[QUOTE=cody8295;49827035]Superdelegates will eventually pledge for bernie when they realize clinton is unelectable againstany GOP candidate[/QUOTE]
Are we even looking at the same presidential campaigns? There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49827073]Are we even looking at the same presidential campaigns? There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that.[/QUOTE]
I really want to see where he is getting this information from that every poll, paper, and people; say and show the exact opposite
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49827029]The northern states are worthless in terms of delegates. So what if they split a handful of delegates, Clinton has a substantial lead in the biggest delegate states.[/QUOTE]
But those leads are closing. Almost definitely not fast enough for states like Texas - but if Sanders can pull over a third of those votes, it'll be an enormous help. And there's a good chance he can - winning something like 40% or more of Texas makes Texas less critical and makes those minor northern states far more consequential.
The biggest priority is closing those margins in the large states like California. Close races in major states could help buoy Sanders and make those small-count delegate states in the north far more helpful in getting him the nomination.
It's unlikely but I've been campaigning for weeks and I'm invested enough that I just don't want to see him lose. If he does, okay, fair, but convincing people that he has zero chance when he has a decent chance isn't helpful.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827083]I really want to see where he is getting this information from that every poll, paper, and people; say and show the exact opposite[/QUOTE]
Source? Havent seen one estimate to suggest clinton could bean gop candidates with the margins sanders could. The fact is that sanders has way more support anong independents, whies, hispanics, and republicans. I dont see how she could win a general
HAH
Politico have already called Hillary with 0% counted.
[URL]http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/south-carolina?lo=ut_d1[/URL]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49826808]Bernie is anything but a pipe dream ron paul at this point[/QUOTE]
I think you mean the opposite of what this post actually implies.
[QUOTE=cody8295;49827100]Source? Havent seen one estimate to suggest clinton could bean gop candidates with the margins sanders could. The fact is that sanders has way more support anong independents, whies, hispanics, and republicans. I dont see how she could win a general[/QUOTE]
Okay then where are the sources for this?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49827103]HAH
Politico have already called Hillary with 0% counted.
[URL]http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/south-carolina?lo=ut_d1[/URL][/QUOTE]
So have google and the NYT
Well that was quick
[QUOTE=Bradyns;49827103]HAH
Politico have already called Hillary with 0% counted.
[URL]http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/south-carolina?lo=ut_d1[/URL][/QUOTE]
They're right, though - everyone already knew she'd win. The question is by what margin - there was literally no chance of Sanders winning SC.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827113]Okay then where are the sources for this?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html[/url]
[QUOTE=cody8295;49827121][url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html[/url][/QUOTE]
It's a small gap for trump, and the republican party still has 3 times the people in the running, I can see those numbers going to Trump after more drop out.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827134]It's a small gap for trump, and the republican party still has 3 times the people in the running, I can see those numbers going to Trump after more drop out.[/QUOTE]
I could see the numbers going to cruz or Rubio, arguably bigger threats to our country, who will beat clinton in November if shes the nominee
[QUOTE=cody8295;49827138]I could see the numbers going to cruz or Rubio, arguably bigger threats to our country, who will beat clinton in November if shes the nominee[/QUOTE]
Trump is going to sweep super tuesday, and like it or not he is going to rip the nominee out from the RNC.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;49826444]What is actually the deal with Clinton's popularity with black voters? I know it exists, but I don't understand why it is there. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Sanders...[/QUOTE]
She was in Obama's Whitehouse.
That's about it, Clinton wasn't good to poor people, and Hillary never really was either.
IMO, the biggest thing that should be scaring the democrats right now is the insanely massive turnouts the GOP are getting compared to the democrats. The GOP are breaking records while the democrats are getting lower numbers than 2008.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49827223]IMO, the biggest thing that should be scaring the democrats right now is the insanely massive turnouts the GOP are getting compared to the democrats. The GOP are breaking records while the democrats are getting lower numbers than 2008.[/QUOTE]
This. Not to mention the RNC is already scared an outsider(for them) came in and basically is dismantling the party from the inside out telling them to go get fucked. Trump will win because he is getting people to vote and not just getting someone who is fed through a line of a huge organization(RNC/DNC) to people and being told "This is the guy". Elections after trump might change a lot, because people with economic, and social demography will win more votes.
Sanders needs to make up the difference on ST, or he's fucked
[QUOTE=rilez;49827284]Sanders needs to make up the difference on ST, or he's fucked[/QUOTE]
Hillary is beating Sanders 3:1 right now, this will only snowball from here.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827299]Hillary is beating Sanders 3:1 right now, this will only snowball from here.[/QUOTE]
I mean, not necessarily. He's losing, but it's not over
We'll know for sure a couple weeks from now
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827299]Hillary is beating Sanders 3:1 right now, this will only snowball from here.[/QUOTE]
Youd have to be crazy to think the reaults from this 1 state are gonna cost bernie the nomination
I'm pretty sure Sanders still has a chance for all of this. It's literally only two close losses and one bad one. He can still come back, and California is pretty pro Bernie, especially since we have the most public college campuses in the Union.
[QUOTE=rilez;49827343]I mean, not necessarily. He's losing, but it's not over
We'll know for sure a couple weeks from now[/QUOTE]
I agree it's not over, however it is undeniable this won't have a snowballing effect against Bernie. Personally, I would rather see Bernie get the nominee than Hillary because I believe Trump would have an easier time defeating Bernie than Hillary.
[QUOTE=cody8295;49827378]Youd have to be crazy to think the reaults from this 1 state are gonna cost bernie the nomination[/QUOTE]
I am speaking from him losing this and 2 out of three 3 votes before this
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827405]I agree it's not over, however it is undeniable this won't have a snowballing effect against Bernie. Personally, I would rather see Bernie get the nominee than Hillary because I believe Trump would have an easier time defeating Bernie than Hillary.[/QUOTE]
How is this undeniable? Do you have any proof of it yet? No, probably not. Trump stands no chance in the long term.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49827413]How is this undeniable? Do you have any proof of it yet? No, probably not. Trump stands no chance in the long term.[/QUOTE]
HE's losing in most super Tuesday polls, larger states he is losing(posted earlier), Trump has a lead for super Tuesday and is easily winning more states with record turn outs voting for him alone compared to total turnouts before him. This will turn into Trump vs. Hillary very fast and will be trump eating hillary alive, the only thing Trump has to worry about is the black vote which Trump probably has no chance at.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827439]HE's losing in most super Tuesday polls, larger states he is losing(posted earlier), Trump has a lead for super Tuesday and is easily winning more states with record turn outs voting for him alone compared to total turnouts before him. This will turn into Trump vs. Hillary very fast and will be trump eating hillary alive, the only thing Trump has to worry about is the black vote which Trump probably has no chance at.[/QUOTE]
Do you remember how it was in iowa? He was losing by a good 20 points in polls and he nearly won that state. Besides that, your zealotry is showing, you're just as bad as the "bernie-bros" when it comes to Trump. What about the latino vote, or the middle-class white vote? i know a lot of people who would rather vote hillary than trump and even more that would rather vote bernie than trump.
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You [I]Really[/I] can't say it's undeniable if it's not happened yet.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49827458]Do you remember how it was in iowa? He was losing by a good 20 points in polls and he nearly won that state. Besides that, your zealotry is showing, you're just as bad as the "bernie-bros" when it comes to Trump. [B]What about the latino vote, or the middle-class white vote[/B]? i know a lot of people who would rather vote hillary than trump and even more that would rather vote bernie than trump.[/quote]
He's won it in most states with those groups, aside from Iowa which has questionable voter fraud. Depends on the age demographic really, being the youngest by 7 years at my job I know more that would vote for trump than Hillary.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49827476]He's won it in most states with those groups, aside from Iowa which has questionable voter fraud. Depends on the age demographic really, being the youngest by 7 years at my job I know more that would vote for trump than Hillary.[/QUOTE]
If you really want to argue, only roughly ~40% of republicans voted for trump in those republican caucuses. that means over half of that record breaking number doesn't want him to be nominated.
just because he won nevada doesn't mean he has the latino vote by any means.
[editline]28th February 2016[/editline]
Also "Voter fraud" in iowa republican caucuses? Never heard of it before it was mentioned by trump supporters.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49827484]If you really want to argue, only roughly ~40% of republicans voted for trump in those republican caucuses. that means over half of that record breaking number doesn't want him to be nominated.
just because he won nevada doesn't mean he has the latino vote by any means.[/QUOTE]
That's fine, but Trump will still win Super Tuesday and will become the nominee.
I'm still waiting to see how many actual hispanic GOP voters there are in Nevada.
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