Google Fiber Users Receiving Automated Fines for Piracy
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[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47782219]then block EVERYTHING except for the relevant P2P IPs[/QUOTE]
How do you know which IP is relevant? You can easily connect into a swarm as a legit seeder and then pull all the other IPs
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47782236]How do you know which IP is relevant? You can easily connect into a swarm as a legit seeder and then pull all the other IPs[/QUOTE]
ask the seeders for their IPs
[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47782241]ask the seeders for their IPs[/QUOTE]
That will pretty much make the whole idea of P2P useless.
Since the article doesn't have a screen shot of any of these emails, I figured I'd share one that I recently got in for those curious.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/6Rw9eoa.png[/t]
I'm getting really fucking sick of google now. The one thing I actually think is good about the EU is that they put google in their place.
Anyone who honestly thought using Google as an ISP, with their known shady shit and practices, was a good idea please go sit in the corner with a big pointy hat. Unless you don't pirate anything ever (and don't mind having every single thing you do logged and tracked), I don't see how it isn't obviously a terrible idea.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47777392]If you pay the fine then you are stupid. Never pay a settlement for a DMCA notice. You have to remember that they have to [I]prove[/I] that not only you did download items illegally, but also that it was your connection that did it.
Google is just forwarding the emails they get to the user. I'd ignore them until I get a court summons.[/QUOTE]
I've got the same messages before, for non-copyrighted material at that. I ignored that shit, it's an absolute joke
[QUOTE=acds;47782644]Anyone who honestly thought using Google as an ISP, with their known shady shit and practices, was a good idea please go sit in the corner with a big pointy hat. Unless you don't pirate anything ever (and don't mind having every single thing you do logged and tracked), I don't see how it isn't obviously a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]
I don't see the connection? Mind, it's shitty that Google isn't stripping out the threats of fines from the notices, but it isn't unprecedented as other ISP do the exact same thing (simply forwarding the entire, unedited, notice).
Or, did you just read the (misleading) title and post?
[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;47777362]All the more reason why we should move towards locally owned Internet providers over giant companies like google and Comcast.[/QUOTE]
Small companies don't have the resources to handle his kind of infrastructure though.
[QUOTE=acds;47782644]Anyone who honestly thought using Google as an ISP, with their known shady shit and practices, was a good idea please go sit in the corner with a big pointy hat. Unless you don't pirate anything ever (and don't mind having every single thing you do logged and tracked), I don't see how it isn't obviously a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]
If you were that paranoid, you should just stop using the internet completely. Your ISP tracks you just as much as Google.
i never really understood why people defend pirating so rabidly
For all the revulsion in this thread nobody's pointed out time warner or Comcast does this already by just shutting off your internet while still billing you
[editline]22nd May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Whibble;47782955]i never really understood why people defend pirating so rabidly[/QUOTE]
Because to rents are not all pirates, and filesharing of any kind is being foecibly cracked down on in all forms to monitize the internet
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47777342]I don't want google fiber anymore.[/QUOTE]
I feel like a lot of people agreeing with this post are doing it for the wrong reasons...
[QUOTE=Sableye;47783032]
Because to rents are not all pirates, and filesharing of any kind is being foecibly cracked down on in all forms to monitize the internet[/QUOTE]
The way big corps deal with piracy hurts the common man. That's why people defend piracy. You downloaded something? Have this million dollar fine for every 5 seconds of a song.
[QUOTE=Whibble;47782955]i never really understood why people defend pirating so rabidly[/QUOTE]
In this particular case, just because someone illegally downloaded something doesn't make it OK to attempt to extort money out of them.
More generally, I think people view it as a victimless crime, where the only people who are remotely affected are the big bad corporations. There are elements of truth to these things which makes it that much easier to believe, plus it's often convenient to believe those things.
The way most companies choose to go about combating piracy doesn't help their cause either; inflicting restrictive DRM and exorbitant prices (for some regions) on those who do pay, and attempting to levy disproportionate fines on a few people in an attempt to set an example.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47777424]When Verizon, Comcast, and AT&T are doing something to the benefit of consumers that's one hell of a statement.
People should be upset that Google is forwarding the demands for money when they aren't legally required to, especially since the demands are extortion.[/QUOTE]
It's not entirely unexpected, though. Google's always been a spineless little bitch when it comes to DMCA trolls.
Telus did something like this, they didn't fine you though, they just said "hey we know ur doing illegal shit you should stop"
[QUOTE=Whibble;47782955]i never really understood why people defend pirating so rabidly[/QUOTE]
I view piracy as a symptom, and generally not a problem inherent to itself.
However, calling these threatening letters out as bullshit has nothing to do with defending piracy. There's numerous cases of outright fraud, and they are purely used as a low cost measure to fish for money. The reason you never see any follow up is specifically because of that. They aren't out to actually protect IP. It's about scaring people into paying for nothing. In the best case it's still borderline fraud, let alone the cases of actual fraud such as the "pay us or we'll tell everyone you downloaded gay porn" one.
Oh no, fines for doing something illegal! The horror.
[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47781013]Can't this easily be dodged by using a program like PeerBlock or do fibre-optics have black magicks?[/QUOTE]
I read online a few weeks ago that PeerBlock doesn't really help you mask yourself when downloading <linux distros>
A VPN is sufficient enough
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/torrents/comments/27c60u/so_is_there_any_use_left_in_peerblock_short/[/url]
I'm honestly amazed at how few people read the op in this thread, opting to reply to the title instead.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47783766]I'm honestly amazed at how few people read the op in this thread, opting to reply to the title instead.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty obvious who those are. They're the one's going "Google now has a filter that checks for any p2p traffic and gives you a fine." Some people's ignorance and inability to read a couple sentences amazes me sometimes.
[QUOTE=geel9;47783742]Oh no, fines for doing something illegal! The horror.[/QUOTE]
I agree. if you can't do the fine, don't do the crime
[editline]22nd May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47783689]Telus did something like this, they didn't fine you though, they just said "hey we know ur doing illegal shit you should stop"[/QUOTE]
how effective
I will never understand why people who pay for a gigabit line don't drop another $10/month on Usenet access so they can actually saturate it. And never receive legal threats, as a nice bonus.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47784000]I will never understand why people who pay for a gigabit line don't drop another $10/month on Usenet access so they can actually saturate it. And never receive legal threats, as a nice bonus.[/QUOTE]
Ooooh, I think someone just committed a tech-nerd faux pas~
VPN master race.
Seriously I pay $8 a month for mine and never received any bullshit fines/emails/notices from Comcast for MONTHS. It's worth getting one especially if you potentially can get fined ~$300.
Just use a vpn and encrypt your traffic
if you can afford $70/mo for google fiber you can afford $10/mo extra
[QUOTE=Levelog;47777363]Google isn't assessing the fines. Every ISP gets in hundreds of emails for copyright violation with fines sometimes. Google is just forwarding them to the customers. Charter does this too in some areas. I know it says this right in the article, but most of you won't read it.[/QUOTE]
I have gotten an email from Charter in the fashion.
It basically says "If you want to settle this outright, you can pay $20 for this song you allegedly pirated and we won't take further action."
[B]Google is not enforcing the payments, nor do you have to take any more action than you usually would. They're simply forwarding the request for an outright settlement.[/b]
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;47784443]I have gotten an email from Charter in the fashion.
It basically says "If you want to settle this outright, you can pay $20 for this song you allegedly pirated and we won't take further action."
[B]Google is not enforcing the payments, nor do you have to take any more action than you usually would. They're simply forwarding the request for an outright settlement.[/b][/QUOTE]
a good tip is they won't take further action either way when they've already admitted it's worth $20 in damages
[QUOTE=hrak;47784462]a good tip is they won't take further action either way when they've already admitted it's worth $20 in damages[/QUOTE]
They can (and do) word it in a way that doesn't admit that:
[quote]The damage to WB from your conduct substantially exceeds $20, but in the interest of having you stop your infringement of WB content permanently, WB is prepared to make you this settlement offer.[/quote]
[url=https://torrentfreak.com/images/rightscorp.txt]Source[/url] [url=https://torrentfreak.com/comcast-kills-business-model-of-piracy-monitoring-and-settlement-firm-131206/]from this article[/url]
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47777392]If you pay the fine then you are stupid. Never pay a settlement for a DMCA notice. You have to remember that they have to [I]prove[/I] that not only you did download items illegally, but also that it was your connection that did it.
Google is just forwarding the emails they get to the user. I'd ignore them until I get a court summons.[/QUOTE]
I pirated off the same connection for as long as was that company growing up, and then I moved out. One day while crashing in the guest room at home I gave in to a coworkers demands and let him convince me to watch HBO's "Girls'.
My dad got an ATT bill. I was pissed he couldn't have given me a more impressive sounding show to have gotten caught over.
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