Helen Thomas, White House reporter for 57 years, resigns over Israel comments - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22454061]That's a problem, and Israel needs to fuck off. Hell, I wouldn't mind if Israel was to stop being a country, but that doesn't mean the people should be forced out.[/QUOTE] It's not like they'd be going anywhere bad. Plus their entire government is racist. The idea of a government where jews are meant to be the majority? it's like putting the cross on the american flag. But it's different right? because they jews were oppressed! Having a history that barely applies to you anymore is a get out of jail free card with no spending limit

[QUOTE=Broseph_;22453815]Yeah it's kinda helps having over a Quarter of your Economic Output matched by U.S. Taxdollars, and not having your government unstable over Islamist Using Palestine as a case for Islam now doesn't it? Fuck Israel received more from the United States during the Yom Kippur War then Vietnam received in a year during the Vietnam War, and that war only lasted 3 weeks to put shit into perspective. No, it's mostly the Conservatives which went full retard after Obama got elected.[/QUOTE] And? That doesn't change the fact that Israel is a wealthy westernized nation and everything around it is mostly just a gigantic shithole. Also, the conservatives are way more supportive, and for the most retarded reasons, but that doesn't mean most other Americans oppose supporting Israel.

Send them back to Poland and Germany. :argh:

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22454043]They're still currently annexing it. They weren't satisfied with just Israel, they had to have Gaza also. How would you feel if america tried to do a hostile takeover of canada just because we wanted to?[/QUOTE] No no no no, they just decide to say fuck all to Gaza and wall it off, meanwhile they are colonizing the West Bank

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22453565]She did, though. That's like me saying "All Mexicans back to Mexico!" and then when I get called out on it saying "I only meant the illegal ones". Don't call for the exile of a whole group of people for what the government does.[/QUOTE] Didn't I already tell you why that's a shit analogy. [editline]09:07PM[/editline] Also I already told you how she wasn't saying to force them out but apparently you thought it would be more fun to ignore it and fill up another page of debate based on false conceptions.

I love how some people are misconstruing Helen Thomas' words into basically "Jews should go back into the furnaces of Nazi Germany!!"

[QUOTE=Mexican;22454268]Didn't I already tell you why that's a shit analogy.[/quote] Your explanation was shit and invalid. It's the same concept. [quote]Also I already told you how she wasn't saying to force them out but apparently you thought it would be more fun to ignore it and fill up another page of debate based on false conceptions.[/QUOTE] What is the difference between saying that they should be sent back to Poland and Germany and saying they should be forced out? They are essentially the same, you are saying that an entire group of people don't have a right to live on their land.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22454923]What is the difference between saying that they should be sent back to Poland and Germany and saying they should be forced out? They are essentially the same, you are saying that an entire group of people don't have a right to live on their land.[/QUOTE] She didn't say ROUND UP THE TROOPS AND EXILE THEM she said "hey your country sucks and you should probably leave".

[QUOTE=Mexican;22454976]She didn't say ROUND UP THE TROOPS AND EXILE THEM she said "hey your country sucks and you should probably leave".[/QUOTE] That's complete bullshit and you know it. When asked "Any comments on Israel" she said "Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine". That isn't "You might want to leave because your country is shit," that is more along the lines of "You Jews don't have the right to live in your land,"

Yeah okay they're causing a shit load of problems for themselves and for us. It's not that their country is shit, it's that by being there they're causing all kinds of shit, and for what, for a fucking piece of desert. Also the woman's been around longer than Israel, so while you and me might be willing to accept it's "their land" she's not because she watched them take it.

[QUOTE=Mexican;22455097]Yeah okay they're causing a shit load of problems for themselves and for us. It's not that their country is shit, it's that by being there they're causing all kinds of shit, and for what, for a fucking piece of desert.[/quote] They aren't causing any problems simply by being there. They are causing problems because their government is a piece of shit. [quote]Also the woman's been around longer than Israel, so while you and me might be willing to accept it's "their land" she's not because she watched them take it.[/QUOTE] A lot of those people didn't take anything, they were born there and have every right to live there.

But again she's not advocating throwing them out. She's pointing out that most people would be better off. Also being born there doesn't necessarily give you the right it just means you're not guilty of directly taking land.

[QUOTE=Mexican;22455235]But again she's not advocating throwing them out.[/quote] Listen to the way she said it. That's what she meant. [quote]Also being born there doesn't necessarily give you the right it just means you're not guilty of directly taking land.[/QUOTE] It gives you the same right as any Palestinian.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22455264]Listen to the way she said it. That's what she meant.[/QUOTE] No to me it implies she wants them out but is still leaving the decision up to them which is the practical approach.

[QUOTE=Mexican;22455346]No to me it implies she wants them out but is still leaving the decision up to them which is the practical approach.[/QUOTE] Well we could argue what she meant all day, and in the end the only one who would truly know would be her. I think at the very least the way she phrased it was very anti-semitic.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that we jews can say the same about you. You conquered America from the Indians, you should get back to wherever you came from!

Israelis and Palestinians should just stop being fucking babies, grow up, stop killing each other, and move on with life. I mean... for the love of fuck, they go against the VERY MORALS that their religions say they should uphold and adhere to in fighting each other over some fucking stupid city. It's pathetic.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22447616]Ya, apparently you're right. That's weird, I was always under that assumption. They are very close though. [/QUOTE] no they are not. not even a little [editline]06:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=sltungle;22458159]Israelis and Palestinians should just stop being fucking babies, grow up, stop killing each other, and move on with life. I mean... for the love of fuck, they go against the VERY MORALS that their religions say they should uphold and adhere to in fighting each other over some fucking stupid city. It's pathetic.[/QUOTE] yes, the palestinians should just move on from their refugee camps especially the ones that still have memories of the places they were evicted from never post again, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about

[QUOTE=Chippay;22458601]no they are not. not even a little [/QUOTE] They have Spanish names often times, their cities have Spanish names(and Spanish influenced), and their language is very Spanish influenced. That's more than a little.

[QUOTE=Chippay;22458601]no they are not. not even a little [editline]06:50AM[/editline] yes, the palestinians should just move on from their refugee camps especially the ones that still have memories of the places they were evicted from never post again, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about[/QUOTE] Everyone's just as fucking bad as each other. They should just leave each other alone, mind their own business and try to work towards a BETTER FUTURE instead of continuing to fight each other. Do you honestly think that continuing the way they have been for the past god knows how long they can actually manage to solve their problems? I mean, if fighting for a century hasn't helped so far, how the hell is it supposed to work in the future? It WON'T.

Wow, anyone arguing that the comments she made are not anti-semitic are ridiculous, whether intentional or not.

The problem is tha this is about religion. People say "oh its not their country" There wasn't such an argument when england conquered half of the world in the 1800s. it was just "its wrong" When religion gets involved in ANYTHING one side disagres. Possibly even fatally.

[QUOTE=sltungle;22459012]Everyone's just as fucking bad as each other. They should just leave each other alone, mind their own business and try to work towards a BETTER FUTURE instead of continuing to fight each other. Do you honestly think that continuing the way they have been for the past god knows how long they can actually manage to solve their problems? I mean, if fighting for a century hasn't helped so far, how the hell is it supposed to work in the future? It WON'T.[/QUOTE] You really have absolutely no fucking clue about what's going on...Please, stop posting.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;22458727]They have Spanish names often times, their cities have Spanish names(and Spanish influenced), and their language is very Spanish influenced. That's more than a little.[/QUOTE] because spain colonized them. you have no idea what you are talking about so just stop places in india sometimes have english names. this does not make indians english [editline]05:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=sltungle;22459012]Everyone's just as fucking bad as each other. They should just leave each other alone, mind their own business and try to work towards a BETTER FUTURE instead of continuing to fight each other. Do you honestly think that continuing the way they have been for the past god knows how long they can actually manage to solve their problems? I mean, if fighting for a century hasn't helped so far, how the hell is it supposed to work in the future? It WON'T.[/QUOTE] cool, thanks for not reading my post not fighting each other is a lot different from 'moving on' from a deportation [editline]05:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BigDumbBear;22466707]You really have absolutely no fucking clue about what's going on...Please, stop posting.[/QUOTE] pretty much this

fyi jews are a race [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi[/url]

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;22444467]"and that the Jewish people should go home to "Poland, Germany" Maybe because SHE IS anti-Semite?![/QUOTE] lol, Kero, no she's not you nutcase. [editline]08:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Johnnsen;22444394]With a little of ill will you can hear a really bad comment out of this, the big history jews had there wasn't exactly the best. I'm not sure what to think of this yet.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware the holocaust was still going on. and Jewish culture was there far before WW2 [editline]08:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ker‎o;22445064]You obviously didn't understand what she had meant.. She said Poland and German, reffering to the two biggest countries where mass extermination was done.[/QUOTE] kero, strawmen don't count as intelligent arguments. That or her point went RIGHT over your head. [editline]08:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;22446734]and america too. I guess she really wants them dead :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] fucking lol, yeah, he negated that part [editline]08:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=snuwoods;22448573]Israel is the only civilized country in the Middle East.[/quote] no it isn't [quote]It is the homeland of the Jews.[/quote] carved out of blood [quote]Helen Thomas's comments were pejorative and offensive.[/quote] not to me. [quote]After the atrocities of the Holocaust, it's surprising to hear that no one will support the Jews, who are not the ones provoking violence.[/quote] I don't give a fuck what you went through, if you turn around and oppress people, you deserve to be fucking criticised. [quote]They need support and the Left seems to love to tear at them.[/QUOTE] Support for what? something that happened 80 fucking years ago? [editline]08:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;22450903]I could have done without seeing that close up of her face.[/QUOTE] it's weird how a brilliant journalist like her could be so fucking creepy looking [editline]08:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;22453415]She said she wants the Jews back in Poland, Germany, and the USA. For some reason those people are inferior and can't live where they want? I hate Israel and think it should be Palestine, but that doesn't mean the Jews should be exiled from their own land.[/QUOTE] The Jews need to get the fuck out of the land they stole and killed people on. They shouldn't BE there [editline]08:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;22453735] Uh, she was. Well, Jew isn't a race, but it is anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] no it fucking isn't. The Jews need to leave Israel. The land they have is stolen and built on blood. so what, I'm Anti-Semitic? [editline]08:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;22454011]Did every single Israeli personally invade that home and take it from some Palestinian? Maybe you should get the fuck out of your house because that land might have belonged to some Native American tribe at one point.[/QUOTE] actually a large portion of earlier settlers DID personally take the land.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22453920]Israel is nothing but jews.[/QUOTE] Not really. [editline]03:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;22491594] The Jews need to get the fuck out of the land they stole and killed people on. They shouldn't BE there[/QUOTE] Would have been a good argument 70 years ago but now it is just dumb.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22493450]Would have been a good argument 70 years ago but now it is just dumb.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure. That's the same argument that Arabs have been using [i]since[/i] 70 years, but nobody gave a shat. Nobody paid attention to that argument 70 years ago, and nobody is paying attention to it now. Only liberal circles and communities have recently started paying attention, mainly due to the advent of internet and all the bells and whistles that go with it (youtube, pictures, social networking, many perspectives of a news story). If Israel pulled off something like the Flotilla killings just 10 years ago, we would've watched it (well, our parents) on CBS evening news and utter something like "that darn pesky middle east with all them crazy people" and go back to eating our pasta. But due to today's age of lightning quick information and web 2.0, we see the whole picture. We start giving a damn about what's going on with our tax dollars and atrocities that are carried out. What we're seeing today: Israeli aggression, has been going on for the past 50 years. Its nothing new to the Palestinians or Arabs. To an Arab sitting in a Hookah cafe in Cairo, its just another crime in a loooooooong list of crimes perpetrated by Israel. He utters something like "Oh Israel, when will you stop?" and goes back to smoking his pipe. The only difference between today and 10-15 years ago is that more people are aware of whats going on, especially in the west and especially within the liberal communities (read: mostly young people from middle class). Can we do something about it, due to our new found awareness? Possibly. Change is in the air.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22493450] Would have been a good argument 70 years ago but now it is just dumb.[/QUOTE] It's dumb to tell murderers to leave stolen land?

[QUOTE=Warhol;22494059]It's dumb to tell murderers to leave stolen land?[/QUOTE] Yeah it is after seven decades of building and development there isn't really anything anyone can do about it. It's not like its just a bunch of Jew cabins sitting around and they can just sing Anatevka and gtfo. [editline]04:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BigDumbBear;22494042]I'm not sure. That's the same argument that Arabs have been using [i]since[/i] 70 years, but nobody gave a shat. Nobody paid attention to that argument 70 years ago, and nobody is paying attention to it now. Only liberal circles and communities have recently started paying attention, mainly due to the advent of internet and all the bells and whistles that go with it (youtube, pictures, social networking, many perspectives of a news story). If Israel pulled off something like the Flotilla killings just 10 years ago, we would've watched it (well, our parents) on CBS evening news and utter something like "that darn pesky middle east with all them crazy people" and go back to eating our pasta. But due to today's age of lightning quick information and web 2.0, we see the whole picture. We start giving a damn about what's going on with our tax dollars and atrocities that are carried out. What we're seeing today: Israeli aggression, has been going on for the past 50 years. Its nothing new to the Palestinians or Arabs. To an Arab sitting in a Hookah cafe in Cairo, its just another crime in a loooooooong list of crimes perpetrated by Israel. He utters something like "Oh Israel, when will you stop?" and goes back to smoking his pipe. The only difference between today and 10-15 years ago is that more people are aware of whats going on, especially in the west and especially within the liberal communities (read: mostly young people from middle class). Can we do something about it, due to our new found awareness? Possibly. Change is in the air.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to put it into a realistic perpective, this isn't the middle ages where groups can come and go. When you say something as stupid and unrealistic as that (what she said) to a public that mainly supports Israel you should expect to get shit for it.