] People are usually raised to believe in a religion. It's hardly a choice. Also you can change your race and gender. Isn't that a choice?
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120078] Religion is a personal choice. Asking for your silly, fictional beliefs to be accommodated is like asking to come into work wearing a clown costume when the dress code clearly states you must wear a suit and tie.[/QUOTE] but this isn't an accommodation. The hospital doesn't have to do anything extra because she's wearing a headscarf.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120078]I think discrimination laws should cater to people who have no choice with their situation, whether it's being a different race, sexuality, gender, disability, etc. Religion is a personal choice. Asking for your silly, fictional beliefs to be accommodated is like asking to come into work wearing a clown costume when the dress code clearly states you must wear a suit and tie.[/QUOTE] Yes. Workers need to stop bitching and get working.
[QUOTE=Elspin;18119752]Completely different. They're not asking her to change her religion, just saying she can't wear a head-scarf. This makes total sense, in an position like this they're not allowed for sanitary reasons...[/QUOTE] A head-scarf is part of the religion, like not eating pork.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18120134]People are usually raised to believe in a religion. It's hardly a choice. Also you can change your race and gender. Isn't that a choice?[/QUOTE] My mother's side is Christian and my father's side is HEAVILY Catholic. I am atheist. Point refuted. LOL at this. I love how you claim religion is less of a choice than your gender is.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18120153]but this isn't an accommodation. The hospital doesn't have to do anything extra because she's wearing a headscarf.[/QUOTE] This. Christians are allowed to wear a cross if they so-wish, I don't think this is much different. In fact doesn't the constitution of your country defend the right to religious expression?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18120153]but this isn't an accommodation. The hospital doesn't have to do anything extra because she's wearing a headscarf.[/QUOTE] I'm sure there's a dress code.
[QUOTE=Conscript;18120134]People are usually raised to believe in a religion. It's hardly a choice. Also you can change your race and gender. Isn't that a choice?[/QUOTE] You can convert to another religion. If people didn't change their religious beliefs, then there wouldn't be any atheists in the world, because at one point, everyone had some sort of religion.
[QUOTE=Athelus;18120199]In fact doesn't the constitution of your country defend the right to religious expression?[/QUOTE] A problem that should be rectified.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120190]My mother's side is Christian and my father's side is HEAVILY Catholic. I am atheist. Point refuted.[/QUOTE] Religion is a choice that a company should have nothing to do about.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120217]A problem that should be rectified.[/QUOTE] Well that's scary... Isn't tolerance of minorities a cornerstone of democracy? One that was in all honesty polularised by the constitution of the United States? I guess you could take the route of France, banning all religious references in public office, but that's just not appropriate for your country in my opinion. You have religious references on banknotes!
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120217]A problem that should be rectified.[/QUOTE] What kind of sickening atheist are you. I'm an atheist because I don't want to be part of the discrimination of people. You're just a cock.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18120240]Religion is a choice that a company should have nothing to do about.[/QUOTE] Religion should be kept private, in your time outside of work, especially if you're a politician.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120217]A problem that should be rectified.[/QUOTE] congrats on being a fascist who thinks his atheism gives him some sort of innate superiority to everyone else
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120078]And you know, what if my religion states I must drop what I am doing and slaughter 12 chickens at noon? Can I sue for discrimination if every job site I go to turns down my application? Those are my beliefs, man![/QUOTE] That would not be a reasonable request There is no reason for her to not be allowed to wear a head scarf
[QUOTE=thisispain;18120252]What kind of sickening atheist are you. I'm an atheist because I don't want to be part of the discrimination of people.[/QUOTE] Hey man, don't discriminate. Those are my beliefs and everything.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120259]Religion should be kept private, in your time outside of work, especially if you're a politician.[/QUOTE] I don't see how someone is making their religion public by having a head scarf. That's the thing you are primarily forgetting, how insignificant a head scarf is to safety or health regulations.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120190]My mother's side is Christian and my father's side is HEAVILY Catholic. I am atheist. Point refuted. LOL at this. I love how you claim religion is less of a choice than your gender is.[/QUOTE] Not refuted, sorry. Congratulations, you're one in a thousand. Maybe not a thousand, but most kids follow their parents ideals. LOL at that, I never said religion was less of a choice then your gender. If I can choose to get a sex change, and choose not to, is that not a choice?
[QUOTE=thisispain;18120240]Religion is a choice that a company should have nothing to do about.[/QUOTE] They don't care about her religion. They want the scarf off because there's a no-headwear policy, not because she's a muslim.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120259]Religion should be kept private, in your time outside of work, especially if you're a politician.[/QUOTE] That's not for the government to decide or enforce.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120292]Hey man, don't discriminate. Those are my beliefs and everything.[/QUOTE] No, you are just devoid of intellectual worth. Any kind of meaningless pandering in your posts only writes up to it.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120259]Religion should be kept private, in your time outside of work, especially if you're a politician.[/QUOTE] Move to France, the laws there work as you would like them too. The USA is too overtly religious for it to make any sense to change things there.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18120292]Hey man, don't discriminate. Those are my beliefs and everything.[/QUOTE] calling someone with dumb opinions dumb isn't discrimination.
[QUOTE=lum1naire;18118640]Well I'm Sikh and wasn't all surprised that he did whine about it. Granted he shouldn't have, but wasn't surprised he did.[/QUOTE] High five im sikh too :D
[QUOTE=Athelus;18120332]Move to France, the laws there work as you would like them too. The USA is too overtly religious for it to make any sense to change things there.[/QUOTE] I don't live in the US and for good reason.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18120309]They don't care about her religion. They want the scarf off because there's a no-headwear policy, not because she's a muslim.[/QUOTE] Alright. And how does this make the policy any better? I don't understand why stating a fact changes anything. We are just debating on what the point of it is. While I respect that a company has certain privileges, I don't necessarily think it's always proper.
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