[QUOTE=tr00per7;39933980]go tell that to those rapists, im sure they will be all ears.[/QUOTE]
It's not just India though, it's the rapists. Similar things happen in the US and other developed countries.
Look you guys, you don't have to travel all the way to Mumbai or Bombay for India.
You can always go up north near the Himalayas.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39934006]It's not just India though, it's the rapists. Similar things happen in the US and other developed countries.[/QUOTE]
The problem isn't with rape but with education in general.
You can't just go around asking people politely not to rape anyone, you just have to make education better worldwide and hope for the best.
[QUOTE=buro;39932971]This is like something from a sick movie.
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And dead bodies
Only view this if you have a strong stomach
[url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html[/url][/QUOTE]
"COME ON GUYS LET'S GO SWIMMING! FIRST TO REACH THE CHARRED, BLOATED CORPSE IS THE WINNER!"
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39934025]The problem isn't with rape but with education in general.
You can't just go around asking people politely not to rape anyone, you just have to make education better worldwide and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
in an egalitarian society, rape is extremely rare. the problem lies in education, living standards, and societal perception of sex/women
[QUOTE=snookypookums;39933923]You are not wrong - unfortunately, the big problem is the strongly misogynistic nature amongst several Indian men owing to a mostly patriarchal society (there are exceptions to this in the South of India where things are quite different, for instance, the state of Kerala where I'm from).
Attitudes are beginning to change, but only in the cities, and slowly at that - it'll be several generations before villagers learn to stop treating their women like cattle or property but as equal human beings.
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Precisely - but condemning it based on a generalization would be as bizarre to me as it would be for me to declare the US a place full of redneck cowboys where I was most likely to get shot or lynched and strung up on a tree, and therefore a terrible country to visit. I accept that not every American possesses a gun, the likelihood of me getting shot is relatively low and on the whole, like Americans and have generally favorable experiences when I met them. Hell, one of my best friends is an American.[/QUOTE]
Obviously we just need to give each other pointers on what areas to avoid. Stay out of East St. Louis, or else someone will shoot, rape, and/or rob you.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39934025]The problem isn't with rape but with education in general.
You can't just go around asking people politely not to rape anyone, you just have to make education better worldwide and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]
You're agreeing with me. I never said to politely ask them not to rape.
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[QUOTE=Appellation;39934120]Obviously we just need to give each other pointers on what areas to avoid. Stay out of East St. Louis, or else someone will shoot, rape, and/or rob you.[/QUOTE]
That's classic victim blaming, though.
[QUOTE=Bobie;39934097]in an egalitarian society, rape is extremely rare. the problem lies in education, living standards, and societal perception of sex/women[/QUOTE]
There are so many reasons as to why rape exists that it's just impossible to get rid of it. Widely decreasing its numbers is still a possible thing though.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39934132]You're agreeing with me. I never said to politely ask them not to rape.
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That's classic victim blaming, though.[/QUOTE]
Would education be enough on its own? I think a change in the whole of society would be required, while education would eventually accomplish that, it wouldn't do much for the short-term.
[QUOTE=tdnoob;39934184]Would education be enough on its own? I think a change in the whole of society would be required, while education would eventually accomplish that, it wouldn't do much for the short-term.[/QUOTE]
There is no short term fix to rape dude, not unless you arm everyone everywhere with a taser.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39934214]There is no short term fix to rape dude, not unless you arm everyone everywhere with a taser.[/QUOTE]
And even then you wouldn't do shit because rapists would either drug their victims (which is already a very widespread mean) or systematically gang rape because there's only so much a taser can do.
[QUOTE=The golden;39934243]Yeah this is a fantastic idea nothing could ever go wrong.[/QUOTE]
lol you're blaming the victim, please quit. It's not her fault she got raped, it's the rapists fault.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]You want pics ? fine.
[img]http://images.inde.julienminard.com/bidonville_ahmedabad.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.oceanattitude.org/blog/public/Photos_alain/bidonville/INDE/VILEE/bidonville_de_Dharavi/.9063_dharavi-mumbai-india3_m.jpg[/img]
[img]http://nimg.sulekha.com/others/thumbnailfull/india-slums-2009-3-4-8-38-41.jpg[/img]
[img]http://bespokecashmere.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/slums-3.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
poverty
police brutality
rubbish dump
is that really how you sum up a country?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39934214]There is no short term fix to rape dude, not unless you arm everyone everywhere with a taser.[/QUOTE]
I know there is no short term fix but I'm sure there is something than can be done to at least reduce it in the short term, one that doesn't involve arming everyone. Maybe an increased awareness campaign, or increased psychological support. (they might be dumb ideas but someone with more knowledge on the subject would have better ones.). Just anything that can reduce it in the short-term while the long-term solutions are being implemented.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39934248]And even then you wouldn't do shit because rapists would either drug their victims (which is already a very widespread mean) or systematically gang rape because there's only so much a taser can do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think you're starting to see the problem.
There's nothing that can be done to stop it in the short term, it takes time and education to change the societal views that are relevant to rape.
[QUOTE=AK'z;39934255]poverty
police brutality
rubbish dump
is that really how you sum up a country?[/QUOTE]
If this is the shit that plagues a country then yes, it's how I'll sum up this country.
I don't care how pretty the landscape can be and how exotic the culture may appear, if your country is a poverty shithole there is no going around it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;39934255]poverty
police brutality
rubbish dump
is that really how you sum up a country?[/QUOTE]
It is when that's what the country is mostly made up of.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]
As for things that could hardly be captured in pictures, you've got the extremely archaic society [/QUOTE]
yeah dude, poverty is [I]so[/I] old-fashioned.
[QUOTE=AK'z;39934283]yeah dude, poverty is [I]so[/I] old-fashioned.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he's talking about the caste system.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39934278]If this is the shit that plagues a country then yes, it's how I'll sum up this country.[/QUOTE]
then you know literally nothing about the country and culture.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39934271]Yeah, I think you're starting to see the problem.
There's nothing that can be done to stop it in the short term, it takes time and education to change the societal views that are relevant to rape.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, yeah.
A good start for India would be to, you know, actually take legal measures against rape.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39934289]Pretty sure he's talking about the caste system.[/QUOTE]
again, where is the direct evidence that he's lived and breathed that culture.
He sums up the country with a few images of poverty. It's pathetic.
[I]hey African culture is just malnourished children and malaria.[/I]
[QUOTE=AK'z;39934305]again, where is the direct evidence that he's lived and breathed that culture.
He sums up the country with a few images of poverty. It's pathetic.
[I]hey African culture is just malnourished children and malaria.[/I][/QUOTE]
You're right, there's no valid evidence but the evidence one collects themselves through their own personal anecdotal eye witness account.
I apologise me lord, I shall hold my tongue in future.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]You want pics ? fine.
Pics
As for things that could hardly be captured in pictures, you've got the extremely archaic society (women who are either killed for being raped or have to marry their rapist.[/QUOTE]
What you're talking about are [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#India"]Honor killings[/URL]. We don't get them that much down south, and if it does happen, the asshole rots in jail. The women being forced to marry the rapist in recent times was a case, I believe, from Morocco. [URL="http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/indian-teen-kills-self-after-police-pressure-her-marry-rapist"]The only recent case of this coming to light in India was this, again, from the North.[/URL] Those responsible were sacked and the case was taken up and justice dispensed with unswerving swiftness.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]arranged marriages, etc)[/QUOTE]
Love marraiges are becoming more and more acceptable and arranged marraiges aren't as backward as you make them out to be. If you still think it's the standard "Girl doesn't get to see guy she married until wedding day", guess again. As for love marraiges - my dad met my mom on his way to work on the number 36 bus from Colaba to Wadala in Bombay and have been happily married for nearly 27 years now. Their parents were fine with it. Not that it was really necessary for this conversation, but I figured why the hell not.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]the terrible road security with constant death because driving in India is the same as holding the barrel of a loaded gun against your forehead [/QUOTE]
Can't help but agree with you there - driving here is a pain in the ass and the number of people who break laws are ridiculous. [I]Chutiyagiri[/I] (New word for you, it means assholishness in Hindi) is common and the failure of traffic and law enforcement due to the sheer number of people on the roads is partly to blame, along with the poor quality of imparting driving instruction to drivers. For instance, you know what my driving test was when I had to "qualify"? Put a car into first, drive down the road a bit, do a U turn and pull over. Thankfully I spent a good bulk of my life in the Middle East and my dad was taught how to drive there, so I learnt it properly from him.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]the massive inequality making slums grow right in front of huge financial buildings[/QUOTE]
People migrate from the villages to the cities in search of a better fortune because our Government has done fuckall for the people living in rural areas. There are hundreds of farmers committing suicide every year (seriously, just google farmer suicides and see if one of the suggestions isn't India on there) because they're corrupt as hell. A city can only handle so many people with a limited infrastructure and that's where slums come in. If I remember correctly, London used to have a lot of these shanty towns during the industrial revolution and even before that as well (until the Great Fire of London wiped them out). Slums, as condemnable as they are, are symptomatic of the government failing to keep their promises to the people in the rural areas which is why it happens. Combine this with a real estate pricing that's beyond ridiculous and a lack of low rent housing and slums are what you get. It's a major problem not just in Mumbai, but also in many cities such as Jakarta or Rio Di Janeiro. Unfortunately, it just happened that slumdog millionaire made ours most popular than most.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39933990]the utter lack of education, [/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/india_statistics.html#90"]Here is a UNICEF chart for India.[/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_states_ranking_by_literacy_rate"]Here is a chart of literacy by state.[/URL]
Look at the trends of education between the North and the South of India and draw your own conclusions. The biggest problem with India is that many people seem to forget that there is a polar opposite for any statistic you might find, which makes us the land of many a paradox.
huge crime rates, etc
[URL="http://www.shareacafe.com/crime-rates-in-indian-state-wise/"]Here are the most recent crime rates I could find. I apologize in advance for the shitty formatting.[/URL]
I apologize for the time it took me to write this, but I wanted to be thorough. I am not genuinely trying to pick a fight or anything, I merely want to clarify some of the things you've stated before you write us off. A lot of the generalizations that are made about India in the western world tend to be based on the North, but there's a completely different picture when you approach the largely ignored South portion of India.
[QUOTE=The golden;39934293]I'm sorry it's a simple fact that some parts of the world are dangerous. You take a risk going to these places.
If you have the choice between going to a dangerous place and not going - not going is always the safest option. She went and took the risk and was harmed. Especially with India where rape is very common. I'm not saying she deserves to be raped or that it's not horrible - it is. It's fucking disgusting and makes me want to puke.
but she should have known better when she made that choice on where to go.[/QUOTE]
It's a very harsh reality over there. Honestly, a complete refinement of systems should be done.
[QUOTE=The golden;39934293]I'm sorry it's a simple fact that some parts of the world are dangerous. You take a risk going to these places.
If you have the choice between going to a dangerous place and not going - not going is always the safest option. She went and took the risk and was harmed. Especially with India where rape is very common. I'm not saying she deserves to be raped or that it's not horrible - it is. It's fucking disgusting and makes me want to puke.
but she should have known better when she made that choice on where to go.[/QUOTE]
bringing it up after the fact does nothing but put blame on the victim
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39934342]bringing it up after the fact does nothing but put blame on the victim[/QUOTE]
Okay seriously is everything said against women or blaming the victim? It's unfortunate that it happened but you are rolling the dice by going into one of the most archaic and poor areas of India.
[quote]Actually, this is exactly how America does it, using violence to beat the Indians [Native Americans] to death, pushing the Asian, African, and poor out into the country, running the poor white people into the surrounding outskirts of the cities. America’s police are even more terrible than China’s chengguan. If you’re within two meters of a police officer, you have to raise your hands, otherwise American police have the right to shoot you dead.[/quote]
What the hell?
That is not how they do it. At all.
They do not routinely beat people to death, they do not run people out of town based off of ethnicity or poverty, and they DO NOT shoot people for getting too close.
Were the hell did that guy get his info?
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;39934420]What the hell?
That is not how they do it. At all.
They do not routinely beat people to death, they do not run people out of town based off of ethnicity or poverty, and they DO NOT shoot people for getting too close.
Were the hell did that guy get his info?[/QUOTE]
Probably the Chinese media.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;39934390]Okay seriously is everything said against women or blaming the victim? It's unfortunate that it happened but you are rolling the dice by going into one of the most archaic and poor areas of India.[/QUOTE]
But that being said, something should be done about it, rather than ignored because "hell, its the shit part of india, they are all rapists in that part so might as well never go there".
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