Putin confirms he will return as Russian President in 2012 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jund;32470685]There isn't much evidence to the contrary[/QUOTE] this happens every time a putin thread is made people post pictures and hand out a shitzillion winner ratings and sing his praises and then they're reminded that his government is corrupt as hell and it becomes what this thread is now if you don't believe me run a search for putin in thread titles maybe you're joking but i doubt the majority of the people on the first two pages were. i don't hold their ignorance against them, although in this case on this particular subject i do hold yours against you

[QUOTE=Mr. N;32470409]Anybody kinda notice he is doing the whole "Look at me doing cool, admirable, and nice things in these pictures" thing that Mussolini did? HE EVEN HAS A TIGER AS A PET. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Well Mussolini had a lion but still.[/QUOTE] Yes! Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these photos were almost exactly the same as Mussolini's.

[QUOTE=Kalibos2;32470736]this happens every time a putin thread is made people post pictures and hand out a shitzillion winner ratings and sing his praises and then they're reminded that his government is corrupt as hell and it becomes what this thread is now if you don't believe me run a search for putin in thread titles maybe you're joking but i doubt the majority of the people on the first two pages were. i don't hold their ignorance against them, although in this case on this particular subject i do hold yours against you[/QUOTE] That isn't evidence to the contrary, that's the situation in which the evidence became necessary. They're two completely different things. Why do you doubt they were joking? All the users were of the smarter, funnier kind, I fail to see why you doubt that.

Cone stop covering your tracks, you're terrible at it.

[QUOTE=fskman;32457069]He's a good leader and all, but does noone see the problem with him being in charge potentially until 2024? prez4lyfe and all that?[/QUOTE] I dunno. The same person being in charge for a long time isn't entirely bad when that person is good at what they do.

[QUOTE=Kalibos2;32470736]this happens every time a putin thread is made[/QUOTE] I would like to see 5 posts from different people where they state that Putin's government is not corrupt I can easily show you 5 posts from people who can't take a joke

[QUOTE=Jund;32470609]Or maybe it's because we're joking around[/QUOTE]Last time I tried arguing people tried to give credit to him for ridiculous things and when I said something about Stalin they tried to argue that Stalin was actually great for the country, there are people who seriously believe this shit.

I wanna meet this amazing man

[QUOTE=Paravin;32469806]The fact how much you guys love Putin makes me sick.[/QUOTE] Putin is pmuch a corrupt dictator, posing for set up photos of him doing everything. But he still comes off as somewhat cool. Just like if you look at a picture of stalin, you wouldn't suspect that this dude and his co had killed over 20 million people. His stache is just too bitchin' [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] The one thing I'm most irritated and agry about Russia is that those fuckers won't open their archives. it's closed and it won't be opened until the last member of the KGB stops breathing.

[QUOTE=Savaril;32470840]I dunno. The same person being in charge for a long time isn't entirely bad when that person is good at what they do.[/QUOTE] yeah it's not as if it's unethical is it

[img]http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2011/9/25/russia-protest-jpeg--606.jpg[/img] Feel bad for you Russian people if he wins 2012

Even though the people are suppressed, putin is russia's best bet, economy wise. And if the economy gets up, then the quality of life will be better as people can be paid more and buy more.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32475824]Why? If he wins, judging from his previous economic milestones, Russia will be even better.[/QUOTE] And more corrupt but who cares because the economy will be better right? :) If you want sources, here is a good book I have read:[url]http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=9113033212[/url] And Claes Ericson who is a Master of Business Administration is a well respected man and have written two more books about Russia. From his book, he links to more books about Russias corruption and how incredibly BAD Russia actually is. For example: Godfather of the Kremlin: The Decline of Russia in the Age of Gangster Capitalism by Paul Klebnikov (2000) Inside Putin's Russia by Andrew Jack (2004) Privatizing Russia by Maxim Boycko, Andrei Shleifer and Robert Vishny (1997) A bit old but still does the job. Russia Lost in Transtition: The Yeltsin and Putin Legacies by Lilia Shevtsova (2007) But I guess your information regarding the country is far better then my sources right? I mean, it's not like I have taken the liberty of reading and doing critical thought about Russia right?

[QUOTE=Torjuz;32475693][img]http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/2011/9/25/russia-protest-jpeg--606.jpg[/img] Feel bad for you Russian people if he wins 2012[/QUOTE] I can't read Russian, are those people for or against Putin?

[video=youtube;7xxgRUyzgs0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0&ob=av3e[/video] Thread music? But yeah, it's would be hard to argue Putin isn't corrupt as hell. The man has an iron grip on Russian politics. That being said, I think it's also hard to say that Russia isn't better off now than 15 years ago. Something's gotta give at some point, though. If he somehow manages to hold leadership till 2024, what then? Does he gracefully step down or does he try to prolong his power as long as possible? Admittedly I haven't done much research into the subject beyond a little reading on Wikipedia, so there's probably people here who know the subject much more than I do.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32476151]I'd take corrupt over starving to death any day. And you seem to still believe I think Russia is not corrupt, which is again funny because never have I stated it to be any different. :)[/QUOTE] Great, what about all the people who are scared about not getting their pensions correctly? What about all the people who are scared for telling the corrupt about what they feel? Why is that better then you know, getting an actual competent goverment? From your ITT post that was unnecessary is from where I got it.

For the record - Any statement I make that seems pro-Putin isn't any actual support, I'm merely joking around. I know nothing of present day Russian politics nor do I pretend I do, so I haven't much of a legitimate opinion on the guy other than the fact that he looks like a badass in many photos. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;32476494]Capitalism and democracy [I]destroyed [/I]Russia. Picture the Soviet Union as the neglecting mother who constantly drinks and smokes during her pregnancy and finally gives birth to the Russian Federation, it just couldn't become the -supposedly- glorious beacon of freedom and democracy like many other Western countries at the time overnight. Now I'm not saying that capitalism and democracy are entirely flawed (they are, just not entirely), but it's usually bad when you mix it with politicians who are so used to more totalitarian types of government, and it's even more of a bad mix when you have a population that's also used to the same exact harsh rule. Russia will take a long time to recover from the corruption and the crime rates that have almost [I]tripled [/I] after the collapse (which Putin also significantly reduced), mainly due to the huge number of ethical groups, the sheer size of the country which is a MAJOR factor in its economy and culture and the same generation that grew up during the Soviet 80's which were quite a turbulent time that was mainly caused by Gorbachev. (Glasnost and Perestroika).[/QUOTE] To be fair, capitalism and democracy is what destroyed the Soviet Union, which encompassed many more nations than just Russia. If you really want that argument, I think you would need to compare to every ex-Soviet nation to see if the corruption Russia has is the rule or the exception.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32476624]Okay, how do you exactly propose we get a 'competent government' for Russia? Are you aware that corruption is one of the most widespread plagues in governments worldwide and takes years if not decades to completely eradicate? And again, this is Russia we're talking about here. The largest country in the world with an insane number of practically everything, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes half a century to rid Russia fully of its inherited corruption.[/QUOTE] It's my personal belief that if someone tells you it can't change for a week, but you aim to change it by tomorrow, maybe you can manage to change it at least by the day after tomorrow. If it's going to take Russia 20 years to escape corruption, aim to stop it in 5 years and hopefully you'll have it gone by 10 years.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32476717]You cant really compare Russia to ex-Soviet nations. Russia was the base of it all. The Times Square of the Communist Bloc. It's foolish to compare it to say, Estonia or Latvia which were mere puppets of Russia. Ukraine and Belarus, which were major contributors to the Soviet Union in terms of economy and military might and also suffer from quite a lot of corruption issues. So it's basically the more you were involved with the SU the more corrupted you got after it collapsed.[/QUOTE] They weren't completely without a government, hailing straight to Moscow all the time. [QUOTE=Marbalo;32476717][editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Well, if only things were that easy we'd be living in a fucking utopia right about now.[/QUOTE] I never said it was easy.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32475995]I can't read Russian, are those people for or against Putin?[/QUOTE] They're against.

Basically it all comes down to the same what was with Khrushchev, everyone thought he was a nice guy except the people who lived in his country since he did absolutely nothing good to it. [editline]26th September 2011[/editline] [B]Being a russian myself I would rather accept Putin as a badass guy instead of hating him because the latter won't get me anywhere anyway.[/B]

[QUOTE=Marbalo;32476624]Okay, how do you exactly propose we get a 'competent government' for Russia? Are you aware that corruption is one of the most widespread plagues in governments worldwide and takes years if not decades to completely eradicate? And again, this is Russia we're talking about here. The largest country in the world with an insane number of practically everything, and I wouldn't be surprised if it takes half a century to rid Russia fully of its inherited corruption.[/QUOTE] I have no idea on how to reform a goverment. I'm just learning about what's wrong and then I'll do my best to learn about new ideas on how to help Russia. Of course I am. Why do you think I am talking about corruption so much in Russia? Jesus, I have just read about the crazy state Russia is in and as well as what has happened in their history. That Russian anti-corruption campaign doesn't seem to be going well but at least it's a step in the right way so yay Russia!

As much as the American in me screams dictatorship, Putin turned his country back from the brink of total economic collapse. I'm not a Russian, but a guy who managed to get his country back on track so well doesn't sound like a bad choice if you had to have someone stay in power for decades.

[QUOTE=DarkendSky;32477777]As much as the American in me screams dictatorship, Putin turned his country back from the brink of total economic collapse. I'm not a Russian, but a guy who managed to get his country back on track so well doesn't sound like a bad choice if you had to have someone stay in power for decades.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.nndb.com/people/197/000025122/ahitler.jpg[/img] Yo.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;32475814]Even though the people are suppressed, putin is russia's best bet, economy wise. And if the economy gets up, then the quality of life will be better as people can be paid more and buy more.[/QUOTE]Why do you think that, do you think the oligarchs, or other thugs who run the country will miss him?

[QUOTE=Savaril;32470840]I dunno. The same person being in charge for a long time isn't entirely bad when that person is good at what they do.[/QUOTE] while he may be doing an okay job now, it really sets a horrible precedent for any less-than-competent successors.

[img]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1499/sp25rtr2esa3.jpg[/img] putin was my dad when i was a baby moose

At least he wins by popular vote. [img]http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/06/24/al-gore-sex-allegations_370x278.jpg[/img] Democracy is endlessly flawed the world over.

[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;32477521]That Russian anti-corruption campaign doesn't seem to be going well [/QUOTE]Really unfair criticism to be honest. Getting rid of corruption takes ages, due to the fact that it's hidden and the parties involved in the corruption have no reason to reveal what they're doing, because they are benefitted by it. In order to reveal corruption from the outside you have to go through a lot of paperworks. That takes a lot of time, and since the anti-corruption campaign started only two years ago, it's unrealistic to demand any results this soon.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;32470790]Cone stop covering your tracks, you're terrible at it.[/QUOTE] Huh? Wha? What about me? I'm confused.