[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;33825401]I doubt you have a muzzleloader, because if you if you loaded it with smokeless you would be dead right now. Never EVER load a black powder gun with smokeless powder, it will literally blow up and kill you. And doubling the powder in a muzzleloader isn't going to get you better performance, in fact it will make the gun shoot less accurately and just waste powder.[/QUOTE]
you're thinking of a musket
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I'm firing a savage 10ml-ii which is built for smokeless. range shooters recommend 2 pellets, factory recommends 3, hunters recommend 4, which is what I use.
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by smokeless I mean pyrodex pellets btw, just using smokeless as a generic term for black powder substitutes.
Well thats shit luck
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33825407]you're thinking of a musket
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I'm firing a savage 10ml-ii which is built for smokeless. range shooters recommend 2 pellets, factory recommends 3, hunters recommend 4, which is what I use.
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by smokeless I mean pyrodex pellets btw, just using smokeless as a generic term for black powder substitutes.[/QUOTE]
Don't confuse the two, Pyrodex is not Smokeless powder, there have been a lot of people who bought muzzleloaders lately and used the wrong powder, either because the store employees sold them smokeless or they picked it out themselves and then they were killed when their gun turned into a pipe bomb when they tried to fire it for the first time. Smokeless powder generates much higher pressures than Pyrodex or Black powder and the guns aren't able to take it.
Aimbotters these days :/
But in all seriousness, that is some bad luck she had there :(
Remember when GunFox said that bullets shot into the air can't seriously harm you, even though hundreds of people are killed every year by it.
That was a funny thread.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;33825512]Don't confuse the two, Pyrodex is not Smokeless powder, there have been a lot of people who bought muzzleloaders lately and used the wrong powder, either because the store employees sold them smokeless or they picked it out themselves and then they were killed when their gun turned into a pipe bomb when they tried to fire it for the first time. Smokeless powder generates much higher pressures than Pyrodex or Black powder and the guns aren't able to take it.[/QUOTE]
smokeless doesn't inherently generate more pressure
[QUOTE=Esrange;33823572]Unfortunate that it happened. I bet the guy who accidentally shot the rifle is probably miserable that he did it.
Take this as a word of warning, [i]make sure your gun is always unloaded before cleaning it[/i]. This happens every-so often which bothers me the most. This shouldn't happen at all.[/QUOTE]
If nothing else, just pull the trigger while aiming at the ground. It can't be [I]that[/I] hard.
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[QUOTE=Tuskin;33823684]This happened a few years ago as well during I think New Years, someone shot their gun up in the air and the bullet landed in a church hitting a kid.
though that time it wasn't an accident while cleaning, the guy was just shooting the gun in celebration or some dumb shit.[/QUOTE]
Happens in mexico etc all the time as people fire guns in celebration
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[QUOTE=Toasticle;33824581]but he killed someone[/QUOTE]
Essentially indirectly. Should you be charged for mass murder when poor people around the world die to support your lifestyle?
Gun control is clearly the solution to this problem.
[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;33823785]Reminds me of all the people you see on TV shooting their weapons into the air in celebration. And then they wonder why people just drop dead to random bullets.[/QUOTE]
Nowadays they shoot blanks.
My grandma's sister was killed by his brother because he was cleaning his rifle which was loaded.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33825251]where was he supposed to fire it? in the ground usually isn't any safer. if it's hard packed or particularly wet it could (read will) ricochet, if it's rocky it'll send fragmentation all over the place. about the only safe thing to shoot it in to is a hay bale or sand which I don't know about you [b]but I don't have either one nearby.[/b][/QUOTE]
So then get a pile of sand? Or is it better to randomly send projectiles into the air, *hoping* that they won't hit someone?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33826802]Remember when GunFox said that bullets shot into the air can't seriously harm you, even though hundreds of people are killed every year by it.
That was a funny thread.[/QUOTE]
Isn't he the mod who always argues about the USA and it's military?
Kinda reminds me of this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPnENRRfag[/media]
Only accidental :v:
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33825251]where was he supposed to fire it? in the ground usually isn't any safer. if it's hard packed or particularly wet it could (read will) ricochet, if it's rocky it'll send fragmentation all over the place. about the only safe thing to shoot it in to is a hay bale or sand which I don't know about you but I don't have either one nearby.[/QUOTE]
You'd think someone with a gun that can only be unloaded by firing would have a safe way to unload it at hand. If you don't you're just asking for trouble.
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[QUOTE=Oppenheimer;33827306]Isn't he the mod who always argues about the USA and it's military?[/QUOTE]
Yeah
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33826802]Remember when GunFox said that bullets shot into the air can't seriously harm you, [b]even though hundreds of people are killed every year by it.[/b]
That was a funny thread.[/QUOTE]
Please cite.
I would ask for a portrait of the victim to properly pay respect but i suppose amish don't own cameras do they.
This sort of stuff is what causes ridiculous gun control laws to be passed.
Who cleans their weapon when its loaded. They could have blown their own head off as well.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33828135]Who cleans their weapon when its loaded. They could have blown their own head off as well.[/QUOTE]
Well it seems 617 people were killed by firearm 'accidents' in 2007 alone :v:
So it seems quite a few.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33824312]no, a freak accident kills again. this is roughly as probable as getting hit by a meteor immediately after getting struck by lightning twice.[/QUOTE]
he was cleaning a loaded gun, which is very unsafe in itself, but it also means he might have stored it loaded, which is also VERY stupid, hell, if you ask me, they should teach gun safety in schools, anywhere, it might help with gun crime, and will help with stopping allot of accidental shootings
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33823560]Poor gun safety kills again.[/QUOTE]
Still pretty weird. How did he shoot it in the air and it managed to hit the girl 2km away of the place where he shot it?
[QUOTE=dass;33828513]Still pretty weird. How did he shoot it in the air and it managed to hit the girl 2km away of the place where he shot it?[/QUOTE]
Excuse me? Modern rifles have a deadly range of several kilometers. There's no doubt a bullet can go that far, but hitting her would be impossible, considering this is a muzzle loader, and not some engineering miracle chambered in eargesplitten loudenboomer and equipped with optics worth several thousand dollars.
It requires the best training and equipment aviable to intentionally hit someone at such a range, but it has been done.
Besides, if he fires a gun in the air in a random direction and not near 90 degrees up, ofcourse it's not going to hit somewhere nearby, it's gonna go [B]far[/B].
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[QUOTE=viperfan7;33828208]he was cleaning a loaded gun, which is very unsafe in itself, but it also means he might have stored it loaded, which is also VERY stupid, hell, if you ask me, they should teach gun safety in schools, anywhere, it might help with gun crime, and will help with stopping allot of accidental shootings[/QUOTE]
Forgetting that your muzzle loader is loaded is quite a weird thing too, considering it's a somewhat long process you don't accidentally forget you did right before you leave the range.
Damn that sucks. What are the chances of that happening?
[QUOTE=Noble;33824609]When someone gets killed by someone else, they look for intent or negligence. There doesn't seem to be either in this case, it appears to have just been a freak accident, so they can't charge him.[/QUOTE]
I could see him being charged with negligence of some form, seeing as he neglected to follow proper safety procedures in cleaning his gun
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[QUOTE=CAPSMAN!;33828662]
Forgetting that your muzzle loader is loaded is quite a weird thing too, considering it's a somewhat long process you don't accidentally forget you did right before you leave the range.[/QUOTE]
stranger things have happened
Who the fuck cleans a loaded gun? He should be charged just for that.
[QUOTE=Midas22;33829174]Who the fuck cleans a loaded gun? He should be charged just for that.[/QUOTE]
Read the OP.
Showed this to a friend, he said that America should ban guns.
Maybe he should be banned
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;33826804]smokeless doesn't inherently generate more pressure[/QUOTE]
Uh, yes it does, that's why the guns can't handle it. Unless you're still talking about Pyroshit, which is not smokeless powder, it's just overpriced crap.
[QUOTE=jbthekid;33829089]Damn that sucks. What are the chances of that happening?[/QUOTE]
Well, the diameter of a human head is 0.2 m
At a distance of 2000 m that is an angle of ...
2 * tan(theta) = 0.1 / 2000
theta = 0.01146°
Therefore the chance of the rifle pointing in the right left-right direction is
0.01146 / 360 = 0.0000318
The chance of the rifle pointing in the correct up/down direction is (parabolic trajectory has 2 valid angular solutions, we will assume for simplicity elevation tolerance = windage tolerance)
0.01146 / 360 * 2 = 0.0000637
Therefore chance of the rifle pointing in the correct direction is 0.000000000202
In other words, there is a [B]1 : 494 million[/B] chance that a rifle fired in a random direction 2 km from a persons head will score a headshot if the two possible flight paths of the bullet are unobstructed.
[QUOTE=Tolyzor;33829954]Well, the diameter of a human head is 0.2 m
At a distance of 2000 m that is an angle of ...
2 * tan(theta) = 0.1 / 2000
theta = 0.01146°
Therefore the chance of the rifle pointing in the right left-right direction is
0.01146 / 360 = 0.0000318
The chance of the rifle pointing in the correct up/down direction is (parabolic trajectory has 2 valid angular solutions, we will assume for simplicity elevation tolerance = windage tolerance)
0.01146 / 360 * 2 = 0.0000637
Therefore chance of the rifle pointing in the correct direction is 0.000000000202
In other words, there is a 1 : 494 million chance that a rifle fired in a random direction 2 km from a persons head will score a headshot if the two possible flight paths of the bullet are unobstructed.[/QUOTE]
Aw shit someone [I]had[/I] to get the math out.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33827745][url]http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/83/1/283[/url][/QUOTE]
hundreds of people a year != 118 over the course of 7
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