Sure feels good how Thisispain and the Islamic Army of Facepunch abandoned this thread after they couldn't answer this:
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26365499]Muslims are to seriously resist individual apostasy before it seriously intensifies and develops into a collective one. That is why the Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26384849]Sure feels good how Thisispain and the Islamic Army of Facepunch abandoned this thread after they couldn't answer this:[/QUOTE]
There's no answer cause that wasn't a question.
Just sayin'
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26384849]Sure feels good how Thisispain and the Islamic Army of Facepunch abandoned this thread after they couldn't answer this:[/QUOTE]
For starters, that's a statement.
Second, it barely makes sense, just a load of words.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26384950]For starters, that's a statement.
Second, it barely makes sense, just a load of words.[/QUOTE]
You're obviously not an Islamic scholar. I said that apostates in Islam are executed, someone disputed that, and I said that to prove my point, then you left the thread in a hurry lol!
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26385684]You're obviously not an Islamic scholar. I said that apostates in Islam are executed, someone disputed that, and I said that to prove my point, then you left the thread in a hurry lol![/QUOTE]
Some catholics blow up buildings because they disagree with their government, what's your point?
Religion is something not fundamentally controlled by asshats who think their opinion on what a certain passage means more than your average asshat in the street, and just because the elder dudes say "yeah this means we kill them" doesn't mean that every muslim is gonna suddenly start running around wielding a blade beheading folk who aren't muslim.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26385824]Some catholics blow up buildings because they disagree with their government, what's your point?
Religion is something not fundamentally controlled by asshats who think their opinion on what a certain passage means more than your average asshat in the street, and just because the elder dudes say "yeah this means we kill them" doesn't mean that every muslim is gonna suddenly start running around wielding a blade beheading folk who aren't muslim.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but imagine if the Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon, and Reformed Churches all called out for the death of apostates in this modern day and age. That's the equivalent situation in Islam.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26385886]Maybe, but imagine if the Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon, and Reformed Churches all called out for the death of apostates in this modern day and age. That's the equivalent situation in Islam.[/QUOTE]
except they're not doing that
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26385886]Maybe, but imagine if the Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon, and Reformed Churches all called out for the death of apostates in this modern day and age. That's the equivalent situation in Islam.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but no, cause Islam authorities aren't calling for the death of apostates.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26385991]Yeah but no, cause Islam authorities aren't calling for the death of apostates.[/QUOTE]
It's a big question out there, who really is an authority for muslim fundamentalists.
It doesn't matter who the authority for the fundamentalists is, cause the fundamentalists are a minority.
There's no real authority in Islam. Every nation has it's own authority. Caucasian muslims, for example, do not have authorities at all, they just listen to anybody who claims power over them, be it a terrorist or someone else. And Saudy Arabia, as far as I know, has it's own gouvernment as religion authority, same for Iran.
Islamic authorities is also political authorities, unlike any other religion.
[QUOTE=gudman;26386142]There's no real authority in Islam. Every nation has it's own authority. Caucasian muslims, for example, do not have authorities at all, they just listen to anybody who claims power over them, be it a terrorist or someone else. And Saudy Arabia, as far as I know, has it's own gouvernment as religion authority, same for Iran.
Islamic authorities is also political authorities, unlike any other religion.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not, but these are the main schools of Islamic jurisprudence in the whole world, thus the ones that claim the grand majority of followers among whatever religious authorities exist in the Muslim world.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26386217]Maybe not, but these are the main schools of [b]Islamic jurisprudence[/b] in the whole world, thus the ones that claim the grand majority of followers among whatever religious authorities exist in the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]
Sounds god damn oxymoronic.
Its a bunch of people rambling at this point.
[QUOTE=bravehat;26385991]Yeah but no, cause Islam authorities aren't calling for the death of apostates.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JDK721;26385973]except they're not doing that[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, absolutely they are if they can get away with it.
Look at Iran.
[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;26360178]True in some ways but what would you deem moderate? Some muslim family with 8 kids? Marrying their cousins and not fitting into society. I think what i would class as a moderate muslim would be one that does not follow their religion much if at all - kinda like most christians who "are" christians but dont go to church.[/QUOTE]
Agree. The moderate followers of any religion are barely religious. They're practically Agnostic Theists but a little more specific.
Fuck the Saudis. Fuck their curriculum. Fuck the idiots running the "Islamic" schools in Britain.
- The rest of the Muslim people
[QUOTE=Strider*;26393682]Oh yes, absolutely they are if they can get away with it.
Look at Iran.[/QUOTE]
As I've mentioned earlier, conflict because of ethnicity, religion, and other beliefs are common problems in most third world countries. It's not just Iran + Islam.
[QUOTE=David29;26288258]Unfortunately I agree with Starpluck on this occasion. The day we start giving up morals and rules in favour of freedom of opinions is a very dark day indeed.[/QUOTE]
What morals? Many people know morals about as good as their head from their ass already. Freedom of opinion is a safeguard in the United States. There have been times when general society get swept up in superficial beliefs, and there will that minority with that one "crazy" opinion who, ironically, were right. There is of coarse plenty of slate that people through around put the opinion tag on it, but it's not death to anyones ears to hear it.
For the record, I know for a fact as well that there are Muslims here who are not influenced by mainstream middle-eastern Islamic teachings such as these hate lectures at this school. Nobody ever talked about "eradication", so don't take it there.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26386217]Maybe not, but these are the main schools of Islamic jurisprudence in the whole world, thus the ones that claim the grand majority of followers among whatever religious authorities exist in the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]
Now look. As I have said before, the Qur'an can be understood in a myriad of ways. The Qur'an states that apostates will be punished by Allah, but the scholars want to speed up this process because in their eyes apostasy is equivalent of high treason, especially in these times of religious tension. Just because the high 'leaders' of Islam say so, does not mean that the entirety of the muslim world would think so. Times have changed and the Scholars are following out-dated bylaws and traditions of their respective cultures that don't really apply today.
I'm also laughing at you with your whole smugness routine. Learn Arabic, go read the Qur'an and take from it what you will, then come back and start talking. Don't take facts from random sites because there is no religious site that is not biased.
threads like this prove that raw hatred against muslims is something pop atheists, racist conservatives and evangelical christians can enjoy together. seeing such radically different groups come together gives me hope that we can unite as one human race one day. :allears:
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26384849]Thisispain and the Islamic Army of Facepunch[/QUOTE]
sounds like an awesome band
Sergeant Thisispain And The Lonely Islamic Armies of Facepunch Club
fyi i left because you are mentally insane
[QUOTE=thisispain;26401603]sounds like an awesome band
Sergeant Thisispain And The Lonely Islamic Armies of Facepunch Club
fyi i left because you are mentally insane[/QUOTE]
rofl, whatever helps you sleep at night.
ITT: Brage Nyman and Gentlemanne spew hatred with their fingers in their ears when the point being made is that extremism and fundamentalism in ANY form can be dangerous.
[QUOTE=OddLawnGnome;26402256]ITT: Brage Nyman and Gentlemanne spew hatred with their fingers in their ears when the point being made is that extremism and fundamentalism in ANY form can be dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26402698]Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.[/QUOTE]
If your "extremism in the defence of liberty" involves unfair persecution of Islam, then no, there's a bloody big vice. If "moderation in the pursuit of justice" is moderation in the pursuit of false justice, then no, it's a virtue.
What you're doing is finding the most obscure, violent interpretation of Islam you can and presenting it as the "true" Islam. Given that there are numerous, wildly different interpretations, the "true" Islam is the Islam that is actually practiced - and it's certainly not your version.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26402082]rofl, whatever helps you sleep at night.[/QUOTE]
it doesn't, considering your insane rhetoric is one i've heard many times before
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26402857]If your "extremism in the defence of liberty" involves unfair persecution of Islam, then no, there's a bloody big vice. If "moderation in the pursuit of justice" is moderation in the pursuit of false justice, then no, it's a virtue.
What you're doing is finding the most obscure, violent interpretation of Islam you can and presenting it as the "true" Islam. Given that there are numerous, wildly different interpretations, the "true" Islam is the Islam that is actually practiced - and it's certainly not your version.[/QUOTE]
Obscure? I just referenced the [b]eight biggest[/b] schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
[QUOTE=thisispain;26403086]it doesn't, considering your insane rhetoric is one i've heard many times before[/QUOTE]
Good show, decrying people of differing opinion as insane instead of trying to face their arguments.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26403142]
Good show, decrying people of differing opinion as insane instead of trying to face their argument.[/QUOTE]
i've faced it many times before and you've completely ignored it because you don't really give a fuck
why should i humour you by pretending you do
ITT: Mingus Major places us in an Islamic Army
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