Middle East: carved up by caliphates, enclaves, and fiefdoms? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=person11;47854508] Whether we, however, have a responsibility to fix our ancestors' problems is what's up for debate. I personally think we do have a responsibility, but others are going to disagree and that is ok I guess.[/QUOTE] I feel bad for the Mongols. Think of all the people they have to compensate for their actions.

They lost the ability to do so once they lost their empire. We still effectively rule most of the world (not in pure landmass but in pretty much every other way), so we are still able to solve the problems we caused with enough effort. But I doubt we will do so.

How would we solve it though? Topple every single Government in the region and set up new ones with new borders? We couldn't even set up Iraq, how are we going to manage it with the entire region?

[QUOTE=person11;47856766]They lost the ability to do so once they lost their empire. We still effectively rule most of the world (not in pure landmass but in pretty much every other way), so we are still able to solve the problems we caused with enough effort. But I doubt we will do so.[/QUOTE] You realize all of these "problems" that were caused by the US was through attempting to "solve" previous problems, right?

Yes. We were extremely incompetent, though. Disbanding the Iraqi military in 2003 will be taught for a generation as the worst tactical policy decision ever made. Once you realize most of the current insurgency started there, you also realize that stabilizing Iraq would have been much easier with some more critical thinking. I'm not saying solving the problems made by the British and the French at the end of WWI are anything but mindfuckingly difficult.

[QUOTE=Reshy;47850617]The middle-east is not our problem to fix.[/QUOTE] Depends on your point of view. As a human problem the Middle-East definitely is our problem to fix. As an American problem it depends on what you feel America's role is and should be. Eventually, someone's going to tame the Middle-East. And the means by which they do it may not be very merciful. When you have that level of chaos, it threatens all order.

[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;47851082]That's because the borders are fucking shit! The only way to fix it is to basically purge the place and completely depopulate it, removing all traces that Homo Sapiens was ever there, then resettle it again[/QUOTE] yeah, maybe we should manufacture a virus that targets Middle Easterners only and slowly melts them into human mush, and then we can use that mush to feed the African continent, solving two problems with one decision

[QUOTE=person11;47858172]Yes. We were extremely incompetent, though. Disbanding the Iraqi military in 2003 will be taught for a generation as the worst tactical policy decision ever made. Once you realize most of the current insurgency started there, you also realize that stabilizing Iraq would have been much easier with some more critical thinking. I'm not saying solving the problems made by the British and the French at the end of WWI are anything but mindfuckingly difficult.[/QUOTE] Well pretty much all of the arbitrary, nonsensical boarders in the middle east that were made by the europeans haven't helped any. They have lead to a lot of the problems with middle east governments, and now no country is willing to give up land that they can't rule because its giving up land, so more realistic boarders are a Pipedream [editline]2nd June 2015[/editline] Stabilize a government it still doesn't unify the country

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47858225]Eventually, someone's going to tame the Middle-East. And the means by which they do it may not be very merciful. When you have that level of chaos, it threatens all order.[/QUOTE] I doubt there is a local power that can "tame" the whole region. Once one of the groups gets more power, others unite to beat the shit out of it just to continue fighting each other after is's gone\weakened enough. It's a self sustaining system of some sort. Invading the middle east doesn't make much sense too though. Kicking their super military just to get millions of angry people ready to fight gorilla warfare can hardy be treated as effective strategy. I think the best way to deal with the region is to leave it alone.