Helen Thomas, White House reporter for 57 years, resigns over Israel comments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mexican;22453180]Not bigoted though.[/QUOTE] Uh yea, it's bigoted. However, being bigoted isn't necessarily bad(someone being bigoted against Nazis). It is also very anti-semitic. Which is bad.

[QUOTE=snuwoods;22448573]Israel is the only civilized country in the Middle East.[/QUOTE] Bull-fucking-shit you racist asshole, simply because they are Europeans who stole a piece of land from brown people (THAT THEY WEREN'T EVEN THE FUCKING MAJORITY IN FOR [b][u]OVER[/u] A THOUSAND YEARS[/b]) doesn't mean they are the only Civilized country since the rest are run by brown people, you have Turkey, Jordan, Pre-Civil-War Lebanon(And somewhat the present outside of South Lebanon where all the Islamist Cool Kids hang out). Meanwhile when the State of Israel was formed you had other countries who were moderate namely Iran, Afghanistan (Soviets: Hurr we gonna uproot their first and only functioning central government for communism durr), and Iraq, all of these countries were sure as shit better at being allies then the god damn Israelis are, meanwhile we today simply write all of them off as a bunch of sand nigger dune coons kuran humping jihadi terrorist due to the fact the State of Israel and their annexations of Palestinian and Arab land have given all these god damn Islamist shitheads a platform to destabilize the Countries around them and replace the moderate secular leaderships with insane Islamist ones.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22452569]If she says something completely bigoted she should expect people to call her out on her shit. She should resign, that's like if some White House Press Secretary said he hated black people. That's not someone who should be representing the White House. [editline]12:31AM[/editline] So then we are all African? Actually technically we are all from the ocean, right? We should be called fish then.[/QUOTE] Not liking Israel and not wanting a state of Israel to exist is not an anti-semitic sentiment, it's anti-Zionist. There's nothing bigoted about wanting a state that had shaky grounds of formation in that first place, gone. Never mind the fact that the mere existence of the nation of Israel pisses off a great many people, due to areas it occupies being holy lands to more than one major religion. Stop drawing false analogies, she never said "I hate those fucking Jews."

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22451224]America: Land of the free as long as you exercise your freedom of speech to criticize Israel or criticize the current President when you are on the other side of the line politically[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453365]Not liking Israel and not wanting a state of Israel to exist is not an anti-semitic sentiment, it's anti-Zionist. There's nothing bigoted about wanting a state that had shaky grounds of formation in that first place, gone. Never mind the fact that the mere existence of the nation of Israel pisses off a great many people, due to areas it occupies being holy lands to more than one major religion. Stop drawing false analogies, she never said "I hate those fucking Jews."[/QUOTE] She said she wants the Jews back in Poland, Germany, and the USA. For some reason those people are inferior and can't live where they want? I hate Israel and think it should be Palestine, but that doesn't mean the Jews should be exiled from their own land.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE I think that everyone is racist today. Israel is white and speaks english, so they must be good right? same thing with australia, right? they'd never censor things that they don't like!

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453423]WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE I think that everyone is racist today. Israel is white and speaks english, so they must be good right? same thing with australia, right? they'd never censor things that they don't like![/QUOTE] What are you talking about?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453415]She said she wants the Jews back in Poland, Germany, and the USA. For some reason those people are inferior and can't live where they want? I hate Israel and think it should be Palestine, but that doesn't mean the Jews should be exiled from their own land.[/QUOTE] It isn't their own land, that's the whole point. She probably means the foreign occupiers and settlers that expand and push the borders of what Israel should have been by UN accord, and even that original accord was somewhat bullshit.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453456]It isn't their own land, that's the whole point. She probably means the foreign occupiers and settlers that expand and push the borders of what Israel should have been by UN accord, and even that original accord was somewhat bullshit.[/QUOTE] Yes, a lot of those Israelites own their own land and work for their land.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453471]Yes, a lot of those Israelites own their own land and work for their land.[/QUOTE] Again, if I wasn't clear, I meant that she probably meant the ruling class, as in the State of Israel, the Jewish State of Israel. She probably didn't mean to victimize the individual as much as the collective under the state.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453497]Again, if I wasn't clear, I meant that she probably meant the ruling class, as in the State of Israel, the Jewish State of Israel. She probably didn't mean to victimize the individual as much as the collective under the state.[/QUOTE] She did, though. That's like me saying "All Mexicans back to Mexico!" and then when I get called out on it saying "I only meant the illegal ones". Don't call for the exile of a whole group of people for what the government does.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453365]There's nothing bigoted about wanting a state that had shaky grounds of formation in that first place, gone.[/QUOTE] Yeah there is when it's been around for 50 years and has managed to develop itself way more than any other country in the region. I'd bet the majority of Americans support Israel (if they know what it is) and for a public figure to come out and say something so out of touch with reality would obviously cause them to destroy their reputation and credibility.

I really think the whole "im a jew germons hurrt meh" routine is total bullshit for anyone who werent forced to "participate", or whos parents were taken they were sparred, w/e. Like that girl who stood up in that speach saying that it was "offensive" to her and that he should apologize, thats bullshit. bitch, you know nothing of the horrors of the holocaust nor were you affected in anyway. :frog:

[QUOTE=PyromanDan;22453638]I really think the whole "im a jew germons hurrt meh" routine is total bullshit for anyone who werent forced to "participate", or whos parents were taken they were sparred, w/e. Like that girl who stood up in that speach saying that it was "offensive" to her and that he should apologize, thats bullshit. bitch, you know nothing of the horrors of the holocaust nor were you affected in anyway. :frog:[/QUOTE] Someone says that her people are too inferior to live in a certain place, and she can't be offended because she never witnessed the holocaust first hand?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453446]What are you talking about?[/QUOTE] Sorry, my train of thought led me there. OK, people just listened to her say that basically Israel shouldn't exist, and they immediately assume that when someone says something against Israel it means they hate Jews. They don't ever think about Israel's war crimes, and when they do, they pass it off as "just war" because "Dem damned durka durkas hate Jews and freedoms" and "the happy white Jews are just trying to protect their country that they rightfully deserve" Because the Jews are white, and the Palestinians are Arabic. If the roles were reversed, the Palestinians would still be the evil attackers.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453674][b]Someone says that her people are too inferior to live in a certain place[/b], and she can't be offended because she never witnessed the holocaust first hand?[/QUOTE] Call me dumb but what the hell is that meant to mean?

[QUOTE=PyromanDan;22453687]Call me dumb but what the hell is that meant to mean?[/QUOTE] He thinks the reporter was being racist against Jews.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453680]Sorry, my train of thought led me there. OK, people just listened to her say that basically Israel shouldn't exist, and they immediately assume that when someone says something against Israel it means they hate Jews. They don't ever think about Israel's war crimes, and when they do, they pass it off as "just war" because "Dem damned durka durkas hate Jews and freedoms" and "the happy white Jews are just trying to protect their country that they rightfully deserve" Because the Jews are white, and the Palestinians are Arabic. If the roles were reversed, the Palestinians would still be the evil attackers.[/QUOTE] She said the Jews should leave Israel and go back to Germany, Poland, and the US. She didn't just say that Israel shouldn't exist. [QUOTE=PyromanDan;22453687]Call me dumb but what the hell is that meant to mean?[/QUOTE] I was exagerating a bit saying that she was saying Jews are inferior, but she is saying that a whole group of people don't have a right to live in a certain place for some reason. [editline]01:33AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453728]He thinks the reporter was being racist against Jews.[/QUOTE] Uh, she was. Well, Jew isn't a race, but it is anti-semitic.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22453586]Yeah there is when it's been around for 50 years and has managed to develop itself way more than any other country in the region. I'd bet the majority of Americans support Israel (if they know what it is) and for a public figure to come out and say something so out of touch with reality would obviously cause them to destroy their reputation and credibility.[/QUOTE] Except again, not liking a country is not the same as not liking Jews in general. Anti-Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, no matter how hard people try to scream otherwise. If she did say she wants all the current Jewish population out (her remarks were honestly terse and unclear.) then that is crap, and bigoted. But wanting the reduction or even abolition of the state of Israel and the illegal settlers in the West Bank and such out, is completely reasonable

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22453586]Yeah there is when it's been around for 50 years and has managed to develop itself way more than any other country in the region.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's kinda helps having over a Quarter of your Economic Output matched by U.S. Taxdollars, and not having your government unstable over Islamist Using Palestine as a case for Islam now doesn't it? Fuck Israel received more from the United States during the Yom Kippur War then Vietnam received in a year during the Vietnam War, and that war only lasted 3 weeks to put shit into perspective. [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22453586]I'd bet the majority of Americans support Israel (if they know what it is)[/QUOTE] No, it's mostly the Conservatives which went full retard after Obama got elected.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453735]She said the Jews should leave Israel and go back to Germany, Poland, and the US. She didn't just say that Israel shouldn't exist. I was exagerating a bit saying that she was saying Jews are inferior, but she is saying that a whole group of people don't have a right to live in a certain place for some reason. [editline]01:33AM[/editline] Uh, she was. Well, Jew isn't a race, but it is anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] Anybody has the right to live anywhere, But you dont have the right to whine about something that didnt happen to you as if it did!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453735]She said the Jews should leave Israel and go back to Germany, Poland, and the US. She didn't just say that Israel shouldn't exist. I was exagerating a bit saying that she was saying Jews are inferior, but she is saying that a whole group of people don't have a right to live in a certain place for some reason. [/quote] They don't have the right. That's not their country, they took it. [quote] Uh, she was. Well, Jew isn't a race, but it is anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] Look, when you say jews should go back home from YOUR country, you're being racist. When you say they have no business being in Palestine, that's a political view that a lot of people have, she just worded it weird because she's old. [editline]01:41AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PyromanDan;22453822]Anybody has the right to live anywhere, But you dont have the right to whine about something that didnt happen to you as if it did![/QUOTE] Well yes and no. you can't pretend it happened to you, but you can use it as a model to learn from and how to never repeat those mistakes again, and anti semitism from influential people is exactly how the holocaust began.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453806]Except again, not liking a country is not the same as not liking Jews in general. Anti-Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, no matter how hard people try to scream otherwise. If she did say she wants all the current Jewish population out (her remarks were honestly terse and unclear.) then that is crap, and bigoted. But wanting the reduction or even abolition of the state of Israel and the illegal settlers in the West Bank and such out, is completely reasonable[/QUOTE] That's what she said, she didn't specifically say the settlers, she was telling the Jews to get out. [QUOTE=PyromanDan;22453822]Anybody has the right to live anywhere, But you dont have the right to whine about something that didnt happen to you as if it did![/QUOTE] I'll agree with that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453895]That's what she said, she didn't specifically say the settlers, she was telling the Jews to get out.[/QUOTE] Israel is nothing but jews. it would be the same effect as saying israelis should get out.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453870]They don't have the right. That's not their country, they took it.[/quote] It's their land. Many of them were raised in Israel, they have a right to be in that area just as much as any native born Palestinian. [quote]Look, when you say jews should go back home from YOUR country, you're being racist. When you say they have no business being in Palestine, that's a political view that a lot of people have, she just worded it weird because she's old.[/quote] There's no difference between the two. You are saying a whole group of people should be exiled from their homes because they don't have the right to be there. [editline]01:45AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453920]Israel is nothing but jews. it would be the same effect as saying israelis should get out.[/QUOTE] Why should Israelis have to get out either? Why don't they have the right live there?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453932]It's their land. Many of them were raised in Israel, they have a right to be in that area just as much as any native born Palestinian. There's no difference between the two. You are saying a whole group of people should be exiled from their homes because they don't have the right to be there. [editline]01:45AM[/editline] Why should Israelis have to get out either? Why don't they have the right live there?[/QUOTE] It's not their homes, it belongs to Palestine, but they invaded it after world war two. There's nothing more antisemitic than Zionism.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453977]It's not their homes, it belongs to Palestine, but they invaded it after world war two. There's nothing more antisemitic than Zionism.[/QUOTE] Did every single Israeli personally invade that home and take it from some Palestinian? Maybe you should get the fuck out of your house because that land might have belonged to some Native American tribe at one point.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22454011]Did every single Israeli personally invade that home and take it from some Palestinian? Maybe you should get the fuck out of your house because that land might have belonged to some Native American tribe at one point.[/QUOTE] They're still currently annexing it. They weren't satisfied with just Israel, they had to have Gaza also. How would you feel if america tried to do a hostile takeover of canada just because we wanted to?

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22454043]They're still currently annexing it. They weren't satisfied with just Israel, they had to have Gaza also. How would you feel if america tried to do a hostile takeover of canada just because we wanted to?[/QUOTE] That's a problem, and Israel needs to fuck off. Hell, I wouldn't mind if Israel was to stop being a country, but that doesn't mean the people should be forced out.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22453806]Except again, not liking a country is not the same as not liking Jews in general. Anti-Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, no matter how hard people try to scream otherwise. If she did say she wants all the current Jewish population out (her remarks were honestly terse and unclear.) then that is crap, and bigoted. But wanting the reduction or even abolition of the state of Israel and the illegal settlers in the West Bank and such out, is completely reasonable[/QUOTE] She didn't say get out of the West Bank and go back to Tel Aviv or Haifa or Ashdod she said go back to Poland and Germany. In any case she should have thought of what she was going to say before blurting it out like that and now she's fucked.