Clinton Used Special Program to Delete Emails (BleachBit) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;50954147]Ive been screaming this from the rooftops for what feels like ages. [/QUOTE] People ignore you because they are actually invested in the process and not really interested in your apathy. [editline]26th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Solo Wing;50954147] People wonder why I don't want to vote this year. It's like asking me if I want to drink a bleach and ammonia cocktail or go soak in a hot bath of acid. I'd rather kick the shit out of the person who offered me that "choice" to begin with.[/QUOTE] Who'd you vote for in your states primary?

I support hillary over trump for many obvious reasons, but perhaps you should step back and look at yourself when every time a piece of evidence comes out against hillary, the default response is "trump did it worse!" Yeah, we get it. but that response is akin a 4 year old excusing his actions with "he started it!"

[QUOTE=da space core;50954202]I support hillary over trump for many obvious reasons, but perhaps you should step back and look at yourself when every time a piece of evidence comes out against hillary, the default response is "trump did it worse!" Yeah, we get it. but that response is akin a 4 year old excusing his actions with "he started it!"[/QUOTE] Someone made a comment about Clinton not attending press conferences and srobins immediately compared her to Trump so if you read the thread I think you got that one backwards there.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50954101]:snip:[/QUOTE] Thanks for being snarky instead of just replying like a normal person. I asked you what you disagree with and you reply with "we disagree". Really helpful.

It's pretty dubious to me to claim that the use of this sort of software was used in a malicious way. The obvious answer to me is that Clinton's staff used it when they were decommissioning one of the servers. This was mentioned by the FBI director when he was talking about their investigation.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;50954218]It's pretty dubious to me to claim that the use of this sort of software was used in a malicious way. The obvious answer to me is that Clinton's staff used it when they were decommissioning one of the servers. This was mentioned by the FBI director when he was talking about their investigation.[/QUOTE] If it weren't for the fact that numerous work related emails were destroyed in preparation for the investigation, I would agree with you, but the fact that they recovered so much that would have been relevant yet was not turned over signals to me that they did something naughty.

That is if it was even used at all. It seems to me like it's some congressman talking about this random software he found on google [editline]26th August 2016[/editline] Automergeeee [editline]26th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;50954221]If it weren't for the fact that numerous work related emails were destroyed in preparation for the investigation, I would agree with you, but the fact that they recovered so much that would have been relevant yet was not turned over signals to me that they did something naughty.[/QUOTE] Do you have evidence that they were deleted in preparation or were they just deleted sometime before?

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;50954228]Do you have evidence that they were deleted in preparation or were they just deleted sometime before?[/QUOTE]I think it would be more nefarious if it was specifically for the investigation but none of this should have happened in the first place, if it was anyone else they would have been fucked so hard but Hillary Clinton gets a free pass. Several actually. Then there are people who are legitimately confused as to why people are angry about this, I think it should be obvious.

[QUOTE=Krahn;50953253]Wow, yeah, there's no denying the intent if someone explicitly wants to securely delete something. Nice big fuck-you to the FOIA, christ. "You want access to our publicly-funded correspondence and actions? Fuck you, we nuked it from orbit. Suck it tax-payer." On the topic of Bleachbit: I've honestly never seen any reason to do anything more than a couple of runs of: dd -if /dev/urandum of=/dev/$yourdrive (Reads a shit-ton of random numbers, and writes them onto whatever drive you put in. Nukes pretty much everything on it, on a very low level). After the second run, whatever after-image that might be recoverable from just zero-ing the drive is as-good-as gone. At their core, all "Secure Delete" software does pretty much the same thing. I mean, you need a Linux machine for the "dd" command, but anyone that has a need to do this, would probably have that. Honestly, if you want data on a drive to be absolutely gone, light it up with termite, blow it up, crush it in a machine.[/QUOTE] You don't even need a machine you need an arch or debian stick

Why not just delete partition? What's the different between that and this program?

[QUOTE=Sims_doc;50955201]Why not just delete partition? What's the different between that and this program?[/QUOTE] Deleting the partition only removes the partition info, all of the file data in the partition is still on the disk. Basically the OS just says "this isn't here anymore" but the actual binary file data is untouched - trivial for the right software to rebuild.

[QUOTE=Sims_doc;50955201]Why not just delete partition? What's the different between that and this program?[/QUOTE] It's the difference between throwing confidential paperwork into the trash bin (where someone could find them with enough dedication at dumpster diving) and burning the paperwork to fine ash with thermite, collecting the ashes and pulverizing them into dust, and then loading the dust onto a rocket and firing the rocket into the sun. The process takes a lot longer than simply repartitioning the drive, too, for much the same reason.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50955267]It's the difference between throwing confidential paperwork into the trash bin (where someone could find them with enough dedication at dumpster diving) and burning the paperwork to fine ash with thermite, collecting the ashes and pulverizing them into dust, and then loading the dust onto a rocket and firing the rocket into the sun. The process takes a lot longer than simply repartitioning the drive, too, for much the same reason.[/QUOTE] Heck, it's not even throwing paperwork into the trash. It's more like throwing away the post-it note on your table that tells you which cabinet the document was stored in.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50955288]Heck, it's not even throwing paperwork into the trash. It's more like throwing away the post-it note on your table that tells you which cabinet the document was stored in.[/QUOTE] There are a few different ways you could formulate the analogy, yeah. I went for a simple one, because you are marking the space that file uses as free to overwrite, but it doesn't actually get overwritten right away. In the analogy, it's like throwing something into a recycling bin that doesn't get emptied that often and is emptied in random amounts instead of all at once -- there's a significant chance of finding what you want in the heap of paper if it was tossed recently enough. Point being a standard OS delete/repartition call doesn't actually touch the data on the disk until you need that space for something else, while pro-grade data erasure software makes the contents of the disk [I]gone[/I].

I wish we had a candidate like Trey Gowdy run for president, but hes stated numerous times that he wont. The states would be a hell of a lot better if there were more congressmen like him. People who do their homework and dont bring opinion/emotion into decisions but rather operate entirely off of law and logic.

Is there any proof that she used this other than the website claiming to have a testimonial? Can't watch the video right now but the article isn't clear. Also, you only need to do one pass to be unreadable. There is no "ghost data" unless you're using an SSD.

[QUOTE=Jon MadN;50954050]Question Hillary and you're an alt-right trump supporting misogonist[/QUOTE] Says who? 90% of Facepunch absolutely detests Hillary. Most of us simply happen to think Trump's even worse in most respects, because he and his policies are objectively worse for most Americans. Sadly, this election won't be a choice of which candidate Americans want - but which one they don't want if forced to choose between two lying assholes.

When it comes to dogging Hillary for shady computer-related stuff I'm usually the first person to respond but I feel like in a sector where information is so valuable (like politics) that tools such as this would be standard. [editline]27th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sims_doc;50955201]Why not just delete partition? What's the different between that and this program?[/QUOTE] When you delete something, you aren't actually deleting the data. You're just deleting all the data that says "this file is occupying this space and is located here" et cetera, the actual data is still there and can be recovered. This program goes in and flips all the bits randomly a bunch of times so it's completely unrecoverable, even with bleeding-edge recovery tools.

You know what's strange, I always thought that was when you formatted not deleted the partition because the partition is pretty much a container that holds water in it and if you remove the container the water disappears down the drain.

I can't tell if people defend her because they think she's actually a good candidate or because beating trump is all that matters. Not that that's a bad reason, if I bothered to vote I'd vote for her. It'll stave off reversal of progress that would come from a republican president but I feel like we could be getting something more. I hope 2024 will have a better political climate for politicians like Bernie to have a run at the white house without just being beaten by name recognition and money.

[QUOTE=srobins;50953289]Just makes it more of a laugh that Comey and the FBI let her off on the "intent" exemption. Once again, are we supposed to believe she accidentally installed and used this software?[/QUOTE] Well if someone did it without direct orders from her then she's still off the hook. An employee might have thought shits going down and wants to cover their ass

[QUOTE=Krahn;50953253]Wow, yeah, there's no denying the intent if someone explicitly wants to securely delete something. Nice big fuck-you to the FOIA, christ. "You want access to our publicly-funded correspondence and actions? Fuck you, we nuked it from orbit. Suck it tax-payer." On the topic of Bleachbit: I've honestly never seen any reason to do anything more than a couple of runs of: dd -if /dev/urandum of=/dev/$yourdrive (Reads a shit-ton of random numbers, and writes them onto whatever drive you put in. Nukes pretty much everything on it, on a very low level). After the second run, whatever after-image that might be recoverable from just zero-ing the drive is as-good-as gone. At their core, all "Secure Delete" software does pretty much the same thing. I mean, you need a Linux machine for the "dd" command, but anyone that has a need to do this, would probably have that. Honestly, if you want data on a drive to be absolutely gone, light it up with termite, blow it up, crush it in a machine.[/QUOTE] I don't even see how ddrescue would help if a hard drive was securely erased. Only time I used it was to rescue a laptop hard drive that had sectors failing left and right. Took about a week before it was finished. Still lost 60mb out of a 500gb drive and no personal info lost but that is what the tool is really designed for. Take a RAW dump of a source drive and throw it into a large as fuck file to place on another drive. If the data was erased securely (multiple passes with random data) then all you would get is just that, random data. Nothing in the world can change that. Even then to make sure that sometime in the future we get the technology to figure out what was the last x number of polarizations on this section of this platter, your better off throwing it at a rare earth magnet (or take the bitch apart and use the rare earth magnet included free with every purchase of a hard drive) or a wood chipper.

Like I said, you only need one pass and you don't need to randomize the data either, just zero it out (sans SSDs) Exploding it is pretty effective, though. All of this still doesn't prove Hillary/her team used this though.