Arson Attack On German Paper That Republished Hebdo Cartoons - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] If you mean the Pegida stuff if you actually try to find interviews it's blatantly obvious the people who go along with that have in large parts no clue about politics and are angry with the politicians doing their job (mostly) properly instead of pandering to exactly what they think is correct. It's the reason the organizers of those protests always tell their group not to do interviews no matter what, because that would expose them as complete morons more than it already does. I honestly have no idea what they want to do... Maybe score some of those sweet MP pensions because if they manage to get into a parliament there's no way they can satisfy their supporters for more than two weeks. What little they have of of a "program" is already implemented and fixed in the Grundgesetz (German effectively-constitution by another name). The rest are real-world issues like joblessness that everyone else is trying to patch up as well as possible already. (Mostly. We do get right-wing economic liberals once in a while after all, but they usually only can get into parliament by betraying their voters like the FDP did. The AfD is also going to utterly crumble if they do anything blatantly extremist, aside from never going to be able to weaken the Euro zone.)

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;46903834]If it was an immigrant who did this than somebody should be deported. If it was a citizen than somebody should be jailed.[/QUOTE] What exactly does immigration have to do with anything of this?? [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] Because "islamization" is a racist conspiracy theory.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46905348]I love how it's always "There's a huge majority of muslims that support this" "Okay who" *silence* or at the most, a couple tweets from shitbags[/QUOTE] Perhaps most people who support this are smart enough to realize that showing public support is a great way to get on a few watchlists, which in turn would make it much harder for them to carry out or support future attacks?

[QUOTE=DaMastez;46905408]Perhaps most people who support this are smart enough to realize that showing public support is a great way to get on a few watchlists, which in turn would make it much harder for them to carry out or support future attacks?[/QUOTE] You are crazy. Do you honestly think that the Muslims in the world (23% of the earths population) are planning attacks on society?

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;46904815]Good thing we always get a unified and widely broadcasted public message condemning these attacks from islamic leaders[/QUOTE] Stop. You want a strong message condemning it? How about you literally look for one instead of going to your BNP rally and talking about how you want the darkies out of your country. [url]http://muslimscondemningthings.tumblr.com/[/url] [url]http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php[/url] (which has over a hundred such actions) [url]http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/12797-american-muslims-condemn-paris-terror-attack-defend-free-speech.html[/url] [url]http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/01/07/what-fox-wont-show-you-muslim-leaders-are-conde/202049[/url] [url]http://www.whyislam.org/jihad-2/worldwide-condemnation-of-terrorism/[/url] [url]http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/condemning-attacks-muslims.html[/url] [url]http://www.mediaite.com/online/reza-aslan-muslims-are-condemning-terrorism-critics-just-arent-listening/[/url] [url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hindtrospectives/2014/08/7-questions-to-ask-before-asking-if-muslims-condemn-terrorism/[/url] [url]http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa.htm[/url] [url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-08/muslims-everywhere-condemn-terror-attack[/url] [url]http://www.cnbc.com/id/102318066[/url] I don't believe I have to post this list a second god damn time. There shouldn't even have to have websites [I]dedicated[/I] to showing idiots that Muslims are condemning it. Did you ever think for a second that they shouldn't have to be making these statements in the first place? The second you demand all this widespread condemnation, you've effectively accused all Muslims of supporting terrorism until they say otherwise. I don't see you walking up to police officers and demanding condemnation for what happened with Officer Wilson, or demanding blacks answer for black on black crime. Why not yell at a Columbian citizen to condemn drug dealers? I mean it's his choice to be a citizen! Hey you Protestant! Why haven't you made a speech against the KKK!? Irishman! Where is your large widespread stance against the terrorist actions committed by the IRA!? Hey Leg of Doom! Where is your condemnation for the Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, done by Islamophobes? The murder of George Tiller? The Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting? I haven't seen you stand up and fight these acts of terrorism? Do you support them? You god damned white people should all have a unified stance against these acts! Woo now I'm angry.

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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46905348]I love how it's always "There's a huge majority of muslims that support this" "Okay who" *silence* or at the most, a couple tweets from shitbags[/QUOTE] tbh I'm not sure which side has the burden of proof here. I would be nice to see either one back their argument with more than anecdotal evidence. Though it doesn't matter, the actual percentage of extremist isn't really relevant to anything. The fact that there are mentally sane people out there who condone murder for religious reasons is worrying, even if they only represent like 1% of the population.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905446]Fuck off. You want a strong message condemning it? How about you literally look for one instead of going to your BNP rally and talking about how you want the darkies out of your country. [url]http://muslimscondemningthings.tumblr.com/[/url] [url]http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php[/url] (which has over a hundred such actions) [url]http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/12797-american-muslims-condemn-paris-terror-attack-defend-free-speech.html[/url] [url]http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/01/07/what-fox-wont-show-you-muslim-leaders-are-conde/202049[/url] [url]http://www.whyislam.org/jihad-2/worldwide-condemnation-of-terrorism/[/url] [url]http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/condemning-attacks-muslims.html[/url] [url]http://www.mediaite.com/online/reza-aslan-muslims-are-condemning-terrorism-critics-just-arent-listening/[/url] [url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/hindtrospectives/2014/08/7-questions-to-ask-before-asking-if-muslims-condemn-terrorism/[/url] [url]http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa.htm[/url] [url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-08/muslims-everywhere-condemn-terror-attack[/url] [url]http://www.cnbc.com/id/102318066[/url] I don't believe I have to post this list a second god damn time. There shouldn't even have to have websites [I]dedicated[/I] to showing idiots that Muslims are condemning it. Did you ever think for a second that they shouldn't have to be making these statements in the first place? The second you demand all this widespread condemnation, you've effectively accused all Muslims of supporting terrorism until they say otherwise. I don't see you walking up to police officers and demanding condemnation for what happened to Officer Wilson, or demanding blacks answer for black on black crime. Why not yell at a Columbian citizen to condemn drug dealers? I mean it's his choice to be a citizen! Hey you Protestant! Why haven't you made a speech against the KKK!? Irishman! Where is your large widespread stance against the terrorist actions committed by the IRA!? Hey Leg of Doom! Where is your condemnation for the Wisconsin Sikh Temple massacre, done by Islamophobes? The murder of George Tiller? The Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church shooting? I haven't seen you stand up and fight these acts of terrorism? Do you support them? You god damned white people should all have a unified stance against these acts! Woo now I'm angry.[/QUOTE] Being a certain color of skin or a citizen of a certain country has nothing to do with religion. Sorry but ISIS and WBC aren't insane, they're practicing their religion how is is intended to be practiced. When billions of people "moderately" follow extremely violent and barbaric religions you're bound to have some people who do it right. Religions of ancient times need to be purged.

[QUOTE=Niklas;46905468]A majority defintely not, but fundamentalist believes are more common in muslim communites than you might think, even in western europe. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [url]http://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u6/koopmans_englisch_ed.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Being a fundamentalist does not mean that they at all support terrorism. If you strictly follow Islam, you're still not going to support the murder of people. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905490]Being a certain color of skin or a citizen of a certain country has nothing to do with religion. Sorry but ISIS and WBC aren't insane, they're practicing their religion how is is intended to be practiced. When billions of people "moderately" follow extremely violent and barbaric religions you're bound to have some people who do it right. Religions of ancient times need to be purged.[/QUOTE] You want to give me a citation for that? Go cherry pick some verses I can deconstruct please.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905493]Being a fundamentalist does not mean that they at all support terrorism. If you strictly follow Islam, you're still not going to support the murder of people. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] You want to give me a citation for that? Go cherry pick some verses I can deconstruct please.[/QUOTE] The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.

If we are looking for peoples attitudes, then we could look at the response to the one-minute silence in a variety of French schools. [url]http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/09/01016-20150109ARTFIG00338-ces-minutes-de-silence-qui-ont-derape-dans-les-ecoles.php#xtor=AL-155-[/url][facebook] [quote]In a grade school in Seine Saint Denis [Paris banlieue], more than 80% of the students in one class refused the minute of silence.[/quote] [quote]A 9th-grader from Lille: 'I'm gonna smoke you with my Kalashnikov.' 7th-grader, Paris: 'But you don't understand, they should never have drawn the Prophet--he's above all men... Sophomore, Paris: 'Ma'am, can I not do the minute of silence? I don't want to recognize people like that.' His peer: 'They asked for it. You reap what you sow.' Another: 'My mom says they asked for it.' On Facebook, one teacher said she was greeted at 8:00 a.m. with cries of 'I'm for the guys who killed them!' She has asked to be moved to a new school.[/quote] In addition: [url]http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/a-saint-denis-collegiens-et-lyceens-ne-sont-pas-tous-charlie_4553048_3224.html[/url] [quote]Marie-Hélène, junior: 'I didn't want to do the minute of silence, it's not fair to honor them, they insulted Islam and other religions too.' Abdel, 8th grade: 'I did the minute of silence, but for the other ones that were killed, not for Charlie [Charb, editor-in-chief]. I have no pity for him. He has zero respect for us Muslims. They should have killed just him.' Yacine, sophomore: 'I'm against the attack, but the cartoonists weren't innocent in all this either.' ... 'Lots of people are comparing it to Dieudonné: He was punished for his 'quenelles,' but for Charlie Hebdo they get 'freedom of speech''... Allende, senior: 'You don't make fun of religion. That's why they killed Charlie. Those guys attacked Islam, and now they're getting to see another side of Islam--anger.'[/quote] The fact this is coming from French schoolchildren is worrying.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905493]Being a fundamentalist does not mean that they at all support terrorism[/QUOTE] Not what i wanted to imply if it comes across that way

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905506]The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.[/QUOTE] That's not a citation. Members named Perfumly have made 12,415 posts with no backing. That's not a citation either. Members named Perfumly are known for making posts with no backing, such as: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1445816&p=46905490&viewfull=1#post46905490[/url] That's a citation.

Actually I am going to snip my post since it makes no sense in context to what zilla said

[QUOTE=Deng;46905512]If we are looking for peoples attitudes, then we could look at the response to the one-minute silence in a variety of French schools. [url]http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/09/01016-20150109ARTFIG00338-ces-minutes-de-silence-qui-ont-derape-dans-les-ecoles.php#xtor=AL-155-[/url][facebook] In addition: [url]http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/a-saint-denis-collegiens-et-lyceens-ne-sont-pas-tous-charlie_4553048_3224.html[/url] The fact this is coming from French schoolchildren is worrying.[/QUOTE] All these People from Canada/United states don't realize that there's a huge gaping difference between the muslims they have and the muslims in Europe. Muslims in Europe are refugees from countries with Sharia law while you guys just have the more "Lets not follow 2/3 of the bible" religious kind.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905532]That's not a citation. Members named Perfumly have made 12,415 posts with no backing. That's not a citation either. Members named Perfumly are known for making posts with no backing, such as: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1445816&p=46905490&viewfull=1#post46905490[/url] That's a citation.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm[/url] Or just reference the post above yours in regards to the reactions of French school children. The fact that people are still defending ancient violent cults (including Catholicism, I'm not just against Islam) is astounding to me. Get over the fact that your shitty religions are barbaric

So is there anyone here who thinks any of these cartoonists deserved punishment?

[QUOTE=Kardia;46905567]So is there anyone here who thinks any of these cartoonists deserved punishment?[/QUOTE] That's like wanting to punish someone for drawing dicks on a sheet of paper. Seems like Rust is against the Qu'ran, look out Garry :(

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905557][url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm[/url] Or just reference the post above yours in regards to the reactions of French school children. The fact that people are still defending ancient violent cults (including Catholicism, I'm not just against Islam) is astounding to me. Get over the fact that your shitty religions are barbaric[/QUOTE] Great website, religionofpeace.com, how enlightening. [url]http://www.aboutjihad.com/terrorism/quran_misquote_part_2.php[/url] And how about the IRA? Are the Irish no barbaric? How about the holocaust? Guess Germans are now barbaric! What about how religions effectively saved most of our knowledge and promoted technological advancement throughout the middle ages? Nope! No good things about religion! What about the internal peace people find and the community that helps them? Fucking religious people! And before you accuse it of being my religion, I'm not even religious.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905591]Great website, religionofpeace.com, how enlightening. [url]http://www.aboutjihad.com/terrorism/quran_misquote_part_2.php[/url] And how about the IRA? Are the Irish no barbaric? How about the holocaust? Guess Germans are now barbaric! What about how religions effectively saved most of our knowledge and promoted technological advancement throughout the middle ages? Nope! No good things about religion! What about the internal peace people find and the community that helps them? Fucking religious people! And before you accuse it of being my religion, I'm not even religious.[/QUOTE] Lol religion is a choice, nationality is not. This guy. (Also post crusades Islam did nothing for education whatsoever)

[QUOTE=pkhzor;46905555]All these People from Canada/United states don't realize that there's a huge gaping difference between the muslims they have and the muslims in Europe. Muslims in Europe are refugees from countries with Sharia law while you guys just have the more "Lets not follow 2/3 of the bible" religious kind.[/QUOTE] You guys in Europe don't realize there's a huge gaping difference between the blacks you have in Europe and the blacks in America. Blacks in America are mostly gang members from areas with huge crime rates while you guys have the more "let's not act angry and sell drugs" culture kind. Do you see how quickly your argument falls apart?

[QUOTE=da space core;46905440]You are crazy. Do you honestly think that the Muslims in the world (23% of the earths population) are planning attacks on society?[/QUOTE] That wasn't my intent, though rereading over what I quoted, along with a poor choice of wording, I can see how it could be taken as that. My point was, of the people who do support these attacks (and supporting isn't to say they are helping someone carry out an attack, but rather that they agree with these types of attacks being carried out), most are probably smart enough not to go around broadcasting to the world about it, especially in the western world. So saying "I don't see a lot of people jumping up in support of this attack" isn't proof of anything either way.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905596]Lol religion is a choice, nationality is not. This guy.[/QUOTE] Lol that doesn't change anything at all about what I said, but good job avoiding an actual argument.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905596]Lol religion is a choice, nationality is not. This guy.[/QUOTE] Religion is often closely related to culture (which people are born into). If you are expecting people to change their culture/religion because other groups are abusing its name, you are mistaken

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46904731][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg[/media][/QUOTE] I love it when people post this dude's video. He's a fucking hypocrite. He slams the fuck out of muslims for being terrorists but thinks that Israel having Palestine is fine and dandy. His pro-Israel bias is unberable. Ben would never bash Israel for destroying Palestinian hospitals or homes. It drives me up the wall like a roach on crack that people never see his bias.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905602]Lol that doesn't change anything at all about what I said, but good job avoiding an actual argument.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying you should get with the times grandpa. There's better ways to find inner peace and community than following an ancient book written by barbarians and people with political agendas

In addition, Algeria, where the brothers hailed from: [URL]http://www.tamurt.info/fr/Des-Algerois-fetent-l-attentat-contre-le-siege-de-Charlie-Hebdo.html?lang=fr[/URL] [quote]Last night, in front of the Belouizidad Mosque, in Algiers: Shouts of joy, 'Allahu Akbar,' 'Charlie is dead,' 'Down with France and the Jews,'... slogans screamed by the faithful just after the final prayer. 'We were dumbfounded. Most of the members of the mosque expressed their joy and celebrated the two terrorists who, as they say, avenged the prophet Mohammed,' a local shopkeeper told us..[/quote]

[QUOTE=DaMastez;46905601]That wasn't my intent, though rereading over what I quoted, along with a poor choice of wording, I can see how it could be taken as that. My point was, of the people who do support these attacks (and supporting isn't to say they are helping someone carry out an attack, but rather that they agree with these types of attacks being carried out), most are probably smart enough not to go around broadcasting to the world about it, especially in the western world. So saying "I don't see a lot of people jumping up in support of this attack" isn't proof of anything either way.[/QUOTE] Its still a logical fallacy. although I am certain there are a few who somehow support ISIS and dont say anything, that number is still too low to blame Muslims in general. Also, remember that if you are dumb enough to support groups like ISIS and to believe their lies, you probably are not smart enough to hide all that.

[QUOTE=da space core;46905610]Religion is often closely related to culture (which people are born into). If you are expecting people to change their culture/religion because other groups are abusing its name, you are mistaken[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call following the Quran abusing the name of Islam

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905616]I'm just saying you should get with the times grandpa. There's better ways to find inner peace and community than following an ancient book written by barbarians and people with political agendas[/QUOTE] I'm loving the buzzwords you're trying to use to improve your argument. Liberal use of "cult" cause that sounds scarier than religion, "grandpa" because everyone who doesn't angst out about religion is apparently an elderly man, "barbarians" which doesn't even make any sense and is actually fairly insulting towards, well, almost everybody. And once again, I'm not even religious, so you can quit with the strawman and actually respond to any of my counters so far.