• Trump pushes drugmakers for lower prices, more U.S. production
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[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51757081]Vox was simply the first I got linked for it.[/QUOTE] I don't blame you, just worth pointing out. It still seems that Trump is going for lowering prices. You just might not agree with the method, but deregulating to get more generics on the market or to make it so R&D costs are not ridiculous in this nation compared to other countries is a legitimate method.
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[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51757077]Dammit Tudd, you KNOW that's not the correct narrative to push in here![/QUOTE] I'll happily link the good shit he does, [i]but first he'll need to actually do some[/i]. [QUOTE=Tudd;51757088]I don't blame you, just worth pointing out. It still seems that Trump is going for lowering prices. You just might not agree with the method, but deregulating to get more generics on the market or to make it so R&D costs are not ridiculous in this nation compared to other countries is a legitimate method.[/QUOTE] They are, and lowering regulations for generic stuff I'm fine with (provided safety isn't sacrificed for speed), but the way this sounds it's not just for generics but for everything.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51756903]I really cannot fathom how a country could do this to itself in the information age. Every single person who voted would have been able to come across the constant barrage of information about how much of a slimy failure this man is.[/QUOTE] The information age also brought about information overload, so people filter what they want to hear
[QUOTE=Saxon;51756916]If he wants to deregulate maybe they can allow imports from Canada?[/QUOTE] Nah man, Canada's medical environment is unsafe. It doesn't follow our strict quality standards. Like not allowing deadly nightshade to be used in infants' teething products. Oh, wait, no, we both do that, don't we?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51756903]I really cannot fathom how a country could do this to itself in the information age.[/QUOTE] The Information Age is a double edged sword. Misinformation is just as prevalent, or even more prevalent, than the truth.
There is definitely some confusion here and it isn't helped by Vox being the only article putting this spin about negotiation in it. Trumps statements seems to indicate that Medicare "price fixing" is happening currently when it isn't. Medicare by regulation signed by George W Bush in 2003 isn't allowed to negotiate prices. This means that we end up buying drugs at a higher price than other countries. It's possible that this is one of the regulations he wants to get rid of. At the same time though, the government (specifically, whoever controls Medicare) would be responsible for deciding the cost-effectiveness of drugs and making companies compete which is more "price fixing" than Medicare is currently engaged in.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51756903] I really cannot fathom how a country could do this to itself in the information age. Every single person who voted would have been able to come across the constant barrage of information about how much of a slimy failure this man is.[/QUOTE] well sadly the electoral college is all that matters not informed individuals. we need badly to get rid of it or at least give strict IQ tests to the members
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;51756903]I really cannot fathom how a country could do this to itself in the information age. Every single person who voted would have been able to come across the constant barrage of information about how much of a slimy failure this man is.[/QUOTE] The information age is also the filter age. Setting up an echo chamber for yourself has never been easier, and on platforms like Twitter and Facebook and Reddit you can block anyone who says things that displease you and they vanish from your sight. Freedom of Speech (defending the right for someone to stand in the street and shout that which makes your blood boil) has been replaced by Freedom from Criticism. News that agrees with your confirmation biases is trustworthy and news that disagrees with you is at best biased and tainted with corruption and at worst fake news altogether. The state of American democracy is a total mess. These next four years will be crucial to the health of the union.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51757436]The information age is also the filter age. Setting up an echo chamber for yourself has never been easier, and on platforms like Twitter and Facebook and Reddit you can block anyone who says things that displease you and they vanish from your sight. [/QUOTE] The truth. r/politics and r/the_donald are like gazing into two completely different windows of reality.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51757420]See this [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/UQLyWNn.png[/IMG] Why are you citing vox's take, when it is notorious for sensationalizing? Do you see how different sources give different reports? And you choose to take vox's spin on it? imo Vox should be on the "do not cite" list, it has been repeatedly proven untrustworthy[/QUOTE] Because I'd not heard of Vox before and they were the first I got linked. That's why I 'chose' Vox's spin on it. Any mod is free to change the title.
Gotta love the absurd bias and sometimes straight up denial here, especially when the OP itself contains sources that disprove the title of the thread. Meanwhile, stuff like the lobbying ban gets mostly ignored. It's not just this thread, it's the whole subforum. Is this stuff gonna keep up for 4 (maybe 8) years?
Changed title to Reuters article upon OP request. Also changed the thread icon.
Vox is terrible tbh can we add it to the list of disallowed sources?
[QUOTE=acds;51757596]Gotta love the absurd bias and sometimes straight up denial here[/QUOTE] Definitely true but you aren't attributing it to the right people in this case.
[QUOTE=acds;51757596]Gotta love the absurd bias and sometimes straight up denial here, especially when the OP itself contains sources that disprove the title of the thread. Meanwhile, stuff like the lobbying ban gets mostly ignored. It's not just this thread, it's the whole subforum. Is this stuff gonna keep up for 4 (maybe 8) years?[/QUOTE] The problem with the lobbying ban is that [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/29/trump-lobbying-ban-strips-out-language-requiring-public-reporting-on-ethics-compliance/"]its scope widened while its enforcement was gutted.[/URL] A ban is worth nothing if you can't verify compliance.
How is this bad? I thought having cheaper drugs would be amazing in America considering you can pay $600 bucks for a $2.50 Drug.
[QUOTE=Xonax;51757833]How is this bad? I thought having cheaper drugs would be amazing in America considering you can pay $600 bucks for a $2.50 Drug.[/QUOTE] The original article was some terrible Vox source, and people reacted to a terrible title that said Trump wasn't going to change prices after meeting with these dudes. So just ignore the first page of the thread. [editline]31st January 2017[/editline] The old Vox source: [url]http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14453740/trump-medicare-prescription-drugs[/url]
[QUOTE=Tudd;51757040]If I remember correctly, some of the deregulation was to help generics to enter the market, which would help with the current environment. Atleast, I remember Trump mentioning this. Please let me know if that isn't an avenue.[/QUOTE] A very big part of why generics can't come to market is because of the US's drug patent laws and shit. It's under the guise of "Oh well they spent all that on RnD wouldn't it be just so unfair if someone could take their brand new expensive drug and generic version it for way cheaper because they didn't have RnD overhead?" When in reality it's just abused by big companies to buttfuck the wallets of every person and insurance company in the nation. [editline]1st February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Xonax;51757833]How is this bad? I thought having cheaper drugs would be amazing in America considering you can pay $600 bucks for a $2.50 Drug.[/QUOTE] It's bad because it's a bunch of empty promise rhetoric phrased as "making drugs more affordable" when in reality all that it's doing is giving tax breaks and vague "deregulation" to the industry. The concept isn't bad, it's just that this specific instance is completely without substance.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51758138]A very big part of why generics can't come to market is because of the US's drug patent laws and shit. It's under the guise of "Oh well they spent all that on RnD wouldn't it be just so unfair if someone could take their brand new expensive drug and generic version it for way cheaper because they didn't have RnD overhead?" When in reality it's just abused by big companies to buttfuck the wallets of every person and insurance company in the nation. [/QUOTE] That's incorrect. Patent law for drugs is actually pretty good at the moment (better for the consumer than the business imo). 20 years after filing (so before clinical trials) compared to say....copyright which is basically forever. Drugs do get a lot cheaper when they go off patent and they always do. The problem is that the FDA has too tough regulations for generic drugs which compromises the reason why generics are cheaper, competition. They'll ask for new products to be proven equivalent to the original. If the original producer isn't manufacturing that drug anymore because the market is too small then you're shit out of luck. Whoever managed to get the right to manufacture the generic beforehand basically gets a monopoly. If those regulations can be eased to allow generics to prove that they have the same composition with GMP and safety then we can prevent the kind of shit perpetrated by Martin Shkeli and Valeant. The idea that the FDA is slow at drug approvals is bullshit though. They're faster than anyone else in the world. Good drugs aren't being held back by bureaucracy. If anything, stuff seems to be slipping through that shouldn't (see that controversial "female Viagra" pill)
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