Tory attack ad misrepresents Corbyn views on IRA, says Labour - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;52308337]There's a load of Scandinavian and other European countries with far more comparable economies and policies but let's go with Venezuela. Even if Corbyn's policies don't benefit you, they're not going to lead to catastrophe. At worst we have to raise taxes more than we'd like or reduce some of the spending commitments.[/QUOTE] Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [URL]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/URL] [URL]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/URL] Second of all, Corbyn's views and policies have relatively little in common with more traditional social democracy [URL]https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat[/URL]

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308462]Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [url]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/url] [url]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/url] Second of all, it's Corbyn's views and policies have relatively little in common with more traditional social democracy [url]https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat[/url][/QUOTE] I don't doubt that Corbyn himself is further left than the party or manifesto, however he's not a dictator - he needs the support of the PLP and the compromise between them is the policy we see in the manifesto. Also, can you source something which isn't so far right that Nigel Farage would do a double take?

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308462]Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [URL]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/URL] [URL]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/URL] [/QUOTE] this is satire, right you cannot possibly be this oblivious this is the nuttiest fucking source

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308208]Look, all I'm trying to say is that the Tories aren't evil and Corbyn is not a saint. [/QUOTE] And what I'm saying is that I couldn't care less either way. It doesn't matter to me whether the Tories could be a group of evil bastards, Or just out of touch rich people with a drastically different set of values- If the end result is the same.

Their record is so poor ([URL="http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/"]they always borrow more and pay back less than labour[/URL]) that they have to resort to ridiculous character assassination attempts like this.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308462]Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [URL]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/URL] [URL]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/URL] Second of all, Corbyn's views and policies have relatively little in common with more traditional social democracy [URL]https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat[/URL][/QUOTE] your source is a blog? written buy a guy who spent years [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines"]throwing "acid parties?"[/URL] its obvious now that you are just digging around for anything that conforms to your world views

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308462]Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [URL]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/URL] [URL]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/URL] Second of all, Corbyn's views and policies have relatively little in common with more traditional social democracy [URL]https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat[/URL][/QUOTE] Wow, legit sources. And yes he is very much a social democrat, look up the definition.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308462]Well first of all Corbyn and his supporters are staunch defenders and even supporters of Venezuela [URL]https://order-order.com/2012/10/05/pro-chavez-labour-mps-fly-to-venezuela/[/URL] [URL]https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/corbyns-venezuelan-comrades-pass-forced-labour-law/[/URL] Second of all, Corbyn's views and policies have relatively little in common with more traditional social democracy [URL]https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-corbyn-is-not-just-a-normal-social-democrat[/URL][/QUOTE] This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is known in debate terms as a 'complete loss of authority'.

I love it when people say social democracy doesn't work because just look at Venezuela(insert any other pseudo dictatorships) right? Let's just completely ignore all of Scandinavia

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308208]Look, all I'm trying to say is that the Tories aren't evil and Corbyn is not a saint. I will freely admit that the governments of the last 7 years have done a lot of things which have negatively impacted a large amount of people in this country. However under every and all types of governments, there are always going to be people who suffer as a result of their actions. If you want to vote for Labour or any other party, I completely understand why but don't be surprised when good intentioned policies and platitudes don't translate into good outcomes. Just because you might have only seen a negative impact on your life by this government, doesn't mean that this government has sought only to cause people pain. You can call them out of touch, ignorant or misguided but it doesn't change the fact that they still believe themselves to be doing the right thing. For Example They genuinely consider Corbyn to be a threat to national security, not because they're some rich powerful elite seeking to defend their interests and those of others. But because they're patriots who see Corbyn as someone who has consistently sided with people who have threatened this country. Now you might (even rightly) believe these views to be outright wrong, but they've come to hold these views entirely sincerely based on their own individual experiences. I hope you can understand that I and many others in this country have not shared your experiences and so have not reached the same conclusions about this government as you have.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't need to personally go through a horrible situation to be capable of empathy

Capitalism doesn't work guys, just look at Haiti.

[QUOTE=Xavith;52308936]I love it when people say social democracy doesn't work because just look at Venezuela(insert any other pseudo dictatorships) right? Let's just completely ignore all of Scandinavia[/QUOTE] And let's completely ignore that uk labour wants to renationalise trains and post, which are already nationalised in Australia, which is not a democratic socialist country. But no, corbyn is literally che Guevara 2.0 for wanting to build more council houses

[QUOTE=The mouse;52308316]Even if that were true, don't act like it's a phenomenon exclusive to the Conservatives. Corbyn and his allies continue to identify as democratic socialists despite the utter failure of states like Venezuela because as you put it "Feels before Reals"[/QUOTE] Using Venezuela as an example of democratic socialism lmao. How about Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc?

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;52309287]Using Venezuela as an example of democratic socialism lmao. How about Denmark, Sweden, Norway etc?[/QUOTE] No, you see- Life is actually pretty great in those countries, so it doesn't really fit the Labour = doom for all narrative. Best not to mention them.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52309347]No, you see- Life is actually pretty great in those countries, so it doesn't really fit the Labour = doom for all narrative. Best not to mention them.[/QUOTE] Or do mention them and call special attention to nebulous hordes of migrant terrorists and 'PC gone mad!' policies

How anyone can actually believe in the Tory pledge of strong and stable is honestly beyond me. They are bad at getting us out of debt. They literally just destabilised the economy with a move to leave a major trade union, not to mention the potential repercussions with our already restless neighbours. They are bad at maintaining vital public services. Homelessness is rampant. They aren't even good at fighting terrorism on either a national or international level. Especially Theresa May. Too frightened to appear in debates. Too weak to oppose Trump in any real capacity. Too cowardly to stick to her own principles. It honestly feels like a joke seeing the Tory slogan plastered beneath her uncharismatic face.

[QUOTE=Rufia;52309698]How anyone can actually believe in the Tory pledge of strong and stable is honestly beyond me. They are bad at getting us out of debt. They literally just destabilised the economy with a move to leave a major trade union, not to mention the potential repercussions with our already restless neighbours. They are bad at maintaining vital public services. Homelessness is rampant. They aren't even good at fighting terrorism on either a national or international level. Especially Theresa May. Too frightened to appear in debates. Too weak to oppose Trump in any real capacity. Too cowardly to stick to her own principles. It honestly feels like a joke seeing the Tory slogan plastered beneath her uncharismatic face.[/QUOTE] Honestly, she's the best leader they've ever had. She exemplifies the party to its core, a bunch of shaky rich twats with a "Stop the world, I want to get off" attitude, who literally don't care about anything other than themselves. "Strong and Stable [for my bank account]"