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[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559181]lol so you ask me a question but you don't give a shit about what my answer is? if you're gonna be passive aggressive don't talk to me.[/QUOTE] don't try to redirect, you know exactly what i said. when all you've got to cite is yourself you should probably stop posting.
[QUOTE=scout1;38559048]Okay and if the game failed spectacularly - GOOD! By all means spore was not a game well received by the consumer base, the critics, or myself. If the product did not do well, more like it would not be created. Meaning they'd be forced to change things. A good game might be released. Shockingly enough, the free market works when you don't bypass it completely. The thing is - That's not what happened. You pirated it. You all pirated it. Two million people pirated it. What does that say? The game is worth my time. Except - Not at that price. Well they don't want to lower the unit price. That cuts into profits too much. So they make the sensible business decision. They raise the cost of the inferior (as you so noted) product, which debuts at a cheaper price (free or negligibly costing in bandwidth/electricity). They do this by making it HARDER to pirate, more costly in time, effort, and with the possibility of legal action. It costs them a lot less to do that than to make their game more accessible. They're making up the profit you're taking away.[/QUOTE] are you just naturally stupid
[QUOTE=shut up idiot;38559198]don't try to redirect, you know exactly what i said. when all you've got to cite is yourself you should probably stop posting.[/QUOTE] You are the one getting all pissy, you did ask him a question and then tell him to fuck off when he answered. Of those two million, I am sure a portion did torrent since they could. But there are also so many other reasons why people torrent, not just because "Hey I can get this for free!".
[QUOTE=shut up idiot;38559198]don't try to redirect, you know exactly what i said. when all you've got to cite is yourself you should probably stop posting.[/QUOTE] you asked me why i think people still wouldn't have brought it, i told you why i think this: because the reasons people pirated spore were very specific and were related to the game itself not it's price or people being thieves or lazy or whatever. i'm not just citing myself i'm citing myself and the community which followed the development of spore since it's inception. seriously if it was piracy itself that is the issue then why is spore the only major game release that flopped in this way? it's not like games have become harder to torrent, it's easier now than ever, so why is it not getting worse?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559230]you asked me why i think people still wouldn't have brought it, i told you why i think this: because the reasons people pirated spore were very specific and were related to the game itself not it's price or people being thieves or lazy or whatever. i'm not just citing myself i'm citing myself and the community which followed the development of spore since it's inception. seriously if it was piracy itself that is the issue then why is spore the only major game release that flopped in this way? it's not like games have become harder to torrent, it's easier now than ever, so why is it not getting worse?[/QUOTE] Spore looked like a pretty bad ass game when they announced, but the game in the end was a huge let down.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559230]you asked me why i think people still wouldn't have brought it, i told you why i think this: because the reasons people pirated spore were very specific and were related to the game itself not it's price or people being thieves or lazy or whatever. i'm not just citing myself i'm citing myself and the community which followed the development of spore since it's inception. seriously if it was piracy itself that is the issue then why is spore the only major game release that flopped in this way? it's not like games have become harder to torrent, it's easier now than ever, so why is it not getting worse?[/QUOTE] i didn't ask for the reason you thought people torrented or wouldn't have bought it, i asked why you were so sure that if the game wasn't available to torrent, people still wouldn't bother buying.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;38559253]Spore looked like a pretty bad ass game when they announced, but the game in the end was a huge let down.[/QUOTE] yeah man, i think i'd just started high school when my mate sent me the first ever e3 spore vid which i watched fucking heaps, and i followed it for the entire like, 7 years? it took to develop it because it looked like my perfect game. then as it got closer to release they kept dumbing it down, announced the ridiculous bullshit drm for it and basically turned what i thought was gonna be the sickest game ever into a piece of shit little kids game. [editline]23rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=shut up idiot;38559278]i didn't ask for the reason you thought people torrented or wouldn't have bought it, i asked why you were so sure that if the game wasn't available to torrent, people still wouldn't bother buying.[/QUOTE] why don't you read what you're saying LOL
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559077]except like i said, if it couldn't have been pirated noone would have brought it. 2 million pirated copies doesn't mean they were gonna sell 2 million if piracy wasn't an issue. and there were no sensible business decisions involved with spore, that's why it flopped. with the state of the internet today it has never been easier to pirate shit, so if piracy WAS such an issue then EVERY game would be getting fucked like spore. but it's not an issue and good games still thrive and even some shit games still thrive.[/QUOTE] Are you not reading a single word? 2m interested people does not equal 2m customers, no. It means 2m potential customers. All of which were lost to piracy. Evidently the game had pull. The hype before it was released was MASSIVE. Thus to make up for it, maxis and other developers employ cost-benefit analyses to do shit about piracy. Piracy is a huge problem. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559230]you asked me why i think people still wouldn't have brought it, i told you why i think this: because the reasons people pirated spore were very specific and were related to the game itself not it's price or people being thieves or lazy or whatever. i'm not just citing myself i'm citing myself and the community which followed the development of spore since it's inception. seriously if it was piracy itself that is the issue then why is spore the only major game release that flopped in this way? it's not like games have become harder to torrent, it's easier now than ever, so why is it not getting worse?[/QUOTE] So you speak for the community, and the community says every single person wouldn't have bought spore even if it was impossible to pirate? Well I'm glad you have convened a consensus for 2 million people. Spore is THE best example. It's clear-cut. It hasn't gotten easier nor harder. And to say it has, well, you have to prove it. [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559283]yeah man, i think i'd just started high school when my mate sent me the first ever e3 spore vid which i watched fucking heaps, and i followed it for the entire like, 7 years? it took to develop it because it looked like my perfect game. then as it got closer to release they kept dumbing it down, announced the ridiculous bullshit drm for it and basically turned what i thought was gonna be the sickest game ever into a piece of shit little kids game. [/QUOTE] and yet still so many people are interested in it
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38559283] why don't you read what you're saying LOL[/QUOTE] why don't you learn how to read?
[QUOTE=scout1;38559303]Are you not reading a single word? 2m interested people does not equal 2m customers, no. It means 2m potential customers. All of which were lost to piracy. Evidently the game had pull. The hype before it was released was MASSIVE. Thus to make up for it, maxis and other developers employ cost-benefit analyses to do shit about piracy. Piracy is a huge problem. So you speak for the community, and the community says every single person wouldn't have bought spore even if it was impossible to pirate? Well I'm glad you have convened a consensus for 2 million people. Spore is THE best example. It's clear-cut. It hasn't gotten easier nor harder. And to say it has, well, you have to prove it. [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] and yet still so many people are interested in it[/QUOTE] its funny cuz the hype was enduced by the exciting gameplay and shit and in the last minute the game got a complete overhaul which is why it flopped seems to me you're judging the census of the number of people pirating it also
[QUOTE=Death_God;38559334]its funny cuz the hype was enduced by the exciting gameplay and shit and in the last minute the game got a complete overhaul which is why it flopped seems to me you're judging the census of the number of people pirating it also[/QUOTE] Now this is totally an aside but is it just me or are both of you really terrible at spelling? I hope you're not an alt just here to seemingly inflate numbers [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] You could at least put a modicum of effort into your posts. Like capitalization, or punctuation.
i mean like seriously guys come on, this could have been a blast
[QUOTE=scout1;38559303]Are you not reading a single word? 2m interested people does not equal 2m customers, no. It means 2m potential customers. All of which were lost to piracy. Evidently the game had pull. The hype before it was released was MASSIVE. Thus to make up for it, maxis and other developers employ cost-benefit analyses to do shit about piracy. Piracy is a huge problem. So you speak for the community, and the community says every single person wouldn't have bought spore even if it was impossible to pirate? Well I'm glad you have convened a consensus for 2 million people. Spore is THE best example. It's clear-cut. It hasn't gotten easier nor harder. And to say it has, well, you have to prove it. [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] and yet still so many people are interested in it[/QUOTE] yes there was shitloads of people interested in it, and i definitely planned on buying it all throughout it's development, until a while before release when it was revealed they completely fucked it up and that's when everyone thought 'you know what fuck it we're not buying this game' and uh, it was the shit they did to stop piracy which caused so much of it (noone wanting to buy a game with such fucked DRM as spore had) and i don't speak FOR the community i'm CITING it and what do you mean it hasn't gotten easier? torrenting technology is better than ever, there are more and more websites and more and more people cracking games. if you need proof go to thepiratebay.se and type any major release into the search bar. [editline]23rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;38559357]Now this is totally an aside but is it just me or are both of you really terrible at spelling? I hope you're not an alt just here to seemingly inflate numbers [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] You could at least put a modicum of effort into your posts. Like capitalization, or punctuation.[/QUOTE] huh? which words did i misspell? and yeah i could huh
[QUOTE=scout1;38559357]Now this is totally an aside but is it just me or are both of you really terrible at spelling? I hope you're not an alt just here to seemingly inflate numbers [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] You could at least put a modicum of effort into your posts. Like capitalization, or punctuation.[/QUOTE] you couldn't back yourself up so you resorted to just insulting me on my post's grammar and non-existent spelling errors?
I bought Spore despite the DRM, but after my computer dying twice meaning I couldn't use a product I already owned, I just got a cracked activation code.
[QUOTE=Death_God;38559501]you couldn't back yourself up so you resorted to just insulting me on my post's grammar and non-existent spelling errors?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Death_God;38559202]are you just naturally stupid[/QUOTE] I <3 Facepunch!
[QUOTE=Death_God;38559501]you couldn't back yourself up so you resorted to just insulting me on my post's grammar and non-existent spelling errors?[/QUOTE] Would it really make any difference if I said that in the first place, or later? We can take it to PMs if you like
[QUOTE=scout1;38559357]Now this is totally an aside but is it just me or are both of you really terrible at spelling? I hope you're not an alt just here to seemingly inflate numbers [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] You could at least put a modicum of effort into your posts. Like capitalization, or punctuation.[/QUOTE] Hey you did not put a period on the end of your second sentence. Look at this guy, he doesn't even know what a dot is! [QUOTE=scout1;38558870]The philisophy of deserved wealth is a long one (that I won't get into), but the simple policy that most governments follow and I adhere to is that as long as people are willing consumers and the relationship is not harmful (i.e. monopoly), there is an absolute right to it. So whilst cod generic #1234 might be a shitty game that doesn't mean you can go pirate it. If you don't like it - DON'T BUY IT. Don't use it. Don't touch it. If the product is worth your attention and money, then buy it. If it's not, ignore it. That is how the free market thrives.[/QUOTE] the pirated copy is literally more worth it than the purchased copy, because you can only activate the key [B]3[/B] times. IT's so obvious you don't know shit about how piracy or DRM works so let me inform you. [video=youtube;HjEbpMgiL7U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjEbpMgiL7U[/video] [video=youtube;IeTybKL1pM4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4[/video] You have just been informed. oh and [url]http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/drm-free-experiment-makes-loui.html[/url] and [url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem[/url] and [url]http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works[/url] these are coming from people who work directly with the marketing behind this stuff. plus [url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/05/ubisoft-officially-ditches-always-on-pc-drm[/url]
[QUOTE=J!NX;38559584] the pirated copy is literally more worth it than the purchased copy, because you can only activate the key [B]3[/B] times. IT's so obvious you don't know shit about how piracy or DRM works so let me inform you. [/QUOTE] Minus: Official support Easy patching Technical Support and so on I classified them as inferior goods for a reason. I guess I can call you the ignorant one now, but that wouldn't get much done, would it? [editline]22nd November 2012[/editline] PS I congratulate Louis CK on his [B]marketing campaign[/B] They take many forms.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;38558875]it's ridiculous how the police become more and more enforcers for the government or big corporate interests rather than serving the public[/QUOTE] Y'see this part I agree with, at least to an extent. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;38558875] uhhhh spore was an example of the free market at work, spore was shit so noone paid for it so it flopped. if it was a good game people would have brought it. that seems to me like text book voting-with-your-wallet? that people still played it is irrelevant[/QUOTE] But breaking the law is not an example of the free market at work. I do believe that spore deserved to flop mind you. It was a bad game and terrible DRM made it worse. I also think that the majority of people who pirated the game would have bought it had it been good, and that the release of actual game demos would significantly reduce "Try before you buy" piracy. However it's difficult to argue against such ridiculous DRM when the opponents of it turn around and pirate the game in massive numbers while simultaneously saying that piracy isn't a problem. Sure, it does prove that the DRM is ineffective but it seems that the only response to such a revelation that producers see as valid is to produce even more draconian DRM. If we were to actually outright refuse to buy a game for these reasons and NOT pirate it as well, wouldn't the game companies look incredibly silly? It would be entirely clear that their game has failed to sell because of how they've hobbled it and made it unappealing to most players. And they wouldn't be able to turn around and blame pirates for their mistake either.
[QUOTE=scout1;38559633]Minus: Official support Easy patching Technical Support and so on I classified them as inferior goods for a reason. I guess I can call you the ignorant one now, but that wouldn't get much done, would it?[/QUOTE] Lmao I love how you completely just ignored the rest of the post you can only activate your key [h2]THREE TIMES[/h2] if you buy it, and yet if you pirate it, you don't have to worry about that. Yes, if you use your key 3 times, even on the same machine, you literally now have to buy a new copy. I agree piracy is wrong but come on dude, you are trying to argue something you don't even understand. [QUOTE=scout1;38559633]PS I congratulate Louis CK on his [B]marketing campaign[/B] They take many forms.[/QUOTE] And he had proven a point, it made him a millianaire because he didn't combat piracy.[I] If you trade something worth money and everyone feels it is worth it, they will much more likely buy it, unlike spore which is not worth the money because you get less.[/I]
[QUOTE=scout1;38556584]YES WHAT A HORRIBLE POLICE STATE Where police come to your house and seize evidence oh the humanity of all the european courts and police states all over the wooorld[/QUOTE] hello officer oh what's that you want to seize my hard-bought property for no reason at all with no evidence or real case? sure just go ahead, why don't i just give you a complimentary reacharound too?
[QUOTE=J!NX;38559655]Lmao I love how you completely just ignored the rest of the post you can only activate your key [h2]THREE TIMES[/h2] if you buy it, and yet if you pirate it, you don't have to worry about that. Yes, if you use your key 3 times, even on the same machine, you literally now have to buy a new copy. I agree piracy is wrong but come on dude, you are trying to argue something you don't even understand.[/QUOTE] They changed it to five, and you can unauthorize a machine it is installed on, getting an installation back. It's not like you can only activate it a set number of times and then you are locked out of it forever.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38559655]Lmao I love how you completely just ignored the rest of the post you can only activate your key [h2]THREE TIMES[/h2] if you buy it, and yet if you pirate it, you don't have to worry about that. Yes, if you use your key 3 times, even on the same machine, you literally now have to buy a new copy. I agree piracy is wrong but come on dude, you are trying to argue something you don't even understand.[/QUOTE] And? If you pirate it you can't [h2]DO THOSE THINGS I LISTED ALSO FALSE BOLD[/h2] if you pirate it and yet if you buy it it, you don't have to worry about that. Yes, if something breaks, and it's the game's fault, you literally have no official remedy. [editline]23rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Roger Waters;38559671]hello officer oh what's that you want to seize my hard-bought property for no reason at all with no evidence or real case? sure just go ahead, why don't i just give you a complimentary reacharound too?[/QUOTE] You mean except for the evidence they had with a legal court order How fucking terrible, rule of law! POLICE STATE POLICE STATE! [B]I'M BEING OPPRESSED![/B]
[QUOTE=Swiket;38557722][img]http://user-generated-content.java-gaming.org/img-vault/453340a2d0f6944c1b6bded1dea601e36f682182ebddfad0ffc9182724216a7e.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] joke's on you, i own a 3d printer the size of a house. checkmate. silly non-believer.
[QUOTE=Ardosos;38559681]They changed it to five, and you can unauthorize a machine it is installed on, getting an installation back. It's not like you can only activate it a set number of times and then you are locked out of it forever.[/QUOTE] Honestly though, I wouldn't actually do this, but GTA4's GFWL made me wish I just pirated it. I shouldn't have to go through DRM like that when DRM should be modeled more like Steam, out of sight out of mind. That doesn't sound excessive now that it's changed however. [QUOTE=scout1;38559684]And? If you pirate it you can't [h2]DO THOSE THINGS I LISTED ALSO FALSE BOLD[/h2] if you pirate it and yet if you buy it it, you don't have to worry about that. Yes, if something breaks, and it's the game's fault, you literally have no official remedy. [/QUOTE] You do realize you easily could ask forums and get other pirated versions of a game to fix an issue right? you would have to be an idiot to believe you need some magical "Dev support", this is why we have the internet. Many people would have used it and therefore would have known enough to have the issue fixed, pirated or not. also [url]http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/1635.page[/url] I've not heard any good things of EA's support, so far.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38559723] You do realize you easily could ask forums and get other pirated versions of a game to fix an issue right? you would have to be an idiot to believe you need some magical "Dev support", this is why we have the internet. Many people would have used it and therefore would have known enough to have the issue fixed, pirated or not. also [url]http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/1635.page[/url] again, have shown that you don't even know what you're talking about, again.[/QUOTE] Wow congratulations you cited an incredibly awkward [B]workaround[/B] for a problem. And one outlier! Well if we're doing that. -You pirate the game. The game is actually a trojan. Your entire system explodes. See. Look. Piracy is bad, mmkay. again, have shown that you don't even know what you're talking about, again. [editline]23rd November 2012[/editline] I CAN CONFIRM THAT PIRATES HAVE ULTIMATE SUPPORT BEATING A 24/7 HOTLINE WHICH ACTUALLY HAS AN OBLIGATION AND A PAYCHECK TO AT LEAST TRY confirm
[QUOTE=scout1;38559760]Wow congratulations you cited an incredibly awkward [B]workaround[/B] for a problem. And one outlier! Well if we're doing that. -You pirate the game. The game is actually a trojan. Your entire system explodes. See. Look. Piracy is bad, mmkay. again, have shown that you don't even know what you're talking about, again.[/QUOTE] lmao are you for real that's why anti virus and [url]http://www.sandboxie.com/[/url] exists. You can also EASILY tell if the pirated game is bad or not, I know for a fact that people who download and test it will comment on it and you can see those comments. Piracy is very risk free if your smart (I don't, and disagree with piracy and I know this) stop please [QUOTE=scout1;38559760]I CAN CONFIRM THAT PIRATES HAVE ULTIMATE SUPPORT BEATING A 24/7 HOTLINE WHICH ACTUALLY HAS AN OBLIGATION AND A PAYCHECK TO AT LEAST TRY confirm[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum[/url] I bet 500$ you can find a forum that'll help you with any piracy issue you have. dude your POSTING on a forum AS WE SPEAK. People help with gmod issues all the time with no paycheck or anything.
[QUOTE=J!NX;38559785]lmao are you for real that's why anti virus and [url]http://www.sandboxie.com/[/url] exists. You can also EASILY tell if the pirated game is bad or not, I know for a fact that people who download and test it will comment on it and you can see those comments. Piracy is very risk free if your smart (I don't, and disagree with piracy and I know this) stop please[/QUOTE] You cited a completely outlying example, one that completely defies the norm. I did the exact same. Is there a problem?
[QUOTE=scout1;38559800]You cited a completely outlying example, one that completely defies the norm. I did the exact same. Is there a problem?[/QUOTE] if you actually think people need a paycheck to help people over the internet, something is seriously wrong with you. I don't even need proof, I know for a fact that people pirate because they find the game to not even be worth the money, that's exactly why people steal tvs or gum. and [QUOTE][QUOTE=scout1;38558870]If you don't like it - DON'T BUY IT. Don't use it. Don't touch it. If the product is worth your attention and money, then buy it. If it's not, ignore it. That is how the free market thrives.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] people pirate because they like it but question it's quality and price / are poor / are stupid that doesn't justify arresting people that do minor piracy though
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