• Google Fiber Users Receiving Automated Fines for Piracy
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[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;47777381]Speaking of pirating movies, here's my list of all the best movies to download from the past few years. 1:[/QUOTE] You self centered prick! Now they won't have funds to film 2:
[QUOTE=Goz3rr;47777500][url]https://rms.sexy/[/url][/QUOTE] i could watch this go on all day. just pics of stallman using his laptop in unusual spots
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47778367]I am actually proud that its legal to download and use warez for non commercial reasons in Estonia.[/QUOTE] If I'm not totally mistaken it isn't quite [I]that[/I] illegal in Germany either. (You won't get fined in practice because it's simply not worth it for the companies, and even if they tried the court would probably throw it out because the amount in dispute would be tiny.) What people do get sued over regularly is uploading though. I'd be surprised if Estonia didn't have a paragraph also against unlicensed noncommercial distribution of copyrighted content, which would make torrenting of such material illegal.
Wow, this is actually a major turn off for Google Fiber.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47778367]I am actually proud that its legal to download and use warez for non commercial reasons in Estonia.[/QUOTE] That's actually really awesome. I used to have a warez copy of Virtual DJ because it was $200-$300 for the program, and I was only using it at home or at friends' parties for free (I wasn't making money with it). However, they changed to a new system. Now, basic home use (non-professional use without a controller) of the full program is free, advanced home user (non-professional use, with controller) is charged based on the controller you use ($99 for my Mixtrack Pro 2) for the full version, and professional use (make money, use any controller) is $300, or a $20/month subscription. Their reason is because they want to keep entry costs low for aspiring DJs so aspiring DJs can see if they have what it takes to be successful or not. They think initial costs are keeping would be great DJs from ever starting. But what they really did was make the warez version useless for the vast majority of people who would warez their program. They did this by implementing a "content unlimited subscription" for legit versions so you don't even have to buy or pirate music, music videos, or karaoke videos/tracks, and by allowing free non-commercial use of their product. If more companies kept the casual/beginner consumer in mind the same way, you would most likely see a dramatic drop in warez software.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47778415]If I'm not totally mistaken it isn't quite [I]that[/I] illegal in Germany either. (You won't get fined in practice because it's simply not worth it for the companies, and even if they tried the court would probably throw it out because the amount in dispute would be tiny.) What people do get sued over regularly is uploading though. I'd be surprised if Estonia didn't have a paragraph also against unlicensed noncommercial distribution of copyrighted content, which would make torrenting of such material illegal.[/QUOTE] actually you do get fined here in Germany a lot, a few weeks ago someone I knew got fined bout 1500 euros. It's lawyers doing this for some cash.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;47777584]No.[/QUOTE] The end result is the same though. Just because a company sends you a professional looking letter with a lawyer's name on the bottom doesn't mean anything. A company can't impose a fine on a person, they have to sue you. You can just ignore letters like that no problem. There's a great presentation I think from DefCon where the owner of textfiles.com talks about being sued for like billions of dollars and how "legal notices" are usually complete bullshit that should just be ignored.
What's the point of faster speeds if I can't use it to download Linux distros? I'll stick with verizon
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47778367]I am actually proud that its legal to download and use warez for non commercial reasons in Estonia.[/QUOTE] The ultimate plan Move to the EU But spend the weekends in Estonia downloading huge amounts of shit nobody could catch me
[QUOTE=SuperHoboMan;47777381]Speaking of pirating movies, here's my list of all the best movies to download from the past few years. 1:[/QUOTE] Movie of the year, all years. :v:
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47778738]The ultimate plan Move to the EU But spend the weekends in Estonia downloading huge amounts of shit nobody could catch me[/QUOTE] Well, since we got to EU, Finnish people have been going on weekends to Estonia because booze is at least 2x cheap in here. Wait, everything is way beyond "cheap" for people from Finland in here.
Filesharing isn't illegal in my country, so fuck you Google.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;47778553]actually you do get fined here in Germany a lot, a few weeks ago someone I knew got fined bout 1500 euros. It's lawyers doing this for some cash.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.e-recht24.de/news/tauschboersen/7410-filesharing-a-co-neues-gesetz-zur-begrenzung-der-abmahnkosten-geplant.html"]Attorney costs were capped at 155.30€ early in 2013[/URL], and that's only if the amount in dispute exceeds 1000€. Otherwise it's lower. There's no way they were fined that much for downloading and noncommercial use only. Either they were seeding/uploading, or they paid an invoice that wasn't legally binding (which is the same as these automated "fines" sent to Google Fiber users).
Give them enough time and this'll be straightened out. That said, even though this is a large concern/issue. Its not as bad as the other ISPs by a long shot.
[QUOTE=Winner;47777427]i once got a copyright notice for Brazilian Big Butt Goddesses 5 or something like that pretty sure one of my friends forgot he was torrenting porn when he connected his laptop to my wifi[/QUOTE] Don't be ashamed, it's a good feature.
My buddy got a DMCA notice from his ISP once and when he got it the "YOU MUST PAY THIS FINE BY THIS DATE" date had already expired by like 4 months. Pretty laughable, they can't even be assholes correctly.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;47779325]My buddy got a DMCA notice from his ISP once and when he got it the "YOU MUST PAY THIS FINE BY THIS DATE" date had already expired by like 4 months. Pretty laughable, they can't even be assholes correctly.[/QUOTE]Was it legit? I know some scammers send these things too.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;47779155][URL="http://www.e-recht24.de/news/tauschboersen/7410-filesharing-a-co-neues-gesetz-zur-begrenzung-der-abmahnkosten-geplant.html"]Attorney costs were capped at 155.30€ early in 2013[/URL], and that's only if the amount in dispute exceeds 1000€. Otherwise it's lower. There's no way they were fined that much for downloading and noncommercial use only. Either they were seeding/uploading, or they paid an invoice that wasn't legally binding (which is the same as these automated "fines" sent to Google Fiber users).[/QUOTE] they must have been torrenting and so naturally seeding too
So a quick bit of searching shows no indication that google is actively using packet inspection to determine what people are downloading. All they appear to be doing is forwarding infringement letters without editing them or even filtering them. Ergo, you are no more likely to get a copyright notice on google than you are on any other ISP, and even if you do, just ignore them. Nearly of them are just fishing for easy money, and plenty of them are outright falsifications.
What exactly are they reporting? Just films and music? What if I want to play Sega Saturn [distros] that I can't find anymore?
Doesn't your credit go down if you refuse to pay those fines?
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;47780755]Doesn't your credit go down if you refuse to pay those fines?[/QUOTE] no. your credit only goes down when you fail to pay off credit, and fines aren't credit.
[QUOTE=butre;47780770]no. your credit only goes down when you fail to pay off credit, and fines aren't credit.[/QUOTE] That's cool, I thought that those types of companies would send it to a debt collection agency.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;47780792]That's cool, I thought that those types of companies would send it to a debt collection agency.[/QUOTE] the fines aren't legally binding. if they were other ISPs would forward that part of the email. If you don't sign anything you don't owe anything.
[QUOTE=A Beaver;47780725]What exactly are they reporting? Just films and music? What if I want to play Sega Saturn [distros] that I can't find anymore?[/QUOTE] I see nothing indicating that it's any different than the sorts of material you'd get in trouble for with any ISP. Usually that means fairly new media from things like recent TV shows, songs, and software. Older/indie stuff generally isn't monitored, and only public trackers are routinely monitored.
Can't this easily be dodged by using a program like PeerBlock or do fibre-optics have black magicks?
whats to stop someone from forging a dmca
[QUOTE=Scratch.;47777447]At university torrenting is blocked magically, so no linux distros Somehow my housemate somehow was the only one who could actually do it And he never got told off, even when he's right down the road from IT Management[/QUOTE] he was using a vpn ??
[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47781013]Can't this easily be dodged by using a program like PeerBlock or do fibre-optics have black magicks?[/QUOTE] Blacklists simply do not work for much of anything. They only protect against known sources. It's trivial to get a bunch of different of IPV6 blocks, and at that point it's whack a mole. Again, there is nothing here to indicate that people are having their connection monitored by Google. Google is simply forwarding threatening emails without filtering.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;47781736]Blacklists simply do not work for much of anything. They only protect against known sources. It's trivial to get a bunch of different of IPV6 blocks, and at that point it's whack a mole. Again, there is nothing here to indicate that people are having their connection monitored by Google. Google is simply forwarding threatening emails without filtering.[/QUOTE] then block EVERYTHING except for the relevant P2P IPs
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