[QUOTE=Valnar;46054257]If you can pick up swords like these in certain cons, then how come this kind of incident isn't more common?
There has to be more than enough people who are stupid with these things right when they buy it, but how common is it for someone to get shot and killed by police over one of these?[/QUOTE]
there's plenty of incidents where people are way more stupid than 'standing around outside'
some girl at a con I was at a good number of years ago was tripping balls on something she got at the rave, ended up getting the sword out of her room (since it was hosted in a hotel) and started running up and down the halls with it. Tripped and impaled, though I believe she lived through it [something something drugs reducing shock]
that particular incident is why cons in my area will duct tape the hell out of the boxes, other cons are a bit more lenient but every now and again you hear about some idiots carrying shit. I haven't heard of police having to shoot anybody though.
Reminds me of an incident where it could have happened, some dudes were being jackasses in the parking garage I was at, running around with airsoft guns (bought at the con) trying to be tacticool. They didn't have pellets and were just shooting to make shooting sounds. One pretended to be scouting off the edge of the garage, to which I heard someone yell "SNIIIPERRRR!". He happily waved down to them as I was walking past him to my car. Thought it was funny, but apparently the sniper callout was an actual security dude. I walked back to the elevator, and was met face to face with a small security team, one of whom was a guy known to the con as "Sailor Bubba", in a sailor scout uniform covered with a security vest, pistol drawn. Hilariously terrifying. I mentioned they were playing with airsofts and they went on their way to grab the idiots. This, similarly, is why airsoft guns are also sold in well taped boxes now
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I genuinely have never been to a convention without seeing ambulance outside the doors twice. One for ODs at the saturday rave (a lot of people will buy con tickets just to attend that bit so you get all sorts), and one at random through friday or saturday.
[QUOTE=Crimor;46054738]Just saying, I'd rather get shot in the gut than in the thigh, and if I remember right the rate is more like 6 litres a minute, possibly more in high stress environments. The adrenaline from getting shot probably doesn't help that rate either.
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While I agree with everything else, looking at the picture, the one getting "lunged" at wouldn't have had time to react, they're within two metres of eachother, with the pistol in a secure holster with the safety on. But the other cop wouldn't have had time to get a shot off either, let alone six before the sword connected.[/QUOTE]
Well, they're trained to be able to pull their pistol out as quick as possible, and glocks don't have normal safeties, but yes, point stands dude definitely did not lunge at the police officers.
[QUOTE=dai;46056374]I walked back to the elevator, and was met face to face with a small security team, one of whom was a guy known to the con as "Sailor Bubba", in a sailor scout uniform covered with a security vest, pistol drawn. Hilariously terrifying.[/QUOTE]
I need a picture of this
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46044713]Shooting someone in a specific area is easy to say but hard to do with a moving target, if you ever shot a fire arm you would know this.[/QUOTE]
If you've ever shot a firearm you'd know that aiming for a specific area is retarded and you'll get yourself killed pretty quick. Center of mass should be your only target when you're holding any manner of firearm.
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[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46054195]
Look at [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar8w4DTIyhY]this video[/url], this is a man firing a glock at a rather quick pace. Notice how long it takes him to fire six shots. Thats about four seconds of constant firing. [/QUOTE]
That is some of the slowest shooting i've ever seen and has no right to be called "quick shooting"
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;46045484]I make sure to carry around my M16 in public in case those dirty cops try and take my rights, but I make sure to wear my ten gallon hat and american flag button-up so I don't scare any citizens!
(probably also what you believe)[/QUOTE]
I need this post in picture form
Judging by the picture the guardian put out, it's no big shock the dude got lit up in the back. Facing one of the officers and lunging at him would provide a fairly clear target on the dudes back. If I'm remembering right, their sidearms are rocking 9x19mm, so even if the round went through the dude (pretty unlikely unless they literally missed every tough part of the man's interior), the bullet would be so slowed that it would have little to no impact when it came out the other side. In a situation where it's "oh shit my buddy is getting charged by a dude with a katana", it's a pretty easy executive decision to make. You either have the other cop getting fucking eviscerated at worst, impaled at best, or you have a substantially slowed low calibre round hitting what would likely be the other officers vest (as long as the shooter was following literally baby's first firearms lesson, and shooting at the assailant's torso).
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KUO37Nr.png[/img]
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46058124]If you've ever shot a firearm you'd know that aiming for a specific area is retarded and you'll get yourself killed pretty quick. Center of mass should be your only target when you're holding any manner of firearm.
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That is some of the slowest shooting i've ever seen and has no right to be called "quick shooting"[/QUOTE]
Most shooting I see there's at least a few seconds between shots, with pistols at least. I'd say by the end he's shooting pretty darn fast.
[QUOTE=Rebi;46058381]Most shooting I see there's at least a few seconds between shots, with pistols at least. I'd say by the end he's shooting pretty darn fast.[/QUOTE]
This is a very nice example of quick drawing and shooting, so you'd probably see maybe half a second slower in a live fire situation, but this is proper quickshooting.
[video=youtube;tNucJbrB2tI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNucJbrB2tI[/video]
First position is just from the chest pre-drawn so that's not fair, but he does a drawing drill about 2/3 of the way through
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[video=youtube;JbC5mEc6ipE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbC5mEc6ipE[/video]
another example, this time with proper firearm training from a place that teaches cops to shoot
the should've just shot the sword out of his hands, amateurs.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2;46044690]i'm mainly siding with he had a sword, shoot him in the legs and he's done, but at the sametime it's a sword and i don't know the distances encountered[/QUOTE]
Ever hear of the 11 foot rule? It's taught to law enforcement that if someone is within 11 feet of you with a knife or other lethal melee weapon they can be in lethal striking distances in about 2 seconds. This is why they teach law enforcement officers to go for torso shots immediately when faced with a life threatening situation.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;46058225]Judging by the picture the guardian put out, it's no big shock the dude got lit up in the back. Facing one of the officers and lunging at him would provide a fairly clear target on the dudes back. If I'm remembering right, their sidearms are rocking 9x19mm, so even if the round went through the dude (pretty unlikely unless they literally missed every tough part of the man's interior), the bullet would be so slowed that it would have little to no impact when it came out the other side. In a situation where it's "oh shit my buddy is getting charged by a dude with a katana", it's a pretty easy executive decision to make. You either have the other cop getting fucking eviscerated at worst, impaled at best, or you have a substantially slowed low calibre round hitting what would likely be the other officers vest (as long as the shooter was following literally baby's first firearms lesson, and shooting at the assailant's torso).
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KUO37Nr.png[/img][/QUOTE]
You're ignoring several different facts. First of all, why didnt the cop getting lunged draw and shoot? There's a possibility the cop getting lunged at had the reflexes of a tortoise, and the shooter was very fast, but even still, six shots against a single target isn't something you can or should do quickly, especially when your buddy is in the line of fire.
I'd say it's much more likely that the guy was running away, sword in hand, and the officers took it as a threat to civilians and both fired at him.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46059980]You're ignoring several different facts. First of all, why didnt the cop getting lunged draw and shoot? There's a possibility the cop getting lunged at had the reflexes of a tortoise, and the shooter was very fast, but even still, six shots against a single target isn't something you can or should do quickly, especially when your buddy is in the line of fire.
I'd say it's much more likely that the guy was running away, sword in hand, and the officers took it as a threat to civilians and both fired at him.[/QUOTE]
The distances in my drawing were shitty and disproportionate. Working off of the knowledge that the picture we saw was -roughly- where they were standing, if the man suddenly charged one of the officers, they had less than 2 meters between them. Drawing in that situation would not only be hell on earth, but also incredibly dangerous as you're bringing your limbs closer to the assailant. The logical assumption to make is that if the man did go after one of the officers, the attacked one tried to step back as well as he could once he recognized a dangerous situation, he probably went to draw, and his buddy probably already had drawn seeing as he had considerably more breathing room. 6 shots with the proper training shouldn't break over 3 seconds, especially not in a life or death situation.
this is literally standard fare training for these guys :v:
This happened in Utah
I wouldn't be surprised if it was race related and they are lying through their teeth about this shit.
Fuck utah cops. I swear to god the cops I have encountered here are worse than any other area I have ever been in.
[QUOTE=Spherexd;46049757]The sword in question:
[thumb]http://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/sword-from-darrien-hunt-shooting-via-utah-county-attorneys-office.jpg?w=770&h=1162[/thumb]
[url=http://fox13now.com/2014/09/19/authorities-release-photo-of-sword-involved-in-fatal-shooting-of-darrien-hunt/comment-page-1/#comments]Fox 13[/url][/QUOTE]
not even mugens sword too, what a lame-o
I've got some exclusive footage from the scene that sort of supports the cops' side of the story
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpV80pudAGY[/media]
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