Lessons of Hate at Islamic Schools in Britain - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26254747]Hahaha oh wow what? Read about colonisation, bro.[/QUOTE] Colonization stopped a long time ago, bro. I'm talking about modern times.

[QUOTE=thisispain;26253218]well that would be an awful world to live in[/QUOTE] The law should not be influenced by or over ruled by something unproven.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256039]The law should not be influenced by or over ruled by something unproven.[/QUOTE] but law today comes from the evolution of many things without an oppressive church there would never be the enlightenment

[QUOTE=thisispain;26256146]without an oppressive church there would never be the enlightenment[/QUOTE] That is the dumbest thing I have heard today.

okay but i'd like to see proof that without Hammurabi's code today's law would be better

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256180]That is the dumbest thing I have heard today.[/QUOTE] Why? Many good things in history wouldn't have happened without bad things. For example many wars are considered "bad" and caused many number of deaths, but throughout history wars drove people to invent new stuff. The cold war for example lead to great technologic advancements, which might have occurred without the war, but would have certainly not occurred as fast.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256180]That is the dumbest thing I have heard today.[/QUOTE] He's right. In other words, there wouldn't be people to doubt/challenge religion if religion was peaceful and not forceful.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26256287]Why? Many good things in history wouldn't have happened without bad things. For example many wars are considered "bad" and caused many number of deaths, but throughout history wars drove people to invent new stuff. The cold war for example lead to great technologic advancements, which might have occurred without the war, but would have certainly not occurred as fast.[/QUOTE] That is entirely fucking different from what he was saying. To say that oppressing advancement leads to an overall good is horrendously misjudged. Does burning books today lead to technological advancement tomorrow?

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256349]That is entirely fucking different from what he was saying. [/QUOTE] what no it's not my point is religious law was incredibly important in the development of today's law

[QUOTE=thisispain;26256364]what no it's not my point is religious law was incredibly important in the development of today's law[/QUOTE] You don't need religion to know killing is bad for society. And yeah it is different, Religion oppressing scientific advancement is different from using scientific advancement for war.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256424]You don't need religion to know killing is bad for society. And yeah it is different, Religion oppressing scientific advancement is different from using scientific advancement for war.[/QUOTE] ugh you're missing the point today's law system is a result of historical advancement in law which includes religious laws and texts you wanna talk about 1760 BCE then yeah apparently people did need to fear "god's son" in order to follow the law

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;26256424]You don't need religion to know killing is bad for society. And yeah it is different, Religion oppressing scientific advancement is different from using scientific advancement for war.[/QUOTE] However, it does lead into doubt of religion and more into curiosity of science. Past scientists didn't want to be primitive as the people who burn books.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;26252968]Sadly you wouldn't receive such grandiose respect for a differing opinion were you to go to the heart of islam in the middle east and offer your differing viewpoint. 'This woman left her home without permission, stone her!' 'That doesn't sound right...' 'Stone the non-believer too!'[/QUOTE] You are speaking from your heart here, I can see. I can't understand however how spreading hatred helps the situation. And of course the extremists in various religions can give people a bad impression. There have been savage, intolerant and warlike Christians throughout history - and even recently many people have been shocked by doctrines and practices within the Roman Catholic church. This doesn't mean the religion isn't good in principle, what it means is that human nature is such that some people twist and pervert religions to suit whatever they want to justify doing. In my opinion it is bigots like yourself who contribute greatly to the harm religions which have been hijacked by unscrupulous individuals can do.

Oh islam, how I love thee

[QUOTE=thisispain;26252401]excuse me, i have made an argument already have fun on my ignore list[/QUOTE] Lose an argument. Ignore.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;26257145]Lose an argument. Ignore.[/QUOTE] lol excuse me i won the argument he wasn't even participating in it but okay

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;26257145]Lose an argument on the internet. Ignore.[/QUOTE] Fix'd

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26253377]It's just that Christians and Jews almost always know that they can't enforce their religions upon others, when they don't, they are criticized just as much as Muslims (WBC, anyone?).[/QUOTE] I hope this is a joke.

Mormons too, they're sure fun. Islam doesn't really go out of their way to convert people in the same way Christian missionaries do, or at least they're not as well known. Never had door to door Muslims myself.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26261378]Mormons too, they're sure fun. Islam doesn't really go out of their way to convert people in the same way Christian missionaries do, or at least they're not as well known. Never had door to door Muslims myself.[/QUOTE] You must mean Jehovah's Witness.

[QUOTE=Glaber;26261586]You must mean Jehovah's Witness.[/QUOTE] Can't we have both? It's not like there's not enough crazy in the world for two strangely belligerent religious groups.

ShukaidoX assumes that all islamic people believe in shit treatment of women that's like saying all Christians are strict roman catholic

[QUOTE=starpluck;26261238]I hope this is a joke.[/QUOTE] It's not. The fact is that Muslim extremists are nowadays a lot more "dangerous" than Christian extremists. I mean, what's the worst thing someone has done in the name of Christianity in the past 10 years? Maybe blow up an abortion clinic. However, Muslims have killed and attacked a lot of people who have criticized Mohammed, and there are other things such as raping women who don't conceal themselves enough in countries such as England and Sweden. There's a different between trying to convert you peacefully as Christians do, and enforcing your religion on others as extremist Muslims do.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26263788]It's not. The fact is that Muslim extremists are nowadays a lot more "dangerous" than Christian extremists. I mean, what's the worst thing someone has done in the name of Christianity in the past 10 years? Maybe blow up an abortion clinic. However, Muslims have killed and attacked a lot of people who have criticized Mohammed, and there are other things such as raping women who don't conceal themselves enough in countries such as England and Sweden. There's a different between trying to convert you peacefully as Christians do, and enforcing your religion on others as extremist Muslims do.[/QUOTE] That's not really trying to convert you, it's just forcing their morals and beliefs on you. While there haven't been as many due to being a first world country, America still has quite a few cases of Christians doing similar things because they conflict with their religious values. If you're a Shinto or someone in their congregation, if you conflict with their views then they object, sometimes violently.

You know, there are Muslims out there that aren't so overtly religious or fanatic. There are some Muslims who have Jewish friends. And not all Muslims are violent. if you want to talk people who are violent are the Arabs but not Muslims. Not all Muslims are Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslims

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26263788]It's not. The fact is that Muslim extremists are nowadays a lot more "dangerous" than Christian extremists. I mean, what's the worst thing someone has done in the name of Christianity in the past 10 years? Maybe blow up an abortion clinic. However, Muslims have killed and attacked a lot of people who have criticized Mohammed, and there are other things such as raping women who don't conceal themselves enough in countries such as England and Sweden. There's a different between trying to convert you peacefully as Christians do, and enforcing your religion on others as extremist Muslims do.[/QUOTE] That's not forcing you to convert to Islam and you went off the subject by saying Muslim extremists are more dangerous. [quote]Muslims have killed and attacked a lot of people who have criticized Mohammed[/quote] I fail to see how this relates to Islam forcing others to convert to Islam. [quote]and there are other things such as raping women who don't conceal themselves enough in countries such as England and Sweden. [/quote] I fail to see how this relates to Islam forcing others to convert to Islam, because it does not. And regardless, that is a great example of post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy [editline]24th November 2010[/editline] If you're saying they rape Swedish/English women as a punishment for not concealing themselves in England/Sweden then that is one of the dumbest unsourced claims I heard in a while.

[QUOTE=starpluck;26263921]That's not forcing you to convert to Islam and you went off the subject by saying Muslim extremists are dangerous are more dangerous. I fail to see how this relates to Islam forcing others to convert to Islam. I fail to see how this relates to Islam forcing others to convert to Islam, because it does not. And regardless, that is a great example of post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy [editline]24th November 2010[/editline] If you're saying they rape women as a punishment for not concealing themselves in England/Sweden then that is one of the dumbest unsourced claims I heard in a while.[/QUOTE] Making fun of Mohammed is something that isn't allowed in Islam, gambling is something that isn't allowed in Christianity. If you make fun of Mohammed in a Muslim country you will most likely be attacked or killed, if you gamble in a Christian country nobody will say or do anything. You may argue that making fun of Mohammed is a much worse sin in Islam than gambling is to Christianity, but my point still stands, that doing something that's considered wrong in Islamic countries will get others to attack you, while doing something that's considered wrong in Christian countries won't get you hurt, mostly. The most dangerous thing that could happen to you is if you open an abortion clinic then a group of Christian extremists might blow it up, but they will still refrain from killing anyone inside.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26263973]Making fun of Mohammed is something that isn't allowed in Islam, gambling is something that isn't allowed in Christianity. If you make fun of Mohammed in a Muslim country you will most likely be attacked or killed, if you gamble in a Christian country nobody will say or do anything. You may argue that making fun of Mohammed is a much worse sin in Islam than gambling is to Christianity, but my point still stands, that doing something that's considered wrong in Islamic countries will get others to attack you, while doing something that's considered wrong in Christian countries won't get you hurt, mostly. The most dangerous thing that could happen to you is if you open an abortion clinic then a group of Christian extremists might blow it up, but they will still refrain from killing anyone inside.[/QUOTE] Not the point man. Christians still do some of that in less civilised countries and it's completely independent of which religion they follow, it's all forcing others to follow your morals. The difference between what Muslims have done and what Christians have done in the past decade is a poor indicator due to Christian countries on average being richer and a massive spike on the Muslim side. Also while Gambling isn't approved of in Christianity, it isn't a cardinal sin. If you do it illegally in the US, you will get punished. It may not be mob justice but the idea is still there.

[QUOTE=thisispain;26252188] are we not supposed to be a liberal west, are we not supposed to be calm and inviting? how can we convert them to our system of thought if we present it as hostile[/QUOTE] Would a liberal west be so tolerant as to allow a total cultural takeover? There has to be a boundary drawn somewhere. And why would a multicultural society try to "convert them to our system of thought"?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26261378]Mormons too, they're sure fun. Islam doesn't really go out of their way to convert people in the same way Christian missionaries do, or at least they're not as well known. Never had door to door Muslims myself.[/QUOTE] Islam does not want conversions.