[QUOTE=Devodiere;26261378]Mormons too, they're sure fun.
Islam doesn't really go out of their way to convert people in the same way Christian missionaries do, or at least they're not as well known. Never had door to door Muslims myself.[/QUOTE]
yeah, instead of sending missionaries to distant lands they sent armies instead
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing;26264972]yeah, instead of sending missionaries to distant lands they sent armies instead[/QUOTE]
Not like Christians didn't do that too. Towards the end they kinda gave up because who cares what religion the savages follow but Christians sure weren't against attacking countries for the hell of it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26264988]Not like Christians didn't do that too. Towards the end they kinda gave up because who cares what religion the savages follow but Christians sure weren't against attacking countries for the hell of it.[/QUOTE]
christianity spread fairly peacefully to begin with. christians were persecuted for a few hundreds years under the roman empire and then constantine converted.
muhammad, after being 'enlightened', immediately raised an army and began to conquer cities in the name of allah
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oh, forgive me, i forgot that before he raised an army he flew to jerusalem on a magical horse and then back again.
This scares me.
Not the thread topic, what the thread has turned into. So much intolerance and such a lack of understanding I have not seen for quite some time. I remember people used to get banned for saying some of the hateful shit people are posting here.
This is not islam. This is radical islam. There is a fucking gigantic difference.
[QUOTE=Catdaemon;26265090]This scares me.
Not the thread topic, what the thread has turned into. So much intolerance and such a lack of understanding I have not seen for quite some time. I remember people used to get banned for saying some of the hateful shit people are posting here.
This is not islam. This is radical islam. There is a fucking gigantic difference.[/QUOTE]
Can you tell me the difference,i would like to hear so i can justify it better
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing;26265056]christianity spread fairly peacefully to begin with. christians were persecuted for a few hundreds years under the roman empire and then constantine converted.
muhammad, after being 'enlightened', immediately raised an army and began to conquer cities in the name of allah[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting what happened after that. Christians from Europe took over most of the world with advanced weaponry while the closest thing to another organised Muslim expansion was the Ottomans. I don't think Christianity was common in South America or Africa until the Christians took over and I really doubt the Muslim world was rampaging when every Muslim area was a European colony.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26265111]You're forgetting what happened after that. Christians from Europe took over most of the world with advanced weaponry while the closest thing to another organised Muslim expansion was the Ottomans. I don't think Christianity was common in South America or Africa until the Christians took over and I really doubt the Muslim world was rampaging when every Muslim area was a European colony.[/QUOTE]
One example is the Crusades
Mandatory "Islam is a Religion of Peace"?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26265111]You're forgetting what happened after that. Christians from Europe took over most of the world with advanced weaponry while the closest thing to another organised Muslim expansion was the Ottomans. I don't think Christianity was common in South America or Africa until the Christians took over and I really doubt the Muslim world was rampaging when every Muslim area was a European colony.[/QUOTE]
the european powers didnt practice colonization to force christianity onto the native peoples, although forced conversion was common in the spanish and portuguese empires. the early muslim empires expanded and conquered solely to convert people to islam.
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[QUOTE=Kim_Jong_il;26265173]One example is the Crusades[/QUOTE]
you mean the crusades where both Muslims and Christians fought over who got to force their religion upon the holy land?
It's sad to see a religion fall this far from its roots. Back in the day Muhammad talked all about peace between religions, especially the ones of the book. Hell, some of Muhammad's closest allies were Jewish tribes. There were no forced conversions on anyone, and violence was only used in self defense. The reason its now such an asshole religion is because of all the various factions trying to justify political action through Islam. You can't go and blame a religion as a whole, its people who are corrupting it for their own gains who are to blame.
Also a lot of you are being just as blind as these radical Islamists.
[QUOTE=Greaterbeing;26265199]the european powers didnt practice colonization to force christianity onto the native peoples, although forced conversion was common in the spanish and portuguese empires. the early muslim empires expanded and conquered solely to convert people to islam.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't the sole purpose of conquering those lands just as it wasn't for the Arab empires. Western nations either killed out the natives so their own (Christian) people flourished or the natives up as second class citizens and offered conversions to Christianity as a way out. Either way, it may not have been as immediate as Muslims empires but they still got them by the throat.
The Arab empires expanded not just for their religion but for the same reasons as anyone else, to expand their own empire. It's not really all of Islam converting everyone you conquer either, the Ottomans did something similar to Christians in just setting up a system that favoured Muslims.
[QUOTE=markfu;26265233]It's sad to see a religion fall this far from its roots. Back in the day Muhammad talked all about peace between religions, especially the ones of the book. Hell, some of Muhammad's closest allies were Jewish tribes. There were no forced conversions on anyone, and violence was only used in self defense. The reason its now such an asshole religion is because of all the various factions trying to justify political action through Islam. You can't go and blame a religion as a whole, its people who are corrupting it for their own gains who are to blame.
Also a lot of you are being just as blind as these radical Islamists.[/QUOTE]
its called bureaucracy
Islam is almost like a "disease" your parents brainwash into your brain from day one, just so you can do the same thing to your own children. It's sick.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26265328]Religion is almost like a "disease" your parents brainwash into your brain from day one, just so you can do the same thing to your own children. It's sick.[/QUOTE]
Fix'd
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26265348]Fix'd[/QUOTE]
Nice generalisation you got going there.
My parents never brainwashed me or ever forced any of their views on me.
[QUOTE=David29;26265513]Nice generalisation you got going there.
My parents never brainwashed me or ever forced any of their views on me.[/QUOTE]
Ok then, why is it ok to claim Islam does it then? Just because you don't have any anecdotal evidence to say otherwise? There's nothing between the two that makes one brainwashing and the other all happy friendly except the culture of the people with the Religion. If your parents don't indoctrinate you, great. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other people and his statement applies just as well to all religions as it does to Islam.
I'm raising my children Buddhist; they got it right.
[QUOTE=macacan;26265909]I'm raising my children Buddhist; they got it right.[/QUOTE]
Better yet, why don't you let your children discover (or not!) god/enlightenment/peace of mind on their own? It is what my parents did for me and what I plan on doing for my children.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26265697]Ok then, why is it ok to claim Islam does it then? Just because you don't have any anecdotal evidence to say otherwise? There's nothing between the two that makes one brainwashing and the other all happy friendly except the culture of the people with the Religion. If your parents don't indoctrinate you, great. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other people and his statement applies just as well to all religions as it does to Islam.[/QUOTE]
Funny, because I don't recall making any accusations against Islam. On the contrary, I recognise that malevolent and pressuring theists are generally the minority and are known as "extremists". However, you seem to think that all religions, and all members of a religion, act in exactly the same way when they clearly don't. When I try to point this out, you make fabricated claims.
I also like how Starpluck rated him 'zing' for something that is completely incorrect. Shows what you know.
Each religion has bad news, the christian child molestion, isreal vs palestina, this,...
As long as the religion has some reasonable people that accept eachother, i don't mind living with them.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;26265348]Fix'd[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;26265328]Islam is almost like a "disease" your parents brainwash into your brain from day one, just so you can do the same thing to your own children. It's sick.[/QUOTE]
It's not the belief that's forcing you, it depends on your parents.
[QUOTE=David29;26266215]Funny, because I don't recall making any accusations against Islam. On the contrary, I recognise that malevolent and pressuring theists are generally the minority and are known as "extremists". However, you seem to think that all religions, and all members of a religion, act in exactly the same way when they clearly don't. When I try to point this out, you make fabricated claims.
I also like how Starpluck rated him 'zing' for something that is completely incorrect. Shows what you know.[/QUOTE]
Actually I rated him Zing for having to put up with your bullshit. He's perfectly correct, it's just that you're trying to make it seem only Muslim parents force their beliefs on their kids while this does not occur in other religions.
Shows how much you know.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;26247013][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/world/europe/23britain.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss[/url]
Scary thing is, this is what they teach out of textbooks in Saudi Arabia...
I've got to watch this 'Panorama' episode on Iplayer then.[/QUOTE]
Sounds similar to the Christian schools I went to.. Except for the Jew part.
[QUOTE=starpluck;26271518]Actually I rated him Zing for having to put up with your bullshit. He's perfectly correct, it's just that you're trying to make it seem only Muslim parents force their beliefs on their kids while this does not occur in other religions.
Shows how much you know.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow. Just... Wow.
So he's correct... Even though I said nothing that he said I said? Right. And where did I say, exactly, that only Muslims forces their views on others? I can't see where I did say that... Oh that's right, because I didn't say it.
Get a grip, stop putting words in my mouth.
I still don't understand all the hate on the Jews.
They're such a tiny minority. If they didn't have all the money nobody would know about them.
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You fucking muppet, Islam is not a race
[QUOTE=Zenpod;26273233]You fucking muppet, Islam is not a race[/QUOTE]
you're naive as shit if you think the anti-muslim sentiment in britain has nothing to do with race
[QUOTE=BCell;26263865]You know, there are Muslims out there that aren't so overtly religious or fanatic. There are some Muslims who have Jewish friends.
And not all Muslims are violent. if you want to talk people who are violent are the Arabs but not Muslims. [/QUOTE]
This can only be said so many times before it loses meaning.
[QUOTE=Gentlemanne;26247171]Islam is a stain on the surface of the planet and must be eradicated, that's what I'm trying to say.
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BS ban.
I was under the impression that no matter how much you disagree with someones opinion you aren't allowed to ban them. Looks like we got ourselves TH89 2.0.
any kind of bigotry isn't tolerated on this forum
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