• South Carolina Primaries: Polls close at 7PM
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[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49839362] Those polls show Sanders losing or cutting it close as well. [/QUOTE] Less than clintons losses
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;49838921]Yeah we should be more like Italy, which has never elected a crimin- [t]http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2013/07/20/20/berlusconi-afpgt.jpg[/t] oh yeah[/QUOTE] exactly the right person to say it then dont fucking elect Silvio 2.0: haircut boogaloo
[QUOTE=cody8295;49838252]Hillary is unelectable in the general, i hope the dnc realizes this soon[/QUOTE] Hillary is centre-left, Bernie is far-left. Guess which candidate covers a larger portion of the normal distribution.
[url]https://twitter.com/randal_olson/status/704430266912268290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/url] huh lol
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49839830][url]https://twitter.com/randal_olson/status/704430266912268290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/url] huh lol[/QUOTE] :huh:
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49839726]Hillary is centre-left, Bernie is far-left. Guess which candidate covers a larger portion of the normal distribution.[/QUOTE] hillary is practically seated next to the isle she's so centerist, even obama wasn't as centerist as hillary or her husband were, the centerist democrats haven't done anything except get elected because they don't really push for anything radical or anything other than the popular topics of the day, which is why they were against gay marriage, for the iraq war, against banking regulations, and didn't bother even fighting over a budget for so long they kept passing continuing resolutions instead. We don't need any more 90s democrats, we need progressives
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49839862]:huh:[/QUOTE] I just broke out in a maniac cackle for about 5 minutes..... I'm back. Holy shit.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49839903]hillary is practically seated next to the isle she's so centerist, even obama wasn't as centerist as hillary or her husband were, the centerist democrats haven't done anything except get elected because they don't really push for anything radical or anything other than the popular topics of the day, which is why they were against gay marriage, for the iraq war, against banking regulations, and didn't bother even fighting over a budget for so long they kept passing continuing resolutions instead. We don't need any more 90s democrats, we need progressives[/QUOTE] Eh. Obama ran as a centrist/populist. He wanted reform, especially in Healthcare. However, Hillary actually calls for Universal healthcare (and this isn't one of those things that she's mimmicking Sanders for; She's been for Universal healthcare since the 1990s). Maybe Sanders is dragging her left, but Obama is definitely further to the right than Hillary
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;49839935]Eh. Obama ran as a centrist/populist. He wanted reform, especially in Healthcare. However, Hillary actually calls for Universal healthcare (and this isn't one of those things that she's mimmicking Sanders for; She's been for Universal healthcare since the 1990s). Maybe Sanders is dragging her left, but Obama is definitely further to the right than Hillary[/QUOTE] Not really. She has healthcare going for her, but she's a war hawk and the least honest candidate we have this election which is fucking scary
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49839944]Not really. She has healthcare going for her, but she's a war hawk and the least honest candidate we have this election which is fucking scary[/QUOTE] Can you explain how she's a warhawk? Honesty has nothing to do with your political affiliations; there are dishonest people on the far left and far right.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;49839952]Can you explain how she's a warhawk? Honesty has nothing to do with your political affiliations; there are dishonest people on the far left and far right.[/QUOTE] I didn't bring up her honesty as a partisan quality, it's just a fact she's not honest she's a war hawk. She advocates for war. Check her historical stances. She, and Bill, have almost always been "for war" rather than against it. [url]http://www.salon.com/2015/09/10/what_hillary_clinton_wants_you_to_forget_her_disastrous_record_as_a_war_hawk/[/url]
At this point when it comes to who will be the next Chief Warlord, it feels like a choice between either the usurer Donald Trump, the peasant revolutionary Bernard Sanders, or the matriarch Hillary of the Clinton house.
American democracy seems like such a convoluted mess.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49839726]Hillary is centre-left, Bernie is far-left. Guess which candidate covers a larger portion of the normal distribution.[/QUOTE] bernie still attracts more independents, republicans, etc
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49838493]If Bernie was willing to get down and dirty instead of being the gentlemen he would have enough ammunition to fill up a chaingun and mow down Hillary with all her past deeds.[/QUOTE] he actually has raised a bit of her past, he isn't all gentlemen honestly. Sanders has been throwing punches because Clinton threw the first hit so Sanders had a reasonable excuse to start playing ball Of course he's been hesitant to go full out since he thinks straight out insulting is a republican tactic but fuck if Clinton wants to try and have another go at Sanders, he won't hesitate to reply back
Ugh, it feels so annoying having to wait for tommorow to find out whether Bernie likely has a shot or not. I hope Hillary gets locked up, or at least disqualified.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49840029]At this point when it comes to who will be the next Chief Warlord, it feels like a choice between either the usurer Donald Trump, the peasant revolutionary Bernard Sanders, or the matriarch Hillary of the Clinton house.[/QUOTE] Donald is a loose cannon, Bernie is delusional, and Hillary can't follow simple instructions. What great candidates we have.
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If Bern isn't nominated, couldn't we just write his name on the ballot anyways??
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49840241]Donald is a loose cannon, Bernie is delusional, and Hillary can't follow simple instructions. What great candidates we have.[/QUOTE] Delusional in what way?
[QUOTE=ThePanther;49840250]If Bern isn't nominated, couldn't we just write his name on the ballot anyways??[/QUOTE] He already said he wouldn't be running and would throw his support behind Hillary.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;49840250]If Bern isn't nominated, couldn't we just write his name on the ballot anyways??[/QUOTE] Yes, it is 100% allowed and don't let a single person tell you it's not possible. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;49840242][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcJkIIEW0AANBVv.jpg:large[/t][/QUOTE] Have a slightly bigger image? It's difficult to read the fine print [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=cody8295;49840101]bernie still attracts more independents, republicans, etc[/QUOTE] Source?
[QUOTE=cody8295;49840264]Delusional in what way?[/QUOTE] I won't talk about the finer points of his economic policy, because that's very much subject to debate: what I can say with a good degree of certainty is that his more radical plans have no hope of being implemented. He will not be able to convince centre and right-leaning members of Congress (which you'll notice is most of them) to go along with his ideas, particularly his plan for single-payer universal healthcare, and to a lesser extent his plans to raise taxes on the wealthy and on trading activities. Apart from bashing rich people and big companies, he has no real political platform. Hillary, on the other hand, is directly appealing to black and women voters, a very big demographic that Bernie has done nothing to woo over specifically.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49840400]I won't talk about the finer points of his economic policy, because that's very much subject to debate: what I can say with a good degree of certainty is that his more radical plans have no hope of being implemented. He will not be able to convince centre and right-leaning members of Congress (which you'll notice is most of them) to go along with his ideas, particularly his plan for single-payer universal healthcare, and to a lesser extent his plans to raise taxes on the wealthy and on trading activities. Apart from bashing rich people and big companies, he has no real political platform. Hillary, on the other hand, is directly appealing to black and women voters, a very big demographic that Bernie has done nothing to woo over specifically.[/QUOTE] He has said many times that it will take more than him being elected, it will take the election of democratic senators and congressman, to implement his plans. I'm pretty sure he does better among younger women than clinton
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49840400]I won't talk about the finer points of his economic policy, because that's very much subject to debate: what I can say with a good degree of certainty is that his more radical plans have no hope of being implemented. He will not be able to convince centre and right-leaning members of Congress (which you'll notice is most of them) to go along with his ideas, particularly his plan for single-payer universal healthcare, and to a lesser extent his plans to raise taxes on the wealthy and on trading activities. Apart from bashing rich people and big companies, he has no real political platform. Hillary, on the other hand, is directly appealing to black and women voters, a very big demographic that Bernie has done nothing to woo over specifically.[/QUOTE] He has actually published fairly well documented plans for what he wants to do, I assume you read those, and dismissed them as uninformed or unable to meet your expectations? I don't disagree with his chances to get those things through. Hilary is in a much more similar boat than you think though. She is not well liked across the aisle, one might even say she's hated fervently there, not for her idealism like Bernie, but for her actions. So there's issues there. Hilary also has no real platform, if you tihnk that's a valid criticism for Bernie. She's a morphing master of saying whatever populist bullshit needs to be said, she's utterly without convictions, and has a chance of people seeing her pandering nature first hand in the next coming months. I truly think if she runs against the republican nominee(likely Trump) she'll lose extremely hard.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49839944]Not really. She has healthcare going for her, but she's a war hawk and the least honest candidate we have this election which is fucking scary[/QUOTE] I think you should look at each action by itself. The only military action I think is unjustified in the last 20 years was Iraq. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I mean, I'm just as pro-bernie as everyone else here, but I think it's important that we discuss the issues for what they really are and not throw around labels like "warhawk" or "centrist"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49840293]Have a slightly bigger image? It's difficult to read the fine print?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/yZ0LZDP.png"]i gotchu b[/URL]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49840492]He has actually published fairly well documented plans for what he wants to do, I assume you read those, and dismissed them as uninformed or unable to meet your expectations? I don't disagree with his chances to get those things through. Hilary is in a much more similar boat than you think though. She is not well liked across the aisle, one might even say she's hated fervently there, not for her idealism like Bernie, but for her actions. So there's issues there. Hilary also has no real platform, if you tihnk that's a valid criticism for Bernie. She's a morphing master of saying whatever populist bullshit needs to be said, she's utterly without convictions, and has a chance of people seeing her pandering nature first hand in the next coming months. I truly think if she runs against the republican nominee(likely Trump) she'll lose extremely hard.[/QUOTE] If you want my thoughts on his policies, here they are. He is basically calling for a massive expansion of the public sector in the US, funded for by increased taxes on the wealthy and on corporations. First, I don't think he will get enough tax revenue from his plans to actually cover the increased public spending, because he both underestimates the increased spending he will need, and overestimates how much his tax plans will get back. Secondly, his plans will cut into the US's key competitive advantage on the global stage, which is the strength of its private sector. The effect of his plans on the private sector is twofold: decreased consumer spending (spending instead diverted to public sector) and decreased private sector investment (his increased capital gains taxes will increase the cost of equity). Without a strong private sector I think the US economy will suffer; even though the shrinkage of the private sector will be somewhat made up for by the expanded public sector, US GDP will still shrink. I'm not an economist by any stretch so this is not at all a rigorous analysis, but it is in line with what many economists have claimed. Honestly, with all that said, I actually want to see a Sanders presidency, and I want to see his plans pushed through in full. Not because I think his plans will result in disaster and I want to watch America burn, but because if they do go through, it'll result in such a drastically different America that we can't really predict what will happen. It's a high-risk presidency: the expectation value of the "goodness" of his presidency is probably about the same as for the other candidates, but the variance is much larger due to how radically different his plans are. It'll be a much more interesting presidency for sure.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49839830][url]https://twitter.com/randal_olson/status/704430266912268290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/url] huh lol[/QUOTE] [url=http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/oklahoma-democratic/]That didn't last long.[/url]
[QUOTE=CatFodder;49843309][url=http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/oklahoma-democratic/]That didn't last long.[/url][/QUOTE] guess I'm turning to drinking tonight
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