Michigan State Rep. Lisa Brown Banned from Speaking After Opposing Abortion Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36348126]And it's a man's money, what right have you to tell him he has to give a part to the government? if someone wants to permanently be infected with some contagious disease, it's their body, yes, but that doesn't mean it doesn't effect other people. And hell, even if it doesn't, why should you be allowed to choose for yourself? You don't allow children to do so because they don't know what's best. You could extend that to a lot of people over a lot of areas.[/QUOTE] wait so women are basically children who can't decide for themselves?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36347715]There's no two sides to the abortion debate. The fact that we are even having a debate over wholesale murder is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] FTFY.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36348126]And it's a man's money[/QUOTE] Money does NOT overrule rights. If given the choice between you being poor or having someone else's rights being marginalized, I hope you like soup kitchens.

yep, freedom of speech my ass...

[QUOTE=Sanius;36348095]married men don't like the idea of not being able to control every aspect of their wife's life[/QUOTE] Whereas women?

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348184]Whereas women?[/QUOTE] Do not have the political clout to control their own bodies, let alone a man's.

Apparently The golden would rather have millions of children murdered before they were even allowed to live because their future lives were deemed unpleasant by a sick cabal who claim to be progressive and pro-civil liberties. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" - The pursuit of happiness comes after life, which is more important. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36348196]Do not have the political clout to control their own bodies, let alone a man's.[/QUOTE] Hey, was I talking to you?

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348202]Hey, was I talking to you?[/QUOTE] I don't care. Hey, look up the legal definition of "murder" please. If anything, what you're accusing these delinquent women if is negligent manslaughter. If you're going to levy pretend charges against people at least have the courtesy to know what the charges are.

You can go fuck yourself, too, golden, that's not an argument. [QUOTE=Sanius;36348142]wait so women are basically children who can't decide for themselves?[/QUOTE] No, dude, it was just an argument against the statement that no one except the woman can choose what happens to her. Because whether it's right or not doesn't depend on what she thinks. The question needs to be examined by every one. [QUOTE=Lankist;36348182]Money does NOT overrule rights. If given the choice between you being poor or having someone else's rights being marginalized, I hope you like soup kitchens.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but I don't follow. Are you saying someone's possession is less "his" than his body? I don't see why you should draw the line of property you can take randomly like that.

[QUOTE=Karmah;36345516]This is why you move to Canada[/QUOTE] ...and deal with harper's shitlord conservatives

[QUOTE=The golden;36348219]Does the thought even cross your mind that maybe the reason women have abortions is because they cannot support the child they are carrying? Wait no - it doesn't. You would rather ruin the lives of the mother, the father, and the child - and put huge strain on governmental support services to boot.[/QUOTE] Also not-ruin the life of the rapist and potentially kill the mother. Pregnancy complications are WAY more common than people like to think, and considering the female body puts precedence on the child rather than the mother, fatalities for both are a serious risk. Add that modern medicine is STILL completely phallocentric, using the male physiology as the baseline for everyone, and that treatments for pregnancy complications are woefully underdeveloped. Carrying a child is fucking [I]dangerous[/I]. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36348249]I'm sorry, but I don't follow. Are you saying someone's possession is less "his" than his body? I don't see why you should draw the line of property you can take randomly like that.[/QUOTE] Your possessions are worth less than the rights of the individual. I don't care if everything you own burns to the fucking ground, that doesn't justify egregious violations of civil liberties. You will go to the fucking poorhouse before you tell anyone what they can and cannot do with their own body.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36348230]I don't care. Hey, look up the legal definition of "murder" please. If anything, what you're accusing these delinquent women if is negligent manslaughter. If you're going to levy pretend charges against people at least have the courtesy to know what the charges are.[/QUOTE] "Hi, I'm Lankist. I'm a lawyer and I'm going to sperg about legal terms on the internet with teenagers because I have no other way to feel superior." I mean godDAMN man, I'm just having fun with this shit. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] And to prove I'm not backpedalling:[QUOTE=The golden;36348219]Does the thought even cross your mind that maybe the reason women have abortions is because they cannot support the child they are carrying? Wait no - it doesn't. You would rather ruin the lives of the mother, the father, and the child - and put huge strain on governmental support services to boot.[/QUOTE] Being alive and poor is better than being dead. You can stop being poor.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348293]"Hi, I'm Lankist. I'm a lawyer and I'm going to sperg about legal terms on the internet with teenagers because I have no other way to feel superior." I mean godDAMN man, I'm just having fun with this shit. [/QUOTE] a great way to lose an argument is to belittle your opponents when they hurt your feelings

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348293]Being alive and poor is better than being dead. You can stop being poor.[/QUOTE] Please define "alive." Because human embryos do not qualify as "alive" by current scientific understanding of the criteria of life.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36348266]Also not-ruin the life of the rapist and potentially kill the mother. Pregnancy complications are WAY more common than people like to think, and considering the female body puts precedence on the child rather than the mother, fatalities for both are a serious risk. Add that modern medicine is STILL completely phallocentric, using the male physiology as the baseline for everyone, and that treatments for pregnancy complications are woefully underdeveloped. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] Your possessions are worth less than the rights of the individual. I don't care if everything you own burns to the fucking ground, that doesn't justify egregious violations of civil liberties. You will go to the fucking poorhouse before you tell anyone what they can and cannot do with their own body.[/QUOTE] But that's what I'm asking. Why can you tell what people do with their money but not their body?

[QUOTE=Sanius;36348302]a great way to lose an argument is to belittle your opponents when they hurt your feelings[/QUOTE] Hey stop describing Lankist's arguments I'm DONE with that girl Haha but seriously I don't give a fuck.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36348306]But that's what I'm asking. Why can you tell what people do with their money but not their body?[/QUOTE] It's not about "telling people to do with their money/body." It's that you're trying to tell [I]someone else[/I] what to do with their body for the sake of [I]your money[/I]. You don't get to make decisions for other people, least of all for the sake of saving a few dollars.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36348304]Please define "alive." Because human embryos do not qualify as "alive" by current scientific understanding of the criteria of life.[/QUOTE] Tell that to them. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36348328]It's not about "telling people to do with their money/body." It's that you're trying to tell [I]someone else[/I] what to do with their body for the sake of [I]your money[/I]. You don't get to make decisions for other people, least of all for the sake of saving a few dollars.[/QUOTE] Wait I thought it was their money because they would be poorer. OH WAIT SOCIALISM

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348332]Tell that to them.[/QUOTE] I can't because they don't have brains. Or ears.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348293] Being alive and poor is better than being dead. You can stop being poor.[/QUOTE] and you know this from experience?

[QUOTE=The golden;36348317]Big words coming from someone sitting behind a computer with Internet in a warm heated home with a roof over his head and a bed to sleep in.[/QUOTE] Big words coming from someone with a beating heart and moving lungs. Because what you're saying is coming awfully close to eugenics: "Kill the poor - they'll be better off that way." [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36348339]I can't because they don't have brains. Or ears.[/QUOTE] Do they pick that up at window 3 of the cervix I'm not a doctor I don't know these things.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36348328]It's not about "telling people to do with their money/body." It's that you're trying to tell [I]someone else[/I] what to do with their body for the sake of [I]your money[/I]. You don't get to make decisions for other people, least of all for the sake of saving a few dollars.[/QUOTE] Hmm? I may have expressed myself wrongly. What I meant was taxation. It's accepted you can take people's money away with or without their consent for the greater good, but you can't tell someone to have/ not have an abortion for the greater good because it's his.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36348343]and you know this from experience?[/QUOTE] Well this is getting philosophical bullshit no-one can say such-and-such is better or worse than being dead objectively for obvious reasons. Seriously try and get anyone to do that and you're a moron. But both sides are doing this.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348348]Big words coming from someone with a beating heart and moving lungs. Because what you're saying is coming awfully close to eugenics: "Kill the poor - they'll be better off that way."[/QUOTE] Human embryos don't have beating hearts until over a month after development begins (which also follows a number of weeks for fertilization and implantation of the egg.) Most abortions happen before that phase. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348376]Well this is getting philosophical bullshit no-one can say such-and-such is better or worse than being dead objectively for obvious reasons. Seriously try and get anyone to do that and you're a moron. But both sides are doing this.[/QUOTE] uhh its not 'philosophical bullshit', it is the cornerstone of american government and has been for the last two hundred and forty years.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348293] I mean godDAMN man, I'm just having fun with this shit. [/QUOTE] Arguing for the removal of women's rights is fun? Get help

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;36348369]Hmm? I may have expressed myself wrongly. What I meant was taxation. It's accepted you can take people's money away with or without their consent for the greater good, but you can't tell someone to have/ not have an abortion for the greater good because it's his.[/QUOTE] Uhh, no, the government can tax you. When you live in a society, you agree to support that society. If you don't want to pay taxes, go live in a cave. You cannot reap the benefits of a society whose rules you do not follow. The government does not constitutionally have the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body. It is only when your actions start to affect others that the government can intervene. And for all intents and purposes, AND on a biological level, and embryo is a part of a woman's own body. It's connected to her peripheral nervous system (?), it's sharing her blood, nutrients and oxygen.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36348377]Human embryos don't have beating hearts until over a month after development begins (which also follows a number of weeks for fertilization and implantation of the egg.) Most abortions happen before that phase. [/quote] "Most" also haven't you advocated for 38th-week abortions before or was that Smurfy [quote]uhh its not 'philosophical bullshit', it is the cornerstone of american government.[/QUOTE] "Better be dead than poor, fuck that life liberty bullshit" - Thomas Jefferson [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] They never tell you that the right to kill beggars was originally the 11th amendment in the Bill of Rights. [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;36348390]If you let the child be born then you ruin the life of the child, the father, and the mother. You could also very easily kill the mother. How do you not bloody understand this. How much fucking cement is between your ears[/QUOTE] Then why not abort every baby.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348406]"Most" also haven't you advocated for 38th-week abortions before or was that Smurfy[/QUOTE] So since you're completely denying the biology of life: when does life begin in your addled view of the world? [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;36348406]Then why not abort every baby.[/QUOTE] because some people [I]want[/I] to have one? seriously, what the fuck? you think since Roe vs. Wade every woman in the world has suddenly decided "no more babies ever?" Our birth-rate has INCREASED since that decision.

Wow. Just fucking wow capitulazyguy. The number of things you've said like you know what you're talking about when you clearly don't this whole thread is astounding. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] I mean, we've practically proven the tie between abortion and lowered crime rates years later down the road. Why is this even a fucking argument? Why do we still think we can know what's best for another person like this?

Golden, mate, relax, this isn't how you argue things. [QUOTE=Lankist;36348393]Uhh, no, the government can tax you. When you live in a society, you agree to support that society. If you don't want to pay taxes, go live in a cave. You cannot reap the benefits of a society whose rules you do not follow. The government does not constitutionally have the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body.[/QUOTE] Then you're taking away their liberty to get the benefits without paying taxes. Everything you do takes away liberties merely because you remove someone's ability to live without you having done that action. When do this accumulate too much to be acceptable? It's their body and you're telling them they can't have their body on a piece of land without doing a certain set of actions, is what I mean