• The Police Raided a 9-Year-Old to Confiscate Her Winnie the Pooh Laptop
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While I don't agree with piracy entirely, I still think that we shouldn't focus so much as we do globally on it. While I'm sure that it must be worse in some countries than others, we shouldn't care so much about that one person downloading a fucking song, album, etc. Over a possible murder or some other serious crime going on in that same time frame. It's bullshit because they bought the album anyways.
[QUOTE=Swiket;38557722][img]http://user-generated-content.java-gaming.org/img-vault/453340a2d0f6944c1b6bded1dea601e36f682182ebddfad0ffc9182724216a7e.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I would if I could
[QUOTE=Andokool12;38555885]The files "didn't work" and they paid for a legal copy afterwards...[/QUOTE] Solution: give them more money! :downs:
[QUOTE=GameDev;38557132]Why does it seem that people only get raided or sued when it comes to music? I've never heard a story of someone getting busted for downloading thousands of dollars worth of software, but when it comes to a little girl downloading 2 or 3 songs, holy shit call the fucking swat. hell I know at least 10 people who pirate every game that comes out.[/QUOTE] RIAA, there's no software producers union
Solution send them to Siberia for eternal labour to pay compensations for their victims. (I'm so angry)
[video=youtube;qPEeaxI0OPU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPEeaxI0OPU[/video] standard issue for any and all piracy threads
[QUOTE=DeEz;38556810]ding ding ding[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was justified. I was mocking the usual 'police state' bullshit that comes up in threads like these. Spoiled brats of western democracies who'll cry police state at anything they perceive injust - correctly or not. They should see what an actual police state is, or read up on basic history. [QUOTE=Ybbats;38556838]Why do you show up in every piracy thread just to disagree without ever using factual arguments to support your opinion? Oh right, it's because your opinions are incredibly stupid and not based on logic at all, and you're nothing more than an idiotic troll.[/QUOTE] Clearly you can't read the metaphor on the wall
this kind of shit makes me paranoid to download stuff even though I never use tpb
[QUOTE=ccg;38558114]this kind of shit makes me paranoid to download shit even though I never use tpb[/QUOTE] It really depends on where you live. For instance, small countries like Finland are at risk more if you pirate because it's easier to find somebody than in a place like China or America where you would have to hunt them down. Also how your isp stands with anti-piracy.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;38558186]It really depends on where you live. For instance, small countries like Finland are at risk more if you pirate because it's easier to find somebody than in a place like China or America where you would have to hunt them down. Also how your isp stands with anti-piracy.[/QUOTE] Either way the actual incidence rate of being caught/prosecuted/tracked down/whatever is incredibly low. I don't advocate pirating. But enforcement is really lackluster.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;38558186]It really depends on where you live. For instance, small countries like Finland are at risk more if you pirate because it's easier to find somebody than in a place like China or America where you would have to hunt them down. Also how your isp stands with anti-piracy.[/QUOTE] I have time warner cable and I don't really know where they stand on anti-privacy I also think it really has to do with what you download. These kind of people tend to be after those who download today's top 40 hits, or stuff similar to that; compared to more obscure stuff.
[QUOTE=ccg;38558215]I have time warner cable and I don't really know where they stand on anti-privacy I also think it really has to do with what you download. These kind of people tend to be after those who download today's top 40 hits, or stuff similar to that; compared to more obscure stuff.[/QUOTE] My step-mom works for Time Warner Cable, they say that they're going to stop pirates, but they've been saying that for years but she says that her boss told her it's a lie and they're only doing it to get the media off their backs and to shut them up. Also, another interesting fact. Big music and movie companies download popular torrents themselves just to count off how many people are downloading/seeding it.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;38558270]My step-mom works for Time Warner Cable, they say that they're going to stop pirates, but they've been saying that for years but she says that her boss told her it's a lie and they're only doing it to get the media off their backs and to shut them up. Also, another interesting fact. Big music and movie companies download popular torrents themselves just to count off how many people are downloading/seeding it.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, really? That kinda takes the paranoia off my back. That's kinda sleezy of big music/movie companies though.
The effect piracy has on a lot of top-tier companies (take Valve for example) is pretty much negligible
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38558584]The effect piracy has on a lot of top-tier companies (take Valve for example) is pretty much negligible[/QUOTE] spore
[QUOTE=scout1;38558748]spore[/QUOTE] Spore had a horrible DRM policy so in [B]my opinion[/B] they deserved to lose every penny they did from piracy People usually pirate because of asinine prices or horrible DRM/Company policies When people are treated like actual customers by a company instead of wild animals that must be contained, they don't feel compelled to pirate their products nearly as much as ones that do
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;38558767]Spore had a horrible DRM policy so in [B]my opinion[/B] they deserved to lose every penny they did from piracy People usually pirate because of asinine prices or horrible DRM/Company policies When people are treated like actual customers by a company instead of wild animals that must be contained, they don't feel compelled to pirate their products nearly as much as ones that do[/QUOTE] The philisophy of deserved wealth is a long one (that I won't get into), but the simple policy that most governments follow and I adhere to is that as long as people are willing consumers and the relationship is not harmful (i.e. monopoly), there is an absolute right to it. So whilst cod generic #1234 might be a shitty game that doesn't mean you can go pirate it. If you don't like it - DON'T BUY IT. Don't use it. Don't touch it. If the product is worth your attention and money, then buy it. If it's not, ignore it. That is how the free market thrives.
it's ridiculous how the police become more and more enforcers for the government or big corporate interests rather than serving the public [editline]23rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;38558870]The philisophy of deserved wealth is a long one (that I won't get into), but the simple policy that most governments follow and I adhere to is that as long as people are willing consumers and the relationship is not harmful (i.e. monopoly), there is an absolute right to it. So whilst cod generic #1234 might be a shitty game that doesn't mean you can go pirate it. If you don't like it - DON'T BUY IT. Don't use it. Don't touch it. If the product is worth your attention and money, then buy it. If it's not, ignore it. That is how the free market thrives.[/QUOTE] uhhhh spore was an example of the free market at work, spore was shit so noone paid for it so it flopped. if it was a good game people would have brought it. that seems to me like text book voting-with-your-wallet? that people still played it is irrelevant
How is it that in a country such as Finland, they can track and seize the laptop of a little girl, yet my room-mate, who is dumber than a pole when it comes to internet anonymity, has downloaded over 320 gigs of horror movies?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38558875] uhhhh spore was an example of the free market at work, spore was shit so noone paid for it so it flopped. if it was a good game people would have brought it. that seems to me like text book voting-with-your-wallet? that people still played it is irrelevant[/QUOTE] 2m pirated copies means people wanted the product. The problem is that pirated copies aren't sold copies, they're circumventing the law and the market and causing harm to the latter. And no, it is not a simple matter of a 'good game' meaning a bought game. Besides the fallibility of defining what a good game is, the important thing in business is reaching customers. It doesn't matter if it's the best fucking game ever if nobody cares or knows. Nor does it matter if it's the worst game ever if everyone buys it, why do you think blops2 exists? [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ewitwins;38558915]How is it that in a country such as Finland, they can track and seize the laptop of a little girl, yet my room-mate, who is dumber than a pole when it comes to internet anonymity, has downloaded over 320 gigs of horror movies?[/QUOTE] Despite what the TV tells you, every government is not a hivemind of surveillance. Nor does every crime go reported, noticed, prosecuted, checked in, convicted, etc. There's dozens of sections of different police forces that could stop it, or not. They're all of varying inefficiency and effectiveness. It's not random, but it is based on factors outside anyone's control.
[QUOTE=scout1;38558929]2m pirated copies means people wanted the product. The problem is that pirated copies aren't sold copies, they're circumventing the law and the market and causing harm to the latter. And no, it is not a simple matter of a 'good game' meaning a bought game. Besides the fallibility of defining what a good game is, the important thing in business is reaching customers. It doesn't matter if it's the best fucking game ever if nobody cares or knows. Nor does it matter if it's the worst game ever if everyone buys it, why do you think blops2 exists? [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] Despite what the TV tells you, every government is not a hivemind of surveillance. Nor does every crime go reported, noticed, prosecuted, checked in, convicted, etc. There's dozens of sections of different police forces that could stop it, or not. They're all of varying inefficiency and effectiveness. It's not random, but it is based on factors outside anyone's control.[/QUOTE] well i think that if people were incapable of pirating spore they still wouldn't have brought it. it was pirated so heavily for specific reasons not just because noone wanted to pay for it. so yeah, inferior product noone wants to pay for so it sinks, free market! and also it IS pretty much random, these anti piracy groups find people they think have been pirating, try to scare them into paying them off and if they don't they report them to the police. it's just bad luck if they pick you or not
I can't wait for people to be punished for illegally duplicating songs when they hear it in their head. Then world peace will be achieved and the music industry will get the money they deserve, I can't sleep with the thought of them not being able to afford their luxury SUVs.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38558988]well i think that if people were incapable of pirating spore they still wouldn't have brought it. it was pirated so heavily for specific reasons not just because noone wanted to pay for it. so yeah, inferior product noone wants to pay for so it sinks, free market! and also it IS pretty much random, these anti piracy groups find people they think have been pirating, try to scare them into paying them off and if they don't they report them to the police. it's just bad luck if they pick you or not[/QUOTE] Okay and if the game failed spectacularly - GOOD! By all means spore was not a game well received by the consumer base, the critics, or myself. If the product did not do well, more like it would not be created. Meaning they'd be forced to change things. A good game might be released. Shockingly enough, the free market works when you don't bypass it completely. The thing is - That's not what happened. You pirated it. You all pirated it. Two million people pirated it. What does that say? The game is worth my time. Except - Not at that price. Well they don't want to lower the unit price. That cuts into profits too much. So they make the sensible business decision. They raise the cost of the inferior (as you so noted) product, which debuts at a cheaper price (free or negligibly costing in bandwidth/electricity). They do this by making it HARDER to pirate, more costly in time, effort, and with the possibility of legal action. It costs them a lot less to do that than to make their game more accessible. They're making up the profit you're taking away.
[QUOTE=YourFriendJoe;38557009]You know when you're downloading a torrent you can find an entire list of IP's downloading the same torrent right?[/QUOTE] Yea, that's how I got caught downloading a movie.
[QUOTE=scout1;38559048]Okay and if the game failed spectacularly - GOOD! By all means spore was not a game well received by the consumer base, the critics, or myself. If the product did not do well, more like it would not be created. Meaning they'd be forced to change things. A good game might be released. Shockingly enough, the free market works when you don't bypass it completely. The thing is - That's not what happened. You pirated it. You all pirated it. Two million people pirated it. What does that say? The game is worth my time. Except - Not at that price. Well they don't want to lower the unit price. That cuts into profits too much. So they make the sensible business decision. They raise the cost of the inferior (as you so noted) product, which debuts at a cheaper price (free or negligibly costing in bandwidth/electricity). They do this by making it HARDER to pirate, more costly in time, effort, and with the possibility of legal action. It costs them a lot less to do that than to make their game more accessible. They're making up the profit you're taking away.[/QUOTE] except like i said, if it couldn't have been pirated noone would have brought it. 2 million pirated copies doesn't mean they were gonna sell 2 million if piracy wasn't an issue. and there were no sensible business decisions involved with spore, that's why it flopped. with the state of the internet today it has never been easier to pirate shit, so if piracy WAS such an issue then EVERY game would be getting fucked like spore. but it's not an issue and good games still thrive and even some shit games still thrive.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559077]except like i said, if it couldn't have been pirated noone would have brought it.[/QUOTE] what makes you so certain of this? i left my mass mind reading paralysis lasers in my other quantum superbrain
[QUOTE=shut up idiot;38559088]lol what makes you so certain of this?[/QUOTE] because like i said there were very specific reasons everyone pirated it. it wasn't just a case of 'hey i don't have to pay for this! wicked!'
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559105]because like i said there were very specific reasons everyone pirated it. it wasn't just a case of 'hey i don't have to pay for this! wicked!'[/QUOTE] i don't give a shit what you said, a portion of those 2 million people would have paid the money for it if they had no clue what piracy was and you can't exclude them entirely because you "think they wouldn't"
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559077]except like i said, if it couldn't have been pirated noone would have brought it. 2 million pirated copies doesn't mean they were gonna sell 2 million if piracy wasn't an issue. and there were no sensible business decisions involved with spore, that's why it flopped. with the state of the internet today it has never been easier to pirate shit, so if piracy WAS such an issue then EVERY game would be getting fucked like spore. but it's not an issue and good games still thrive and even some shit games still thrive.[/QUOTE] Two million people torrented Spore, a lot of those two people could have torrented it, played it and uninstalled. You do not know how many people actually wanted spore but torrented since they did not find the price right. Just because something is torrented a lot does not mean it was even well received and even played.The song "Friday" for example has 43 million views, most of those views are people who hate the song I am assuming since there is 800k dislikes to 230k likes. There are a lot of people who torrent to try and if they enjoy it end up buying the game. Music on the other hand or movies not so much. CoD for instance, you can have a torrented version and play online, but only with people who have a cracked edition; so if a person enjoyed the cracked edition they might go and buy the game.
[QUOTE=shut up idiot;38559113]i don't give a shit what you said, a portion of those 2 million people would have paid the money for it if they had no clue what piracy was and you can't exclude them entirely because you "think they wouldn't"[/QUOTE] lol so you ask me a question but you don't give a shit about what my answer is? if you're gonna be passive aggressive don't talk to me.
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