Liberal party of Australia considering their own Internet filter.
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@Xonax
The NBN is the national broadband network, a plan to upgrade most of the internet infrastructure in Australia with fibre and provide high speed wireless in other remote areas.
Under labour the fibre was straight to your premises, but the liberals scrapped that and are only delivering it to the node leaving 50 year old copper wires to fuel our countries industry.
Also:
The following is just a theory, you can't really prove it but the news was very biased.
A large amount people believe that Rupert Murdoch being the Chairman of News Corp Australia (i.e. all news but ABC) biased all the media toward the liberals up until the election in order to get this downgraded NBN so that Foxtel(also his) could continue being a thing.
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There was a very large petition against News Corp Australia because of this but it was brushed aside.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43908391]
A large amount people believe that Rupert Murdoch being the Chairman of News Corp Australia (i.e. all news but ABC) biased all the media toward the liberals up until the election in order to get this downgraded NBN so that Foxtel(also his) could continue being a thing.
[/QUOTE]Sounds right, but I'd like to see some hard evidence.
[B]FUCK OFF ABBOTT.[/B]
It seriously won't pass, telcos oppose it, the public hate it and it's simply a waste of taxpayers money
Pretty sure last time this happened we spammed government inboxes with so much porn entire sites crashed.
With such a uncertain parliament and government and a narrow-minded stooge as prime minister who is so indecisive it's obvious the Liberals will not see another term.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43907729]
Jesus can't parents just install netnanny or something instead of wanting the Government doing their dirty work[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]With Net Nanny, you can set each user's profile to view, block, or be warned for the following types of websites (alphabetical order): abortion, alcohol, [B]anime[/B], dating, death/gore, drugs, gambling, lingerie/swimsuits, mature, nudity, pornography, profanity, provocative, proxy, sexual health, suicide, tobacco, and weapons. After many years of experience, [B]these are the categories that customers deem most important.[/B] These categories are the same for Windows, Mac, Android, and iOS.[/QUOTE]
uhhh
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43908391]@Xonax
The NBN is the national broadband network, a plan to upgrade most of the internet infrastructure in Australia with fibre and provide high speed wireless in other remote areas.
Under labour the fibre was straight to your premises, but the liberals scrapped that and are only delivering it to the node leaving 50 year old copper wires to fuel our countries industry.
...[/QUOTE]
Yep, we went from 100Mbps (scaling to 1Gbps eventually) under Labor, to now having the Liberals say 10Mbps is good enough.
If they could actually get the cabinets built on time and the copper was a good enough quality (Both are doubtful) then we'd be seeing solid 24Mbps connections, with the ability to use faster methods (like VDSL), but it's still never going to meet the quality that proper fibre offers, and only delays the fibre rollout (While ending up costing more)
[QUOTE=Animosus;43907602]All I can say is, good fucking luck! Really hope ISPs here do what they did last time something similar was proposed and tell them to piss off.
[URL="http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/george-brandis-signals-internet-filter-rebirth-20140214-hvchm.html"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]
Won't happen.
Incoming, but totally valid rant:
The Government wants to put piracy in a bad light because of quoted statistics like "16% of all Breaking Bad downloads were from Australians", but what they never seem to realise is that [u]people aren't just downloading shit because it's free, it's because shit's too fuckin' unfair to get via other means[/u].
Let me start by saying sure, there will always be people who download things because it's free and no matter what you do, you can't stop that. People find way to own guns in Australia, people find ways to commit crimes. You can try your hardest to restrict this, but in this specific case, honestly, overwhelming piracy in this country is merely a symptom. Of what? [b]Crappy business practices[/b].
For example, Foxtel, our primary paid cable television provider made an exclusivity deal with the Game of Thrones television show to [b]only[/b] be able to view that show via a paid subscription to the TV service. No iTunes. We don't even have access to Netflix. Our only alternative? Waiting months, even a year or more to obtain content on a hard copy - with prices that are well above that of other countries, since we get shafted with regional pricing and import taxes. As another example, even one of our free to air television stations aired the third season of Sherlock a whole month after the show had been released - and that's something very recent.
Years ago, we used to be able to put up with waiting months on end until our shows came (because we had no other decent alternatives), but things started to go bad when television stations started shooting themselves in the foot: Supernatural went strong for five seasons, then after a surprise football match, they started showing repeats from any different seasons like a 6pm re-run of The Simpsons. Stargate would have its timeslot shafted from a solid 8.30pm on a Thursday to not being aired at all, to a 9.30 slot, then to an entirely different day. BBC's Top Gear for years was happily going episode to episode on our public broadcasting network, the ABC - until Channel 9 obtained the airing rights and pulled a 6pm re-run on us. Watching Mythbusters? Forget it. NCIS repeats would just go through entire seasons airing Ziva episodes. Merlin had similar issues to Top Gear once our advertising channels got hold of the licence. I could go on.
Nowadays, we live in a digitally connected world. We have the technology to get our content on-demand and we get our spoilers even faster. If you were a Sherlock fan, you probably were spoilt for Mary's true identity, or informed of Sherlocks drunken escapades weeks before it aired here - we've got Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr and all other forms of social media to thank for that - but keep in mind, they're not the root problem.
We HAVE better options to get our favourite TV shows with. Distributors fail to keep up with the modern digital age and are facing the same issues the record industry did years ago. [b]THIS[/b] is why piracy is such an issue, not just because we can just get their content for free - because I strongly believe that people who are in a position to pay to consume their favourite content, would do so if the conditions of which were fair. I know that's certainly been the case in my household.
If we could download all the HD content we wanted upon release and get it for a fair price, watch as piracy sharply drops in our country. As someone on my Twitter timeline said: "I pirate all my TV and movies because of distribution. I'm not going to wait x weeks/months for an Aussie release".
Yeah Breaking Bad was fucked around a lot in Australia, it was shown on Showcase for a while and you had to wait a long time to watch the newest ep, then Fox came back to Australia and re-established FX which was an absolute god send because they started showing it earlier
Another example is The Walking Dead, Showcase delayed all the episodes for months for some fucked up reason, when FX came to Australia, Fox buyed the show from them and now they do ExpressPlay from the US including something that was never heard of called Same Time Play where FX shows a show at the same time the Americans are watching it just to combat piracy
While saying that, you can only watch FX on Foxtel and there isn't any better alternatives at the moment, FetchTV is getting there but it doesn't help when most of the major channels people want are wholly or half owned by Foxtel which means
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Also a lot of free to air channels now use ExpressPlay as an added bonus but in reality a lot of "ExpressPlays" are delayed for more than 48 to 72 hours, because NBC, CBS, FOX and ABC fuck with us and our stations in terms of contract agreements and shit
Not to mention the majority of our Prime time TV is now made up of the worst reality shows I've ever seen.
Between channel 7, 9 and 10, at around 7:30PM to 8:30PM, you have bogans trying to build a house, upper class Bogans trying to cook food, and fat bogans trying to lose weight.
good fucking luck filtering the internet guys
worked so well last time
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43929832]Yeah Breaking Bad was fucked around a lot in Australia, it was shown on Showcase for a while and you had to wait a long time to watch the newest ep, then Fox came back to Australia and re-established FX which was an absolute god send because they started showing it earlier
Another example is The Walking Dead, Showcase delayed all the episodes for months for some fucked up reason, when FX came to Australia, Fox buyed the show from them and now they do ExpressPlay from the US including something that was never heard of called Same Time Play where FX shows a show at the same time the Americans are watching it just to combat piracy
While saying that, you can only watch FX on Foxtel and there isn't any better alternatives at the moment, FetchTV is getting there but it doesn't help when most of the major channels people want are wholly or half owned by Foxtel which means
[editline]16th February 2014[/editline]
Also a lot of free to air channels now use ExpressPlay as an added bonus but in reality a lot of "ExpressPlays" are delayed for more than 48 to 72 hours, because NBC, CBS, FOX and ABC fuck with us and our stations in terms of contract agreements and shit[/QUOTE]
to add onto your post
If I can't get breaking bad or whatever by netflix (Fuck TV, it'll be out of order and waiting for it to get on isn't worth it, nor is paying for thousands of channels yet only have 1% of it actually interesting) what the hell can I do other than pirate it? I wouldn't pirate but, others would, because how else can they get it?
I really don't think there is a way to stop pirating outside of shutting off the entire internet and using an automated system for approving everything that goes though forcing only very specific content to be allowed... and EVEN THEN it'll still exist.
Why the fuck do they keep bringing it up, it's so incredibly unpopular.
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;43930184]Why the fuck do they keep bringing it up, it's so incredibly unpopular.[/QUOTE]
Do you speak from personal experience or from opinion polls? Because as far as I am aware it's really not that unpopular. Especially what they are proposing, making people feel like it's only for the pirates who download things illegally. Many people who don't do that won't object.
I'm not saying it isn't unpopular, just questioning what authority you have it from to suggest that it is.
Some people would believe it's because Rupert Murdoch has strong ties with the liberal party.
i.e. to keep Foxtel a thing along with the NBN.
[editline]16th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=gerbe1;43930210]Do you speak from personal experience or from opinion polls? Because as far as I am aware it's really not that unpopular. Especially what they are proposing, making people feel like it's only for the pirates who download things illegally. Many people who don't do that won't object.
I'm not saying it isn't unpopular, just questioning what authority you have it from to suggest that it is.[/QUOTE]
Because it was COMPLETELY shut down last time they mentioned it because it turned out not to be viable, a bunch of ISP's refused it as well.
This was also during the election so they have brought it back out AFTER they said they weren't going to do it. Granted the filter isn't for porn and such any more but even still they are basically admitting to lying about election promises by bringing this back.
[QUOTE]He continued: "Another option that some stakeholders have raised with me is to provide the Federal Court with explicit powers to provide for third party injunctions against ISPs, which will ultimately require ISPs to take down websites hosting infringing content."[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong, and it could be shitty wording on their part - but isn't that effectively just saying you can't host those types of sites in Australia (hence the ISP taking it down - as opposed to stopping or preventing access to it, which would include filtering).
[QUOTE=J!NX;43929943]to add onto your post
If I can't get breaking bad or whatever by netflix (Fuck TV, it'll be out of order and waiting for it to get on isn't worth it, nor is paying for thousands of channels yet only have 1% of it actually interesting) what the hell can I do other than pirate it? I wouldn't pirate but, others would, because how else can they get it?
I really don't think there is a way to stop pirating outside of shutting off the entire internet and using an automated system for approving everything that goes though forcing only very specific content to be allowed... and EVEN THEN it'll still exist.[/QUOTE]
The only way to combat piracy here is to
- Seriously stop Foxtel owning the entire fucking monopoly on Pay TV by selling their wholly owned networks to over companies
- Speed up ExpressPlay, there is literally no excuses for delays in this day and age
- Bring Netflix to Australia because it would make some serious money (we have QuikFlix but it's shit and nobody uses it)
- Allow other PayTV companies have Foxtel owned channels (this is right now the only reason foxtel dominates, most of the major foxtel channels used to be owned by XYZ networks which made it possible for other companies to have their channels, but after Foxtel swallowed up Austar, XYZ networks went along with)
- More government regulations on PayTV having the upper hand to Freeview, something like the sport regulations which limits what Fox Sports can purely show
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;43907890]That I see no problem with, though.[/QUOTE]
Considering the UK's shitty filter censored a rape crisis center, I very highly doubt this would be anywhere close to accurate in terms of piracy detection.
[QUOTE=shauntp;43930222]I could be wrong, and it could be shitty wording on their part - but isn't that effectively just saying you can't host those types of sites in Australia (hence the ISP taking it down - as opposed to stopping or preventing access to it, which would include filtering).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=sauce]
The Abbott government is considering a major crackdown on online piracy, including forcing internet service providers to [B]block websites[/B] that allow users to illegally stream or download movies, music and television shows.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43930213]Some people would believe it's because Rupert Murdoch has strong ties with the liberal party.
i.e. to keep Foxtel a thing along with the NBN.[/QUOTE]
It can only be. There is no way that you can stop piracy by prohibition. You need to stop it by providing good quality content that is easily accessible. You need to mitigate piracy. You can't block it.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43930213]Because it was COMPLETELY shut down last time they mentioned it because it turned out not to be viable, a bunch of ISP's refused it as well.[/QUOTE]
The proposal then was entirely different. They wanted to filter more than just piracy. A key reason there was such opposition was because of the then opposition, which was so effective that they could have stopped almost anything.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;43930213]Some people would believe it's because Rupert Murdoch has strong ties with the liberal party.
i.e. to keep Foxtel a thing along with the NBN.[/QUOTE]
Rupert Murdoch was shoveling so much money and time into his newspapers and news shows to completely support the Liberal party, the guy has the biggest man crush on Tony Abbott ever and he's a complete cunt too.
People are starting to drop the need for Foxtel anyway, so Rupert is now making Foxtel possible to have online with Foxtel Play, but even that is expensive.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43930253]Rupert Murdoch was shoveling so much money and time into his newspapers and news shows to completely support the Liberal party, the guy has the biggest man crush on Tony Abbott ever and he's a complete cunt too.
People are starting to drop the need for Foxtel anyway, so Rupert is now making Foxtel possible to have online with Foxtel Play, but even that is expensive.[/QUOTE]
Foxtel is an overpriced luxury. Nobody I know even considers to use it because they just have a proxy set up to use Netflix.
I'm still surprised Abbott got elected in the first place
What were we thinking
[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;43930276]Foxtel is an overpriced luxury. Nobody I know even considers to use it because they just have a proxy set up to use Netflix.[/QUOTE]
My family has Foxtel IQ2, all channels and all, it's only because we're with a bundle on Telstra for it so it made it cheaper and viable
[QUOTE=HyperTails;43930289]I'm still surprised Abbott got elected in the first place
What were we thinking[/QUOTE]
DON'T INVADE ME WITH BOATS AND TAXES!
Is probably the gist of it.
[QUOTE=gerbe1;43930250]It can only be. There is no way that you can stop piracy by prohibition. You need to stop it by providing good quality content that is easily accessible. You need to mitigate piracy. You can't block it.
The proposal then was entirely different. They wanted to filter more than just piracy. A key reason there was such opposition was because of the then opposition, which was so effective that they could have stopped almost anything.[/QUOTE]
[quote=Malcolm Turnbull]
The Coalition has never supported mandatory internet filtering. Indeed, we have a long record of opposing it.
[/quote]
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-05/no-internet-filter-says-turnbull/4939156[/url]
[QUOTE=HyperTails;43930289]I'm still surprised Abbott got elected in the first place
What were we thinking[/QUOTE]
At least he's not kevin rudd!!!!
I'm fine with it being like Opt-In, only if that Opt-In wasn't the default setting of course
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