Two-year-old accidentally shoots woman dead in US.
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[QUOTE=ccg;46824936]At least Idaho has the death penalty. I hope this kids gets his sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
Snipped, anyways ignore this.
[QUOTE=sethcaron;46824974]Snipped but what in the fuck.[/QUOTE]
I suggest you read up on Poe's Law and Sarcasm.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46824896]This is how you concealed-carry. The intent is that the gun is ready to go as soon as you need it. If there's no round in the chamber, it's not ready. Is she going to tell a mugger "Hold on, let me chamber my gun first." No. If you carry a gun, you carry it loaded, else you're not prepared to use it, and therefore shouldn't be carrying it at all, because if you pull a gun in a situation where you need it, but aren't prepared to use it, then you're getting it taken from you and you're going to end up fucked.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you should stop being paranoid because muggers don't hide behind every corner to pop out and shoot you dead.
Especially not at 10 AM
In a Walmart
[QUOTE=MR-X;46824862]Yep, then you run into one that will fight you or pull out a gun themselves now what? If you're going to threaten deadly force, you best be able to back it up.
I don't see why people in this thread are debating, it was an unfortunate accident. Not everything can or be prevented, shit happens.[/QUOTE]
There are a ton of things that could have been done to prevent this from happening, how you can shrug it off with "shit happens" astounds me.
She could have had a trigger guard on, had the gun in a holster, in a small bag, had a better understanding of safety, kept a better lock on her bag... the list goes on and on.
I still think having guns in public places concealed or otherwise a baffling idea, I mean who is going to shoot at you in walmart?
But disregarding that this situation could have easily been prevented.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46825014]Or maybe you should stop being paranoid because muggers don't hide behind every corner to pop out and shoot you dead.
Especially not at 10 AM
In a Walmart[/QUOTE]
you dont carry because everyone is out to get you you carry because all it takes is one lunatic to kill you
[QUOTE=Telecaster;46825108]you dont carry because youre in a warzone you carry because all it takes is ONE person to shoot you dead[/QUOTE]
And that's why i wear a helmet wherever I go, one trip on a rock and i'll smash my head open.
[QUOTE=Telecaster;46825108]you dont carry because everyone is out to get you you carry because all it takes is one lunatic to kill you[/QUOTE]
Thankfully I don't have to live my life with this sort of paranoia.
[QUOTE=cherry gmod;46825144]Thankfully I don't have to live my life with this sort of paranoia.[/QUOTE]
why do all of the people who live in countries with no gun crime want to argue with americans with the excuse 'well i dont need guns!!'
[QUOTE=Telecaster;46825203]why do all of the people who live in countries with no gun crime want to argue with americans with the excuse 'well i dont need guns!!'[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying I don't need guns, I'm saying that You don't need to carry your guns around 24/7, it just seems so alien to me.
I should probably say that i really feel for the child, at least she will have the rest of the family to support her as she come to terms with what has happened.
[QUOTE=cherry gmod;46825144]Thankfully I don't have to live my life with this sort of paranoia.[/QUOTE]
Don't you realize that concealed carry is a passive self defense measure? You're not waking up every morning thinking that someone is going to kill you and you're not darting your eyes back and forth analyzing everyone around you. It's a 'just-in-case'. Just because it's incredibly unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46825014]Or maybe you should stop being paranoid because muggers don't hide behind every corner to pop out and shoot you dead.
Especially not at 10 AM
In a Walmart[/QUOTE]
Well, my mom was actually mugged in the morning at a Crest foods grocery store (in a well-off area) and she lost 1,000$ so...
I'm not trying to say a gun could have helped her (she is alive, after all), but that muggings DO happen at 10 AM. In grocery stores.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;46824801]Kid was two years old. Why would a child shoot their own mother intentionally? How would a two year old do it?
Jeez.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;46825252]studies show a situation only gets worse when a gun is thrown in to the mix, such as a mugging wherein the victim pulls a gun[/QUOTE]
What studies are those?
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46825014]Or maybe you should stop being paranoid because muggers don't hide behind every corner to pop out and shoot you dead.
Especially not at 10 AM
In a Walmart[/QUOTE]
I've worked security for a long time. I've seen plenty of people (after the fact on camera) get mugged in the morning coming out of wal-mart, Menard's, target, etc.
Thinking "no one is going to do that" is a terrible way to think about the world. I never would have thought I'd get in a first fight over a can of red bull. I never would have though that I would get dragged by a truck and slammed into a car over a laser level. But I did.
People will do crazy things, and a lot of times there's no rhyme or reason as to why.
[QUOTE=darunner;46825297]What studies are those?[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html#.VKNLYyusXT8[/URL]
New scientist only uses peer reviewed papers/studies and is regulated by the uk publications board. So It's a very valid magazine before you try to disregard it.
Another link about the same study.
[URL]http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/news_releases/2009/09/gun-possession-safety/[/URL]
In case you want to do some light reading, here is the submission to the American Public Health Association.
[URL]http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099[/URL]
[quote][I]Results.
After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 ([I]P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 ([I]P < .05).[/quote]
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I can't understand a society that has such a fixation on firearms and [I]carries them around with them at all times[/I] to me it sounds as insane as walking through a city brandishing a knife
it's absolute insanity and causes infinitely more problems that it can solve.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;46825423]I can't understand a society that has such a fixation on firearms and [I]carries them around with them at all times[/I] to me it sounds as insane as walking through a city brandishing a knife
it's absolute insanity and causes infinitely more problems that it can solve.[/QUOTE]
Concealed carry means it's hidden and nobody knows you have it. That's the point. You don't brandish it. Doing so would get you arrested and charged with brandishing a firearm.
[QUOTE=EditOutJ;46824398]Poor kid. Can't imagine how shitty he's gonna feel in the future when he understands what he did. It really was a terrible accident.[/QUOTE]
Eehh, at the age of 2 usually you haven't gotten a well-developed episodic memory, so the chance he's going to remember it at all as he grows up is extremely low, and nobody is going to try to remind him of it until he's at an age where he can grasp the concept of the situation.
If somebody told me that I'd shot a woman dead when I was 2 years old I'd definetely be shocked but I wouldn't put much thought to it because first of all I wouldn't have know this woman and secondly I would've been two years old and I kinda find that an excusable reason to say "I didn't know any better". v:v:v
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;46825486]
If somebody told me that I'd shot a woman dead when I was 2 years old I'd definetely be shocked but I wouldn't put much thought to it because first of all I wouldn't have know this woman and secondly I would've been two years old and I kinda find that an excusable reason to say "I didn't know any better". v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Sadly, "Not knowing any better" does little to ease the guilt of knowing that you killed an innocent human being. Knowing that you, yourself, caused the death of someone is incredibly wracking. You can forget about the act itself, but you can't erase the fact that you know you did it.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46825367]in addition
[url]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables[/url]
somewhere in this mess there is a table showing various crimes, and where the victim pulls a gun, and the percentage of that improving or fucking up the situation
last i checked on almost all of them it made the situation worse[/QUOTE]
Find it then instead of giving us a pile of information
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46825328]cant be fucked to find the fbi one but heres another government one
[url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt[/url][/quote]
[Quote=source]Does use of a gun in self-defense reduce the
injury risk of violent events?
Self-defense is commonly cited as a reason to own
a gun. This is the explanation given by 20 percent
of all gun owners and 40 percent of all handgun
owners contacted for a household survey conducted
in 1979.16 Just how often potential victims of
violence defend themselves with guns is unclear,
in part because "self-defense" is a vague term.
Among a sample of prisoners, 48 percent of those
who fired their guns while committing crimes
claimed they did so in self-defense. At a minimum,
victims use guns to attack or threaten the
perpetrators in about 1 percent of robberies and
assaults--about 70,000 times per year--according to
NCVS data for recent years. These victims were
less likely to report being injured than those who
either defended themselves by other means or took
no self-protective measures at all. Thus, while
33 percent of all surviving robbery victims were
injured, only 25 percent of those who offered no
resistance and 17 percent of those who defended
themselves with guns were injured. For surviving
assault victims, the corresponding injury rates
were, respectively, 30 percent, 27 percent, and 12
percent.17
For two reasons, these statistics are an
insufficient basis for the personal decision
whether or not to obtain a gun for
self-protection. First, the decision involves a
trade-off between the risks of gun accidents and
violent victimization. Second, it is not entirely
clear that the relatively few robberies and
assaults in which victims defended themselves with
guns are typical of these types of crimes and that
the lower injury rates resulted from the
self-defense action rather than some other factor.
Perhaps offenders lost the advantage of surprise,
which allowed victims not only to deploy their
guns but also to take other evasive action. More
detailed analysis of gun self-defense cases is
needed to measure both the frequency and
consequences of different self-defense actions
using guns.[/quote]
The first source you provide says that it's inconclusive.
[QUOTE=cherry gmod;46825144]Thankfully I don't have to live my life with this sort of paranoia.[/QUOTE]
Good for you, some of us are not fortunate to live in a nice place, and have to deal with gangsters/thugs and other undesirables.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;46825423]I can't understand a society that has such a fixation on firearms and [I]carries them around with them at all times[/I] to me it sounds as insane as walking through a city brandishing a knife
it's absolute insanity and causes infinitely more problems that it can solve.[/QUOTE]
You do know that 100 years ago, it was considered "gentlemanly" to carry a pistol on your person in the UK, and that when asked by a police officer, a gentleman would lend him his pistol if needed, since the police did not, and still do not, carry firearms?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;46825870]You do know that 100 years ago, it was considered "gentlemanly" to carry a pistol on your person in the UK[/QUOTE] This is absolute bullshit and i can find no record of it being otherwise. sale of pistols in the 1900 where stopped, And even if it was true, it would only be a duelling pistol carried by a butler or something, mister average joe over there isn't going to be packing a £20 revolver, only lords of a manor or people with high power would be able to afford weapons like that and get away with owing it.
Whats the point of carrying a handgun in your handbag? Thieves usually try to take your handbag, and then you are unarmed anyway.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;46826047]Whats the point of carrying a handgun in your handbag? Thieves usually try to take your handbag, and then you are unarmed anyway.[/Quote] it's a viable option since concealing firearms and bodily curves don't go very well for women. A lot of women also dislike using the sub-compacts because of their sharp recoil. It also allows for the concealment of larger firearms.
With that being said I'd still much rather have it on my belt than in a purse.
why do you leave it in your purse and not on your person
For fuck's sake that's one of the most important parts of CC. What if a dude who's robbing you [I]takes your fuckin' purse[/I]
[QUOTE=Telecaster;46825108]you dont carry because everyone is out to get you you carry because all it takes is one lunatic to kill you[/QUOTE]
or one 2 year old apparently
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;46824725]You'd surprised how often a common mugger would run if you pulled a gun on them, despite it having bullets or not.[/QUOTE]
When you are trained to use guns in self defense, you are trained to only take out your weapon if you are going to shoot the threat.
Taking out a gun and waving it in a muggers face is the last thing you want to do and it will get you killed if you don't have the balls to defend yourself since you are forcing them to either attack you or run.
That's an example why bag carrying is stupid. Also from my experience I have never seen a gun on anyone but law enforcement in my entire life in Indiana, a state with a very high rate of carrying. It isn't like the old west or something where you see people carrying guns around on a daily basis.
Just hand over your money if you are getting mugged
Nothing
Not one thing on this earth is worth you or someone else getting killed because you think you have protection to persuade them to run away
they are after money, not your life.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;46826214]Just hand over your money if you are getting mugged
Nothing
Not one thing on this earth is worth you or someone else getting killed because you think you have protection to persuade them to run away
they are after money, not your life.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's not like anyone ever got beheaded in public before or raped or bombed in the UK.
/s
Buddy if someone pulls a knife on me for my wallet and I'm carrying a gun, Ill shoot him.
Because I have a right to defend myself and I have a right to live with peace of mind, I don't give two shits about some muggers life if they try and mug me with a weapon.
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