Conservatives, Lib Dems, and Labour all agree - Scotland will NOT get to keep the £ if they leave - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kondor;43896449]if we get independence i'm moving to england not even joking[/QUOTE] You and me both!

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;43896867]Yeah you'd much prefer to be run by scottish corrupt elitist corporations. They're 100x better![/QUOTE] Nationalist uprisings in a nutshell.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43898147]Nationalist uprisings in a nutshell.[/QUOTE] Because seeking political reform and independence via democracy is usually how uprisings go, right? Right?

[QUOTE=Vasili;43897416]You know the SNP was calling the Pound a toxic and unpredictable currency that was weighing Scotland down a few years ago, right? Then the Euro Crises happened.[/QUOTE] I find this shit hilarious salmond talking about how not being independent from the pound was basically not being independent, then the euro gets into trouble and suddenly IT'S THE BRITISH POUND NOT THE UK POUND

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;43896646]From people living in scotland; what is your general consensus about this?[/QUOTE] I'm not Scottish (well, technically a quarter), but from what I've read, the No Independence votes are winning, but the Yes votes are consistently catching up.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43897073]A big resounding "Meh", as far as I can see. It's obviously scare tactics, but we're not actually so invested in the Pound as the English are. If we need to adopt the Euro then, sure, okay. However, I suspect the English will backpedal on it should independence be assured, because part of the pound's strength naturally comes from Scotland's economic input into it as well. (And the third, unlikely option is that we keep using it just without any form of control over interest rates etc, since they can't actually prevent that) [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] Yeah, no. Currency union would benefit both of us, because the pound is strong, and the strength stems from both countries input into the pound. Without us, the Pound is weakened. [URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/2010UKElectionMap.svg[/URL] That link there is the greatest argument from independence, and it's the one that pro-Independence people actually use (Instead of the "FUK ENGLAND LOL"/"Braveheart!!" shit that Better Together drones claim it is) - Self-determination. We are politically different to England but we cannot actually act on that. We are being undemocratically represented in the government that has superior control of Britain (to our own semi-devolved one) by a government we DID NOT elect.[/QUOTE] the currency's strength is also due to it not being linked to a potentially unstable new sovereign nation. Without scotland the pound is weakened, with an independent scotland on board, the pound could be even more weakened. and as the SNP already said (but back-pedalled on), if you're using the pound you aren't self-determining at all, even less than if you were on the euro. As was already brought up, the hilarity of the snp position is noticing that when something is beneficial to Scotland its either called scottish or british, but when something is negative, its 'whitehall meddling' or 'English'. Like the national debt.

[QUOTE=El Burro;43898006]We can't fix English voters, last election only 1 of the 59 constituencies in Scotland voted Conservative but we still landed up with this shit, we're having legislation put past by a government hardly anybody in Scotland voted for. Far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off democratically as an independent nation.[/QUOTE] Not many voted for Conservative in Northern England either. We also consistently get fucked by the government. We need a Northern England Independence Party (NEIP)! I guess that's how democracy in this country works. Some people benefit from the current government and some people get fucked over by it.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43898323]the currency's strength is also due to it not being linked to a potentially unstable new sovereign nation. Without scotland the pound is weakened, with an independent scotland on board, the pound could be even more weakened. and as the SNP already said (but back-pedalled on), if you're using the pound you aren't self-determining at all, even less than if you were on the euro. As was already brought up, the hilarity of the snp position is noticing that when something is beneficial to Scotland its either called scottish or british, but when something is negative, its 'whitehall meddling' or 'English'. Like the national debt.[/QUOTE] Actually, we'd be self-determining even if we had the pound - We'd have full control over our taxation, political system and constitution, spending, etc. Things that we don't have as it stands. And it's not like South Sudan seceding, sure the Pound would undergo minor waves if Scotland went independent but it'd probably stabilise very quickly because this is not a war torn state, and secondly because we already have stable infrastructure etc

[QUOTE=ijyt;43897484]Legally, they have to.[/QUOTE] Problem is, fake notes. Any business can turn them down if it cannot be proved that it's legit (and it's not recognised legal tender anywhere in the UK). I've got a lot of Scottish notes on my person but no one takes them down here because they are unfamiliar with them. And the amount of time's i was handed counterfeits and told 'it's Scottish was absurd.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;43898571]Not many voted for Conservative in Northern England either. We also consistently get fucked by the government. We need a Northern England Independence Party (NEIP)! I guess that's how democracy in this country works. Some people benefit from the current government and some people get fucked over by it.[/QUOTE] everyone benefits from the government, some people just benefit more than others. see: roads, military, police, nhs, education

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43898579]Actually, we'd be self-determining even if we had the pound - We'd have full control over our taxation, political system and constitution, spending, etc. Things that we don't have as it stands. And it's not like South Sudan seceding, sure the Pound would undergo minor waves if Scotland went independent but it'd probably stabilise very quickly because this is not a war torn state, and secondly because we already have stable infrastructure etc[/QUOTE] You'd have full control over how the money is spent and used, but you wouldn't have full control over the money. And sure, you have a stable infrastructure currently, but will that continue to be the case? It's a gamble.

[QUOTE=ijyt;43897484]Legally, they have to.[/QUOTE] A shop doesn't have to accept any form of payment, including if they wanted bank of England notes. Also Scottish notes aren't legal tender which means you can't settle debts with them.

The Scot in me is saying "yes", the English in me is saying "no" and the Welsh in me doesn't care. What do?

Oh gosh, what if they go overboard and take not just the pound, but the internet pornblocker too! That would be a catastrophe.

I can't say I'm not jealous of Scotland. I'm not sure how it'd stand for nationalists and unionists but I personally want Northern Ireland to secede the UK.

How about ditch the pound for the whole union, seriously all your previous colonies did it and we've never been better economically, like the Australian Dollar is strong at the moment and has been for a while I can never understand the pound sterling either, my father kept a few Australian pounds before the conversion but I am always confused about them

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43904828]How about ditch the pound for the whole union, seriously all your previous colonies did it and we've never been better economically, like the Australian Dollar is strong at the moment and has been for a while I can never understand the pound sterling either, my father kept a few Australian pounds before the conversion but I am always confused about them[/QUOTE] Why ditch a strong currency? And what's not to understand about them? (Unless you saw pre-decimalisation coins)

[QUOTE=El Burro;43898006]We can't fix English voters, last election only 1 of the 59 constituencies in Scotland voted Conservative but we still landed up with this shit, we're having legislation put past by a government hardly anybody in Scotland voted for. Far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off democratically as an independent nation.[/QUOTE] Will you please think of your buddies in the North and in Wales, we will have to deal with the Tory's shit all the time if we lose scotland as a voting block.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;43898571]Not many voted for Conservative in Northern England either. We also consistently get fucked by the government. We need a Northern England Independence Party (NEIP)![/QUOTE] Why don't we just become a part of Scotland? South England is worst England.

Scotland does have its own culture, laws, religion, school system and is definitely completely different politically to England. By all rights it should be its own country, and it would probably get on just fine to be honest. Scotland is rich enough that it would recover just fine after the initial shock of independence. Scotland is rich enough that it could probably manage to pay for its own national health service, social security, defence and such. They probably wouldn't be as good though. We're already devolution max, there's barely any more powers we can shave away from westminster, so really the choice is deal with it or cut ourselves completely loose. The UK also kind of seems like an extra layer of bureaucracy between Scotland and the EU really. On the other hand, we have lots of special things now that we wouldn't get if we left the union. Is independence worth it if we have to start paying for university and such, or are those things just small sacrifices to make for political freedom from westminster and responsibility and pride in ourselves? There are also questions as to exactly what the future politics of Scotland will be like. The SNP are rather right leaning when it comes to the economy, so it's possible they'd sell off all of the national assets to their buddies at a significant discount. Personally, I'm going to vote yes. I've lived in Scotland most of my life, but all of my extended family are English, and the differences are pretty obvious to me. I'm not a native Scot, so I don't feel very emotive and nationalist, but I do feel that Scotland can and should take responsibility for its self and walk its own path that more accurately represents the will of the people that live here, because it's so distinct.

[QUOTE=El Burro;43898006]We can't fix English voters, last election only 1 of the 59 constituencies in Scotland voted Conservative but we still landed up with this shit, we're having legislation put past by a government hardly anybody in Scotland voted for. Far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off democratically as an independent nation.[/QUOTE] Surely this is a problem with the UK's voting system, not a problem with the union?