Donald Trump tweets 'Pocahontas' racist slur about senator Elizabeth Warren
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[QUOTE=sgman91;52851367]Why are you all comparing the name "Pocahontas" to racial slurs? If anything it would be like calling someone "George Washington" for falsely claiming to be American.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you that it isn't a racial slur.
It is, however, an insult based on her proposed racial identification.
[QUOTE=Flicky;52851451]I'm not defending sgman91 here, but Pocahontas [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas]isn't a fictional character.[/url][/QUOTE]
The story as told by the real John Smith would be an even more insulting reference. And nobody else's side of it was ever recorded.
Wow, every time that asshole does anything I'm surprised again how awful of a human being someone can be. An elected official no less. Someone who's supported by actual real-life humans. Not just because they think it's funny, but because they think this is who they want to represent their country.
sgman91 is channeling that guy who was like "gas the kikes doesn't mean kill the jews"
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851467]What you call "super pedantic" I call "attempting to be accurate."
Why do you keep using examples that have previous racial baggage? As far as I know, Pocahontas doesn't have any of that. She's a Native American woman beloved by the general American society (based on the totally made up story of her in the Disney movie). She's a real person in actual history who's thought of positively.
That's why I used the example of George Washington, as probably the single most well known American who's closely associated with being American. (Just like Pocahontas is the most well known female Native American who's associated with traditional Native American culture.)
Why do you get to ignore my example, but I must take yours at face value without being considered "pedantic?" I've given very specific reasons for why I think my example is a good one.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but Sulu doesn't really have much "racial baggage" and should've been a perfectly valid example. Is it or is it not offensive to refer to a white guy who claims asian heritage as Sulu? Or what about Jackie Chan? Jet Li? As far as I know, they're beloved international figures without much "racial baggage" either. Is it ok to use their names as mocking terms for someone's alleged ancestry?
It's literally like calling Asian dudes Jackie Chan.
If he turned around to an Asian senator, or even ~someone claiming to be Asian when they aren't!!!!111eleven!~ and said: "fuck off Jackie Chan!" it would be racist. How is this any different?.
Because degeneracy has to have at least one stalwart apologist.
Hahahaha, pocahontas! He's so out of touch oh my god :v:
Why is it that when a president makes an off color, inappropriate joke about a senator’s heritage, you have to desperately try and make it out as “not a racist joke dude seriously!”.
Even if it wasn’t racist, this is middle school behavior that regularly gets people fired from education, retail and even professional businesses. The president is held to much higher standards.
Why defend this.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851386]... What? First, we're talking about mocking a person who ISN'T part of the race in question. So it would be like going up to a white person, who claimed to be African American, and saying "Hey, look, it's Rosa Parks" in order to mock the white person[/QUOTE]
You have yet to prove that shes lying about her ancestry. And yes it is still racist because your using the name of an important figure in civil rights and American racial identities and using it to demean someone who you figure isn't an arbitrary x percentage of whatever race based on nothing but your own unfounded assumptions
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851371]The 1/16 was an arbitrary number I threw out there. She has no proof at all. It could be 0% for all we know.
Remember, she claimed to be Native American to her employers, who in turn listed her as a minority professor.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to call all people from New Jersey Donald Trump.
I'm going to call all black women Rosa Parks.
I'm going to call every asian woman Mulan.
I'm going to call every white dude Justin Beiber.
Some of these are jokes, some of them are racist statements.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52851619]Why is it that when a president makes an off color, inappropriate joke about a senator’s heritage, you have to desperately try and make it out as “not a racist joke dude seriously!”.
Even if it wasn’t racist, this is middle school behavior that regularly gets people fired from education, retail and even professional businesses. The president is held to much higher standards.
Why defend this.[/QUOTE]
Why does he bother defending trump any time he can when he's stated he doesn't support him.
Seems like he's contradicting himself
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[QUOTE=sgman91;52851367]Why are you all comparing the name "Pocahontas" to racial slurs? If anything it would be like calling someone "George Washington" for falsely claiming to be American.[/QUOTE]
Shut up cletus
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If you dont get it after i said that then there is no helping you
It isn't insulting real Native Americans. It isn't insulting Pocahontas. It isn't insulting Native American culture. The intent has nothing, whatsoever, to do with demeaning anything Native American.
It is intended to hyperbolically insult Warren for her claims of being Native American when she isn't.
If he were to demean an actual Native American for their heritage, then I would be right alongside you, but that isn't what's happening here.
[editline]3rd November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mud;52851711]Shut up cletus
[editline]3rd November 2017[/editline]
If you dont get it after i said that then there is no helping you[/QUOTE]
1) Am I claiming to be black or African American?
2) Cletus is a stereotypical black name, not a real, and extremely well known and liked person in history. A better example might be saying, "Look at Reverend King over here," to a white guy claiming to be African American.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851723][b]It isn't insulting real Native Americans.[/b] It isn't insulting Pocahontas. It isn't insulting Native American culture. The intent has nothing, whatsoever, to do with demeaning anything Native American.[/quote]
If you were a Native American in the same room as Trump and Warren, and Trump were to offhandedly call Warren "Pocahontas" without Native American lineages being involved in the current discussion, would you not feel offended? Even if the target of that insult isn't verified as having Native American ancestry, it's still insulting to anyone who is.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851723]It isn't insulting real Native Americans. It isn't insulting Pocahontas. It isn't insulting Native American culture. The intent has nothing, whatsoever, to do with demeaning anything Native American.
It is intended to hyperbolically insult Warren for her claims of being Native American when she isn't.
If he were to demean an actual Native American for their heritage, then I would be right alongside you, but that isn't what's happening here.
[editline]3rd November 2017[/editline]
1) Am I claiming to be black or African American?
2) Cletus is a stereotypical black name, not a real, and extremely well known and liked person in history. A better example might be saying, "Look at Reverend King over here," to a white guy claiming to be African American.[/QUOTE]
Okay, real talk. Do you have some sort of social developmental issue?
Edit: I'm not even trying to be a dick or anything, but his inability to interpret the nuance of the conversation is extremely telling.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851723]It isn't insulting real Native Americans. It isn't insulting Pocahontas. It isn't insulting Native American culture. The intent has nothing, whatsoever, to do with demeaning anything Native American.
It is intended to hyperbolically insult Warren for her claims of being Native American when she isn't.
If he were to demean an actual Native American for their heritage, then I would be right alongside you, but that isn't what's happening here.[/QUOTE]
So all of that pedantry over specific examples and you're just going to ignore the ones we just brought up, even though they perfectly fit your standards, and are clearly, unabashedly racist. Got it
Can't wait for someone to bring up another example 3 pages from now, and for you to attack them over semantics yet again as if this discussion never happened
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851723]
[B]2) Cletus is a stereotypical black name, not a real, and extremely well known and liked person in history. A better example might be saying, "Look at Reverend King over here," to a white guy claiming to be African American.[/B][/QUOTE]
Got any backing for that?
The most popular Cletus character in TV is white. That makes me think that the general consensus is it's not a "black" name.
In fact, I've only ever heard "Cletus" in reference to white folk.
Did Warren ever claim she was Native American or is this Trump/the GOP blowing things outta proportion?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52851769]Did Warren ever claim she was Native American or is this Trump/the GOP blowing things outta proportion?[/QUOTE]
The article states:
[QUOTE]Ms Warren has claimed Cherokee and Delaware Indian heritage, although she has not been able to provide documented proof of her ancestry.[/QUOTE]
Imagine Obama calling one of the GOP idiots who defamed him for years "fucking crackers" on twitter.
You can't imagine that, because Obama, wether we liked or not his legacy as a president, had a minimum of decency and respect. Trump just prooves over and over that he's a man child who was given power by the circonstances but never earned it and has never had the presidential attitude every other fucking democratic leader respects in the sake of basic diplomacy.
[QUOTE=Flicky;52851743]If you were a Native American in the same room as Trump and Warren, and Trump were to offhandedly call Warren "Pocahontas" without Native American lineages being involved in the current discussion, would you not feel offended? Even if the target of that insult isn't verified as having Native American ancestry, it's still insulting to anyone who is.[/QUOTE]
If I were aware of the context? No, of course I wouldn't be offended because I look at intent, and the intent is clearly to insult Warren's dishonesty, not Native Americans.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52851769]Did Warren ever claim she was Native American or is this Trump/the GOP blowing things outta proportion?[/QUOTE]
Yes, she did, and she hasn't provided evidence toward that claim. Then Trump started calling her "Pocahontas" on the campaign trail, and clearly he hasn't stopped since being elected.
I mean ffs, you really do [B]not[/B] want to have a real discussion here, do you sgman? You outline exactly what the comparison needs to be like, and we compromise, level with you, and make the comparisons fit perfectly within your hair-splitting standards, and you don't even address them? What is the point of this? For what purpose are you posting here? All you're doing is trying as hard as you can to make the discussion as taxing and obtuse as is humanly possible, in hopes we drop the argument out of boredom. Literally every. fucking. thread.
[QUOTE=Loth;52851776]Imagine Obama calling one of the GOP idiots who defamed him for years "fucking crackers" on twitter.
You can't imagine that, because Obama, wether we liked or not his legacy as a president, had a minimum of decency and respect. Trump just prooves over and over that he's a man child who was given power by the circonstances but never earned it.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine Sgman defending that as if it was "Taken out of context" the way he does this?
No, he'd be livid saying Obama is a disgrace. But he won't do that here.
[QUOTE=Loth;52851776]Imagine Obama calling one of the GOP idiots who defamed him for years "fucking crackers" on twitter.
You can't imagine that, because Obama, wether we liked or not his legacy as a president, had a minimum of decency and respect. Trump just prooves over and over that he's a man child who was given power by the circonstances but never earned it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Obama was a much more honorable man than Trump. No argument from me.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52851779]If I were aware of the context? No, of course I wouldn't be offended because I look at intent,[B] and the intent is clearly to insult Warren's dishonesty[/B], not Native Americans.[/QUOTE]
Do you have proof she's not of Native American roots?
I mean even if she wasn't, it'd be the kettle calling the pot black. Trump being the kettle, of course.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52851765]Got any backing for that?
The most popular Cletus character in TV is white. That makes me think that the general consensus is it's not a "black" name.
In fact, I've only ever heard "Cletus" in reference to white folk.[/QUOTE]
I was just about to say the same thing, I've only ever heard it used as a stereotypical redneck name.
As for Trump, this is blatantly unprofessional. Not a new trend, but the guy is no stranger to racism.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;52851778]Okay but seriously who hears Cletus and doesn't instantly think white trash hillbilly stereotype[/QUOTE]
Do a google search. 8/10 of the most popular Cletus's in history are white. and there's two white Popes to add to that list.
It's literally nonsense trash he threw out in distress.
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