• Clinic Forbids Muslim Doctor to Wear Headscarf
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[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18129480]How would you constraint the men? Besides its just a headscarf and at the time everyone would wear it [I]anyway[/I] (From the sun)[/QUOTE] I don't know how, but that doesn't seem like the logical solution to wrap up the women. It's the mens' problem, no theirs. Maybe the men should wear the full head scarfs so they aren't tempted to look at the women.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18129523]No actually I'm a firm believer in when you move to a country and leave your own behind, you thereby abandon your culture and should learn this new one. I'm in Canada, if I moved to China I wouldn't act like everyone should speak my language, I'd learn theirs. Yea America and Canada both allow these cultures to keep their language and whatnot but it just adds to the confusion. People need to speak one language to prevent confusion, and should obey the same rules to prevent discrimination. Natives here don't have to pay tax or pay for College/University, I find this discriminatory against everyone else. I work my ass off to pay for College, and here we have Natives that don't need to lift a finger to get top notch education.[/QUOTE] Oh cool I used to live in Canada for just about most of my life And are you saying you want people to completely ditch their heritage and culture just because they moved to a country with different customs? Its the other way around. If you're Canadian and you go to China, you'd be sure to have a few things left from Canada like Poutine and all that awesome shit. Obviously you'd have to learn the language but that's common sense and that's critical. But you're trying to say "forget your other language", which really is a dumb ideology. P.S. Where in Canada?
I knew The Epidemic would be in this thread!
[QUOTE=Marlwolf78;18129545]I don't know how, but that doesn't seem like the logical solution to wrap up the women. It's the mens' problem, no theirs. Maybe the men should wear the full head scarfs so they aren't tempted to look at the women.[/QUOTE] [img]http://geoconger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/king-abdullah-of-saudi-arabia.jpg[/img] Eh the men kind of wrap themselves up too :v:
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18129810]Oh cool I used to live in Canada for just about most of my life And are you saying you want people to completely ditch their heritage and culture just because they moved to a country with different customs? Its the other way around. If you're Canadian and you go to China, you'd be sure to have a few things left from Canada like Poutine and all that awesome shit. [b]Obviously you'd have to learn the language but that's common sense and that's critical. But you're trying to say "forget your other language", which really is a dumb ideology.[/b] P.S. Where in Canada?[/QUOTE] Nice contradiction. Also, it's none of you're concern as to where I live. I just think, in my opinion, that people need to stop expecting their culture be the dominant one in other countries.
if she wants to wear a scarf on her head then why the hell not [QUOTE=Jurikuer;18129960]Nice contradiction. Also, it's none of you're concern as to where I live. I just think, in my opinion, that people need to stop expecting their culture be the dominant one in other countries.[/QUOTE] how the hell does that have anything to do with dominating another countries culture why do people were say, an iron maiden shirt? because THEY LISTEN TO IRON MAIDEN
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18129960]Nice contradiction. Also, it's none of you're concern as to where I live. I just think, in my opinion, that people need to stop expecting their culture be the dominant one in other countries.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't a contradiction. Just don't forget the other language :downs: It's not like you can only have one language in your mind I know both Arabic [I]and[/I] English, boy.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18130012]No, it isn't a contradiction. Just don't forget the other language :downs: It's not like you can only have one language in your mind I know both Arabic [I]and[/I] English, boy.[/QUOTE] That's fine, but doesn't it offend you when you hear a store clerk speaking his language and not knowing if hes talking shit about you or not? You never know what they're saying, and I find it's rude.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;18129930][img]http://geoconger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/king-abdullah-of-saudi-arabia.jpg[/img] Eh the men kind of wrap themselves up too :v:[/QUOTE] That's a good point. Some do. I do think that women are expected to do it more than men, though. What I don't like about the headscarf is that it's supposedly meant to keep people from flirting with the opposite sex, but covering up neither your eyes nor your mouth. [editline]09:27AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jurikuer;18130033]That's fine, but doesn't it offend you when you hear a store clerk speaking his language and not knowing if hes talking shit about you or not? You never know what they're saying, and I find it's rude.[/QUOTE] They don't speak that way directly to you, do they?
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18130033]That's fine, but doesn't it offend you when you hear a store clerk speaking his language and not knowing if hes talking shit about you or not? You never know what they're saying, and I find it's rude.[/QUOTE] In Islam, it is hated to speak with another person with a different language in the presence of another who does not understand it for that very reason.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18129523]No actually I'm a firm believer in when you move to a country and leave your own behind, you thereby abandon your culture and should learn this new one. I'm in Canada, if I moved to China I wouldn't act like everyone should speak my language, I'd learn theirs. Yea America and Canada both allow these cultures to keep their language and whatnot but it just adds to the confusion. People need to speak one language to prevent confusion, and should obey the same rules to prevent discrimination. Natives here don't have to pay tax or pay for College/University, I find this discriminatory against everyone else. I work my ass off to pay for College, and here we have Natives that don't need to lift a finger to get top notch education.[/QUOTE] So do you speak Inuit?
[QUOTE=James*;18130337]So do you speak Inuit?[/QUOTE] zing
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18129523]No actually I'm a firm believer in when you move to a country and leave your own behind, you thereby abandon your culture and should learn this new one. I'm in Canada, if I moved to China I wouldn't act like everyone should speak my language, I'd learn theirs. Yea America and Canada both allow these cultures to keep their language and whatnot but it just adds to the confusion. People need to speak one language to prevent confusion, and should obey the same rules to prevent discrimination. Natives here don't have to pay tax or pay for College/University, I find this discriminatory against everyone else. I work my ass off to pay for College, and here we have Natives that don't need to lift a finger to get top notch education.[/QUOTE] The culture and languages you speak aren't mutually exclusive. [QUOTE=James*;18130337]So do you speak Inuit?[/QUOTE] :iceburn:
I couldn't give a shit if his/her religious icon was a thong, if he's a good doctor then he/she can wear whatever he likes within reason and hygiene standards.
[QUOTE=FPChris;18118567]This is good, all these Muslim ladies with headscarfs usually piss off my girl friends because they're "Oppressing all women"[/QUOTE] It's their own choice :argh:
[QUOTE=The golden;18132253]You must realize that Muslim women (or any Middle Eastern women) have absolutely no rights. They're less than objects. So the male [B]NEVER [/B]get's blamed for anything.[/QUOTE] Eh we're getting there I heard they're going to let women drive in Saudi Arabia soon. good thing I go to Egypt every year if I didn't I'd probably turn gay or something :/
[QUOTE=Umi-hebi;18118646]bulletproof turbans[/QUOTE] That's actually an awesome idea. They should get working on those :D
Good.
[QUOTE=Jurikuer;18130033]That's fine, but doesn't it offend you when you hear a store clerk speaking his language and not knowing if hes talking shit about you or not? You never know what they're saying, and I find it's rude.[/QUOTE] Uh my parents talk Punjabi to me around Canadians before, big deal? They like speaking their native language, but they also speak fluent English. It's not up to you to choose what language they want to speak, and if they want to keep their customs. In fact Canada is well known for being multi cultural in this matter, letting people freely express their religious ways and customs they grew up with in the country they were born in.
[QUOTE=FPChris;18118567]This is good, all these Muslim ladies with headscarfs usually piss off my girl friends because they're "Oppressing all women"[/QUOTE] wow, so blatant discrimination is now allowed because of your stupid girlfriend? [QUOTE=lum1naire;18118587]Isn't France trying to do something like this to Muslim women, except they can't wear their veils or scarfs or whatever in public?[/QUOTE] Burka's not hijab's [QUOTE=johanz;18118619]You're in hospital, where religion shouldn't be at all.[/QUOTE] Yes, because wearing a head scarf TOTALLY makes you a religious zealot. [QUOTE=lum1naire;18118655]Instead of operating on this child that is dieing, I shall pray for him!!![/QUOTE] uh, I didn't know head scarf's make you do that. [QUOTE=Wii60;18118698]Wearing hats inside is rude[/QUOTE] why? I wear hats everywhere, fuck your rule [QUOTE=Malumbre;18120217]A problem that should be rectified.[/QUOTE] I'm an atheist and I think religion is silly but I also believe in freedom. So fuck your stupid ideas. [QUOTE=Athelus;18120332]Move to France, the laws there work as you would like them too. The USA is too overtly religious for it to make any sense to change things there.[/QUOTE] not really, they're banning the burka, that it. [QUOTE=Malumbre;18120452]And I say making a person conform to the dress code in a work place like [i]everyone else[/i] [B]regardless of their dumb fictional lifestyle isn't discrimination[/B].[/QUOTE] AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;18120605]Freedom of speech, press, and religion. These are values that I keep close to my heart always. You don't know how lucky and happy I feel to be American. I can believe whatever I want here, and I can do it openly. I won't get lynched or hanged for it. I can say my opinions without fear of death. America is an amazing country. I can go on for hours talking about how the American revolution flew in the face of everything that came before it.[/QUOTE] I like it when American's state how great a country America is because they aren't a third world country. [QUOTE=Malumbre;18120723]Tough. Fucking. Shit. It's the dress code. Apply elsewhere. I'm not gonna get up in arms 'cause I wanna wear my pants half-way down and bling bling around my neck in an office situation or whatever the case may be.[/QUOTE] Because it's SO easy to get a job, right? Malumbre, you're retarded, stop posting. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - GunFox))[/highlight]
Guys, this is a [I]Doctor[/I] She worked so hard to get to this point, and you can't just push her back down because she's wearing a headscarf You'll never appreciate such a position.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18120814]this area of discussion is unproductive new topic: why do they have instructions on shampoo bottle[/QUOTE] for people like malumbre [QUOTE=Malumbre;18120813]I don't think I'm above the world. I just don't see any reason to budge for religion. Also, forgive me for not being up on the latest bastardisation of the English language due to this 'it's cool to be ghetto" mentality our youth seems to have these days.[/QUOTE] You sure as hell act like it. You spelled bastardization wrong [editline]07:38PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Malumbre;18120865]Not in this case. Wear your head dress outside of the workplace. No one is stopping her there.[/QUOTE] So not only are you retarded, you're a hypocrite. ok, thanks for clearing that up [editline]07:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Malumbre;18121171]This is a stupid argument. Toplessness is considered indecent by everyone, including the law, not just a minority with obscure ideals. Also, that's discrimination involving gender, isn't it?[/QUOTE] as opposed to... [editline]07:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=pl0xinat0r;18122112]our laws should allow people who are not ethnic minorities not to be discriminated, i can honestly say, that white people are being discriminated more than any other culture. Banning publick holidays because they are only celebrated by white people, yet giving tax payers money to other cultures to celebrate their holidays; stopping training exercises for police because the 20 people who all signed up were all white, i mean, come on now.[/QUOTE] white people are not inany way discriminated you dumbass
Ah, Trotsky and his infamous dissection of every single post and putting them into a neat little pile then shitting on them. But I can't really complain because you're on my side of the argument :cheers: Where are you from?
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18122265]But that's because of the context. I'm pretty sure your genitals being fondled in the bedroom by a girl you're attracted to, and them getting fondled by some random person on the street will not feel the same t you.[/QUOTE] it would for me :smug: [editline]07:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Epidemic;18133148]Ah, Trotsky and his infamous dissection of every single post and putting them into a neat little pile then shitting on them. But I can't really complain because you're on my side of the argument :cheers: Where are you from?[/QUOTE] that's how I roll [img]http://www.zirconia3.com/cybercreep/OG_trotsky-dorag-wh.gif[/img] In all honesty, I gave up on arguing. also, Ireland. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;18133154]There is a dress-code, and everyone is expected to follow it. If someone thinks they're above the rules placed on everyone else, well tough luck.[/QUOTE] A religious symbol that is not really a big problem is sort of minute compared to the fact she's a doctor.
[QUOTE=The golden;18133154]There is a dress-code, and everyone is expected to follow it. If someone thinks they're above the rules placed on everyone else, well tough luck.[/QUOTE] "Tough Luck", is what you say, sticking your nose in the air But once you get placed in a similar situation you'll start moping when everyone else says "Tough Luck" People are so selfish nowadays. [editline]06:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;18133165] Ireland.[/QUOTE] k I'm going to read all your posts in an Irish accent for extra effect
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18122544]I don't care if she wears the damn thing in her own time, but not when someone is paying her to work for them and abide by a code EVERYONE ELSE has to abide by. Why shouldn't a doctor be allowed to wear a pirate hat?[/QUOTE] because... nevermind
[QUOTE=thisispain;18125128]Ok. But that's not the fucking argument, we are arguing whether it is just. I don't know why facepunch feels the need to repeat things over and over. I'm quite aware of the fucking dress-code, that's not the issue.[/QUOTE] They cannot make exceptions. Otherwise where does it stop? If I decide that god is in my hat, can I just wear my hat everywhere? What if I decide god is in a dildo and wear it on a chain everywhere? Is it not going to be allowed over headscarves simply because Islam is more popular? The only exceptions to dress codes you can realistically expect are for folks who have disabilities.
gah [editline]07:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Epidemic;18133230] k I'm going to read all your posts in an Irish accent for extra effect[/QUOTE] awesome
But the headscarf technically improves performance because it keeps hair out of the way THEREFORE A HEADSCARF IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE HAIRBAG THINGS THAT NURSES ALWAYS WEAR. [editline]07:01PM[/editline] [quote=trotsky][highlight](user was banned for this post ("flaming" - gunfox))[/highlight][/quote] trotsky nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[QUOTE=GunFox;18124308]Bawwwww, there is a dress code at work. Deal with it bitch.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, brilliantly fucking put. [editline]03:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;18125128]Ok. But that's not the fucking argument, we are arguing whether it is just. I'm quite aware of the fucking dress-code, that's not the issue.[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah, it is. And yeah, it is.
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