Climate researchers and scientists are literally protesting in the streets over Trump
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[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545473]The whole problem with climate change and battling it at the moment is generally how negative people get if you express a opposite opinion.
Its pretty much safe to say the people that still believe global warming is not real are pretty strong in belief about it and you may think they are stupid but they probably are not stupid.
We need to stop as a people as a whole stop calling people stupid or dumb fucks when they disagree Instead try to educate and never ever presume.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to educate someone when they think they've already been educated by false news and lies told by those funded through big oil.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545473]The whole problem with climate change and battling it at the moment is generally how negative people get if you express a opposite opinion.
Its pretty much safe to say the people that still believe global warming is not real are pretty strong in belief about it and you may think they are stupid but they probably are not stupid.
We need to stop as a people as a whole stop calling people stupid or dumb fucks when they disagree Instead try to educate and never ever presume.[/QUOTE]
This should go without saying.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545504]It's hard to educate someone when they think they've already been educated by false news and lies told by those funded through big oil.[/QUOTE]
Thinking like this does not go far to help the issue.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545773]Thinking like this does not go far to help the issue.[/QUOTE]
Me thinking that way doesn't change the fact that it's how some view the subject.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545773]Thinking like this does not go far to help the issue.[/QUOTE]
I'm fully aware that dismissing people as <insert insult here> doesn't help the problem, but like... How the fuck do we deal with these sort of people? Like if you have an actual solution, liberals would like to hear it.
I know you're going to say "Have an actual debate" but that's what we've been trying to do, or at least, that's what I've been trying to do.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545473]We need to stop as a people as a whole stop calling people stupid or dumb fucks when they disagree Instead try to educate and never ever presume.[/QUOTE]
and we need to stop unfairly dismissing factual evidence that scientists/professionals have spent almost decades researching and publishing.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545402]To be fair, they should only bee worried if they work in the public sector.
Those working for private businesses and companies literally have nothing to worry about unless Trump specifically targets that job for no reason whatsoever which is probably illegal to do anyway.[/QUOTE]
i can't imagine there's too many private sector jobs for climate research that aren't tied to some form of government funding or other.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51544677]regardless of how true climate change is, and even if you disagree with regulations, making every possible thing more clean and efficient should be the absolute end goal of everything
Money doesn't matter
regulations outside of 'clean' doesn't matter
climate change's "TRUTH" doesn't matter
the only thing that matters is that everyone needs to have an end goal of cleaner energy. Even if we don't phase gas and coal out, we can work to make that have less of an impact.
I shouldn't have trouble breathing in a suburban town when I have no asthma just because its an insanely busy day for cars. I can't imagine how shit it must be for cities and less clean areas.[/QUOTE]
Well, you'll have to move from that country or wait for a humanity reset and a new 1.1 human brain, because political and economic power will play the big role no matter how much we want it and how it looks, the ones who got it are going to keep using coal, oil and natural gas and won't allow little groups of people to diminish their profits and in turn their de facto power.
That, unless it becomes cheaper to turn to green, in which everyone will want to move to green.
But, I'm calling it now (inb4 so it's said on the internets), if this SOMEHOW happens, Africa and LATAM are going to get MASSIVELY fist fucked (Resources needed for technology).
So, we're still going to have the same situation.
It's a nice world we live in.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51545822]I'm fully aware that dismissing people as <insert insult here> doesn't help the problem, but like... How the fuck do we deal with these sort of people? Like if you have an actual solution, liberals would like to hear it.
I know you're going to say "Have an actual debate" but that's what we've been trying to do, or at least, that's what I've been trying to do.[/QUOTE]
Really all you can do is try. Be respectful, be friendly, and try your damnedest to show them reason. The worst thing you can do is simply attack the persons beliefs as that'll just make it that much harder.
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[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;51545839]and we need to stop unfairly dismissing factual evidence that scientists/professionals have spent almost decades researching and publishing.[/QUOTE]
Well no shit that goes without saying if they deny climate change. Stop with this "us vs them" mentality. Its the reason people like trump get into positions of power.
Good thing they're wearing lab coats. Otherwise, I wouldn't believe they were scientists.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;51547405]Good thing they're wearing lab coats. Otherwise, I wouldn't believe they were scientists.[/QUOTE]
Its an identification thing. The lab coats make it easy for a bystander to recognize that they're scientists protesting and not just random people.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;51547405]Good thing they're wearing lab coats. Otherwise, I wouldn't believe they were scientists.[/QUOTE]
Kind of sad that that's probably exactly why they wore them, so people would believe they're actually scientists.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51547424]Kind of sad that that's probably exactly why they wore them, so people would believe they're actually scientists.[/QUOTE]
Well i mean its no different then mine workers wearing mining helmets at protests, or construction workers wearing hard hats and hazard vests. Its just a really easy and sensible way to show random people walking or driving by exactly who they are and what they're doing
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It also gives them some credibility too
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51547438]Well i mean its no different then mine workers wearing mining helmets at protests, or construction workers wearing hard hats and hazard vests. Its just a really easy and sensible way to show random people walking or driving by exactly who they are and what they're doing
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It also gives them some credibility too[/QUOTE]
Well, mine and construction workers actually have to wear that stuff, regulations and all.
Climate scientists can show up in a sweaty T-Shirt if they want
[QUOTE=EcksDee;51547463]Well, mine and construction workers actually have to wear that stuff, regulations and all.
Climate scientists can show up in a sweaty T-Shirt if they want[/QUOTE]
Well thats not the point. If they just wore T-shirts then theyd just look like random dudes. It helps people readily identify them.
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And miners and construction workers dont have a regulation telling them to wear their uniforms to protests. They do it for other reasons.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545402]To be fair, they should only bee worried if they work in the public sector.[/QUOTE]
Are you telling me that scientists should just not care about science?
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[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545473]The whole problem with climate change and battling it at the moment is generally how negative people get if you express a opposite opinion.[/QUOTE]
Climate change denial is only slightly better than Flat Earth Theory. It's still people just saying [I]"I don't believe the scientists, they're all paid off by the government"[/I] and ignoring everything to the contrary as being part of the conspiracy. They'll cite the one doctor that agrees with them, and disregard the thousands that don't agree. You can't educate people who are unwilling to learn.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51548341]Are you telling me that scientists should just not care about science?
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:what:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51549285]:what:[/QUOTE]
He said Scientists were worried, you said they do not need to be worried. They're worried because they know better than anyone what's happening to the planet. They have a damn good reason to be worried.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51547422]Its an identification thing. The lab coats make it easy for a bystander to recognize that they're scientists protesting and not just random people.[/QUOTE]
i should totally go protesting in my full PPE of 2 layers of gloves, arm socks, rubber apron, lab coat, face-shield and steel toed boots then because that'd make me the most sciency of scientists
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51549310]He said Scientists were worried, you said they do not need to be worried. They're worried because they know better than anyone what's happening to the planet. They have a damn good reason to be worried.[/QUOTE]
I meant about job security, not science.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545473]The whole problem with climate change and battling it at the moment is generally how negative people get if you express a opposite opinion.
Its pretty much safe to say the people that still believe global warming is not real are pretty strong in belief about it and you may think they are stupid but they probably are not stupid.
We need to stop as a people as a whole stop calling people stupid or dumb fucks when they disagree Instead try to educate and never ever presume.[/QUOTE]
You can only teach those who are willing to be taught. You underestimate the number of people who think that they're experts on this subject because they've read some fake news articles and have such fragile egos that they automatically stop listening to anybody who tries to teach/lecture them.
We haven't got time to keep playing this game anymore. We haven't got time to try and be "understanding". You either get it, or you don't. You either know what you're talking about, or you don't. You either listen and act like an intelligent and rational human being who is trying to stop the literal fucking destruction of the planet they share with almost 7.5 billion others... or you don't. It's a pretty simple scientific matter that's being needlessly complicated by typical human social behaviors and politics.
What I don't understand is why we keep allowing this to happen. Why are we allowing people who have no scientific understanding of this issue to have the power to legislate policy on it? Why are we allowing a bunch of uneducated fools to be making decisions that affect all of us when they're clearly not capable?
If you have a problem with your car, you go to a mechanic. If you're sick, you go to the doctor. And yet we still have people who think that they know more than the world's leading climate scientists about the topic of climate change because... reasons. This wouldn't ordinarily be a problem, except these exact same people we unfortunately allow to make big decisions about this stuff (which, again, they do not understand) when they vote.
Fucking [i]Socrates[/i] warned about the dangers of having this kind of an uneducated free-for-all democracy in Athens more than two millennia ago. Why have we not learned anything from this?
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Fucking [i]Socrates[/i] warned about the dangers of having this kind of an uneducated free-for-all democracy in Athens more than two millennia ago. Why have we not learned anything from this?[/QUOTE]
If you mean the political system itself: Because the alternatives tend to be way worse (though you can reduce the dangers a lot by establishing proportional representation and a consensus requirement for forming a government).
Other than that it's a matter of education, but somehow I doubt the people currently in power in the US would benefit from making their voters smarter (or from making the elections more nuanced, for that matter).
I'm not imminently worried about my job since I work as a subcontractor for NASA on non climate science stuff, but I don't think this administration bodes well for NASA as an agency.
Good on these folks though, wish they could have more impact
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