[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252426]Islam cannot be reformed. It has to be eliminated. And you're right in asking the question you've been asking throughout the thread, what do we gain from thinking like this? We gain nothing as long as there isn't sufficient political will throughout the West to deal with this problem head on. But, seeing the way the wind is blowing, that might not be far off hopefully.[/QUOTE]
but i don't understand how you can have the same exact thought as the people you are fighting against, without a single shred of irony
both radical islam, and what you are suggesting, is against western thoughts and principles
destroy islam and christianity.
why are there so many fascists and racists/bigots in this thread?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26252429]You cannot see this post because Sir Whoopsalot is on your ignore list.
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I was right to assume your next post would be childish. it's obvious that the real troll here is you, the state of my argument is obviously of no concern to you so be quiet
[QUOTE=JDK721;26252490]why are there so many fascists and racists/bigots in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Human nature, fear of the unknown, fuck if I know.
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252533]I was right to assume your next post would be childish. it's obvious that the real troll here is you, the state of my argument is obviously of no concern to you so be quiet[/QUOTE]
Eh, no.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;26252403]I said Islam must be eradicated. Not all those who believe in it. No, that kind of vile xenocidal thought is exclusive to the muslims themselves. If you don't believe as they do, they'll take the first oppurtunity to do what allah says to you. Oh, right, that's murder. How can you sympathize with such atrocious belief systems?[/QUOTE]
i'm not sympathizing with anything. i was born a feminist. i'm a pacifist. for fucks sake i don't eat meat. but most importantly, i want to uphold our english system of thought. we already have a reputation of being a police state
how will we appear to the rest of the world if we cannot handle our own social issues to the point where we must blame a social group?
why are there so many fascist, rascist, bigots in islam?
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;26252602]why are there so many fascist, rascist, bigots in islam?[/QUOTE]
because that's how a traditional society operates
a traditional society views every single individual in their own caste, name, and role
this is why i ask you this because you view islam in a traditional way
you don't care who they are, all you think you need to know is that they are islamic and that's it, because that's how you survived in a traditional society
it's akin to the scottish clans
do i need to know that person if he's from the bruce clan?
NO! he's a bruce, and that's all i need to know. he is my enemy
[QUOTE=JDK721;26252392]a lot of racism in this thread..[/QUOTE]
Last I checked Islam wasn't a race broseph, it was a religion. Eradicating a religion which seems to be the cause of pretty much all our terrorist threats and is just plain outdated for modern society doesn't seem like a bad idea to me really.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26252680]Last I checked Islam wasn't a race broseph, it was a religion. Eradicating a religion which seems to be the cause of pretty much all our terrorist threats and is just plain outdated for modern society doesn't seem like a bad idea to me really.[/QUOTE]
it would be naive to assume race is not involved
in a traditional society, race is very important
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252485]but i don't understand how you can have the same exact thought as the people you are fighting against, without a single shred of irony
both radical islam, and what you are suggesting, is against western thoughts and principles[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in abandoning what must be done for what should be done.
[QUOTE=JDK721;26252458]yes, the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world all think like that. they're obviously part of a hivemind.[/QUOTE]
Oh, ofcourse. "Moderate" muslims right?
[QUOTE=JDK721;26252458]you're a bigot.[/QUOTE]
"Waaaah! You're a mean person! Waaah!"
you got this thisispain
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;26252680]Last I checked Islam wasn't a race broseph, it was a religion. Eradicating a religion which seems to be the cause of pretty much all our terrorist threats and is just plain outdated for modern society doesn't seem like a bad idea to me really.[/QUOTE]
Alright, how many islamic people are from the west then?
Besides that, why immediately drop the eradication card? Okay, they've got some strange ideas about us but that's no reason to just get rid of them.
my point is that we as englishman or americans, or any other western nationality, cannot crumble back to a traditionalist system when we are faced with an issue in our society
why is it that when we talk about islam, we lose 500 years of progress, and start stereotyping, rationalizing with the "they did it so it's okay for us" type of speech?
human society will survive. UK is quite safe and quite politically stable, we don't need to scapegoat anything or anyone
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252707]it would be naive to assume race is not involved
in a traditional society, race is very important[/QUOTE]
Right, it may be. But I don't care what race the person who believes in something is, only if they are stupid enough to follow it to the letter and not think for themselves or become an extremist. Which is one of the things you see a lot with believers of Islam. I know it would be hard to eradicate it now that it has become part of their culture, but there has to be some way to stop it getting worse than it is.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;26252746]
why is it that when we talk about islam, we lose 500 years of progress, and start stereotyping, rationalizing with the "they did it so it's okay for us" type of speech?
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These guys are about a millennium or 2 behind us in daily life at times.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252722]I don't believe in abandoning what must be done for what should be done.[/QUOTE]
but then you, like radical islam, are incompatible with western thought
but because i like to see myself as a westerner who is liberal, i tolerate your belief and give you the permission to speak and practice within law
why do you have a problem with people doing the same as you?
[editline]23rd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26252757]Right, it may be. But I don't care what race the person who believes in something is, only if they are stupid enough to follow it to the letter and not think for themselves or become an extremist. Which is one of the things you see a lot with believers of Islam. I know it would be hard to eradicate it now that it has become part of their culture, but there has to be some way to stop it getting worse than it is.[/QUOTE]
this is exactly my point though. this mindset of "Islam is our enemy, we must eradicate it" is the road to making it worse. i would love for all islamic people to start treating women properly and start doing all the shit we westerners do, but you must realize, violence and force is not the way to do it
i mean come on, how well did all of our shadow governments fare? if you ask me, Iran is worse off than it was before the west meddled in it
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;26252403]I said Islam must be eradicated. Not all those who believe in it. No, that kind of vile xenocidal thought is exclusive to the muslims themselves. If you don't believe as they do, they'll take the first oppurtunity to do what allah says to you. Oh, right, that's murder. How can you sympathize with such atrocious belief systems?[/QUOTE]
We should get rid of those damn Christians, too. Can't turn your back on them for one second, or they'll burn you for witchcraft and blow up British Parliament.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26252743]Besides that, why immediately drop the eradication card? Okay, they've got some strange ideas about us but that's no reason to just get rid of them.[/QUOTE]
People like you are the reason we haven't rid ourself of this problem yet. You lack the willpower to do what must be done.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26252782]You cannot see this post because Sir Whoopsalot is on your ignore list.[/QUOTE]
you gave up your chance to participate, i'm sorry
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252790]
this is exactly my point though. this mindset of "Islam is our enemy, we must eradicate it" is the road to making it worse. i would love for all islamic people to start treating women properly and start doing all the shit we westerners do, but you must realize, violence and force is not the way to do it
i mean come on, how well did all of our shadow governments fare? if you ask me, Iran is worse off than it was before the west meddled in it[/QUOTE]
Okay, perhaps eradicate was a bit too strong a word. But changing Islamic believers to start recognizing that social values have changed and making them follow that instead of a extremely old law isn't going to be easy exactly.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252873]People like you are the reason we haven't rid ourself of this problem yet. You lack the willpower to do what must be done.[/QUOTE]
God forbid I try to be tolerant rather than impulsive, right?
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252790]this is exactly my point though. this mindset of "Islam is our enemy, we must eradicate it" is the road to making it worse. i would love for all islamic people to start treating women properly and start doing all the shit we westerners do, but you must realize, violence and force is not the way to do it.[/QUOTE]
Quite the opposite. You see, we're in a unique position of power and ability to rid ourselves of this scourge once and for all, what you're talking about is Lex Talionis, or an eye for an eye, but they don't really have the capacity to take ours.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26252912]Okay, perhaps eradicate was a bit too strong a word. But changing Islamic believers to start recognizing that social values have changed and making them follow that instead of a extremely old law isn't going to be easy exactly.[/QUOTE]
but i haven't heard one way that someone would accomplish that, all i've heard is the same garbage talk that the BNP likes to spew
this is why i constantly repeated "what do you think that kind of thinking will accomplish"
[QUOTE=hexpunK;26252912]Okay, perhaps eradicate was a bit too strong a word. But changing Islamic believers to start recognizing that social values have changed and making them follow that instead of a extremely old law isn't going to be easy exactly.[/QUOTE]
Weaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26252921]God forbid I try to be tolerant rather than impulsive, right?[/QUOTE]
Yes, god forbid you try to be a limpwristed faggot instead of acting boldly. Speed is the essence of war.
[QUOTE=thisispain;26252790]but then you, like radical islam, are incompatible with western thought
but because i like to see myself as a westerner who is liberal, i tolerate your belief and give you the permission to speak and practice within law
why do you have a problem with people doing the same as you?
[editline]23rd November 2010[/editline]
this is exactly my point though. this mindset of "Islam is our enemy, we must eradicate it" is the road to making it worse. i would love for all islamic people to start treating women properly and start doing all the shit we westerners do, but you must realize, violence and force is not the way to do it
i mean come on, how well did all of our shadow governments fare? if you ask me, Iran is worse off than it was before the west meddled in it
[editline]23rd November 2010[/editline]
this is exactly my point though. this mindset of "Islam is our enemy, we must eradicate it" is the road to making it worse. i would love for all islamic people to start treating women properly and start doing all the shit we westerners do, but you must realize, violence and force is not the way to do it
i mean come on, how well did all of our shadow governments fare? if you ask me, Iran is worse off than it was before the west meddled in it[/QUOTE]
Sadly you wouldn't receive such grandiose respect for a differing opinion were you to go to the heart of islam in the middle east and offer your differing viewpoint.
'This woman left her home without permission, stone her!' 'That doesn't sound right...' 'Stone the non-believer too!'
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252931]Quite the opposite. You see, we're in a unique position of power and ability to rid ourselves of this scourge once and for all, what you're talking about is Lex Talionis, or an eye for an eye, but they don't really have the capacity to take ours.[/QUOTE]
So you want what we have in Iraq spread over the entire middle east? Is what what you want?
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252931]Quite the opposite. You see, we're in a unique position of power and ability to rid ourselves of this scourge once and for all, what you're talking about is Lex Talionis, or an eye for an eye, but they don't really have the capacity to take ours.[/QUOTE]
well what i would say is, you're in the same small minority as the radical islamists so uh
should we eradicate your kind for several reasons, being they stir up violence and hatred?
how do you respond to that, because the UK is very active in eradicating your kind, which i think is wrong
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26252931]Quite the opposite. You see, we're in a unique position of power and ability to rid ourselves of this scourge once and for all, what you're talking about is Lex Talionis, or an eye for an eye, but they don't really have the capacity to take ours.[/QUOTE]
Whaaaaaaaaa?
Fuck this, I'm outta here. Just no reasoning with some of you guys.
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