Arson Attack On German Paper That Republished Hebdo Cartoons - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Deng;46905512]If we are looking for peoples attitudes, then we could look at the response to the one-minute silence in a [B]variety[/B] of French schools. [url]http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/09/01016-20150109ARTFIG00338-ces-minutes-de-silence-qui-ont-derape-dans-les-ecoles.php#xtor=AL-155-[/url][facebook] In addition: [url]http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/a-saint-denis-collegiens-et-lyceens-ne-sont-pas-tous-charlie_4553048_3224.html[/url] The fact this is coming from French schoolchildren is worrying.[/QUOTE] The fact that this incidents are reported to come from students living in one of Paris' worse suburbs (Seine Saint Denis) puts this into perspective.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905631]I wouldn't call following the Quran abusing the name of Islam[/QUOTE] Lol you didn't even read the link I gave you where they showed how that's not following the Quran, did you.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905591]What about how religions effectively saved most of our knowledge and promoted technological advancement throughout the middle ages? Nope! No good things about religion! What about the internal peace people find and the community that helps them? Fucking religious people![/QUOTE] No one should discount the marvels [B]and[/B] atrocities influenced by religious teachings.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905643]Lol you didn't even read the link I gave you where they showed how that's not following the Quran, did you.[/QUOTE] Lol you're not even looking at the French-Muslim and Algerian reaction to this very incident are you?

[QUOTE=Deng;46905621]In addition, Algeria, where the brothers hailed from: [URL]http://www.tamurt.info/fr/Des-Algerois-fetent-l-attentat-contre-le-siege-de-Charlie-Hebdo.html?lang=fr[/URL][/QUOTE] Posting websites that seem to be solely focused on making as many articles about how bad the columnist thinks Muslims are is not a viable source. The article literally has no citations besides "hey I was sitting here and heard these shouts." The picture isn't even theirs, it's from a completely unrelated riot about a sports game in June. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905662]Lol you're not even looking at the French-Muslim and Algerian reaction to this very incident are you?[/QUOTE] Lol because they have no citations and are obviously sensationalist?

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905616]I'm just saying you should get with the times grandpa. There's better ways to find inner peace and community than following an ancient book written by barbarians and people with political agendas[/QUOTE] Although I understand this viewpoint (and somewhat agree with it, being an atheist myself) it is important to remember to respect others. Take the Bible for example. It bothers me whenever I hear people exclaim "The bible is the word of god!" because its not. It is a collection of religious texts that have collected and filtered by old white men and then put into a book. There are a lot of Christian religious texts that did not make into the bible. However, I never tell people this fact in this manner because its rude. If you want to see change, the last thing you should do is insult people. It puts them on the defensive and they become resistant to all that you say.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46905653]No one should discount the marvels [B]and[/B] atrocities influenced by religious teachings.[/QUOTE] I never once discounted bad things religion did, I fully recognize religion has been made to do bad things. Guess what? That doesn't at all justify what he has been saying.

[QUOTE=Phil5991;46905641]The fact that this incidents are reported to come from students living in one of Paris' worse suburbs (Seine Saint Denis) puts this into perspective.[/QUOTE] It's easy as hell for recruiters. All they have to do is roam the housing estates, add a bit of rhetoric, and that's them ready. [QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905668]Posting websites that seem to be solely focused on making as many articles about how bad the columnist thinks Muslims are is not a viable source. The article literally has no citations besides "hey I was sitting here and heard these shouts." The picture isn't even theirs, it's from a completely unrelated riot about a sports game in June.[/QUOTE] You ignored the ones regarding French schools. There is a serious problem if there are French children that are sympathetic towards terrorists, in run-down housing estates, and unemployed.

[QUOTE=da space core;46905674]Although I understand this viewpoint (and somewhat agree with it, being an atheist myself) it is important to remember to respect others. Take the Bible for example. It bothers me whenever I hear people exclaim "The bible is the word of god!" because its not. It is a collection of religious texts that have collected and filtered by old white men and then put into a book. There are a lot of Christian religious texts that did not make into the bible. However, I never tell people this fact in this manner because its rude. If you want to see change, the last thing you should do is insult people. It puts them on the defensive and they become resistant to all that you say.[/QUOTE] I do respect people, just not their fairy tales

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905681]I do respect people, just not their fairy tales[/QUOTE] "I respect you, it's just that most of what you believe is nothing but a silly little kid story, grow up, grandpa! You just worship something made by barbarians!" If you think you show respect, learn to show respect.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905681]I do respect people, just not their fairy tales[/QUOTE] yeah you've clearly taken that point to heart nice job

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905686]"I respect you, it's just that most of what you believe is nothing but a silly little kid story, grow up, grandpa! You just worship something made by barbarians!" [/QUOTE] Yeah pretty much. Except I don't even talk about religion or give a fuck in person. I'm just expressing my views here because it's a forum intended for that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905697]Yeah pretty much. Except I don't even talk about religion or give a fuck in person. I'm just expressing my views here because it's a forum intended for that sort of thing.[/QUOTE] You're not respectful, no matter how much you pretend you are. You've already shown us your views have no actual source, and have refused to argue any of your points with anything but vague insults and biased websites.

Religion is always about cherry-picking. If you're a fanatic you'll read the parts about killing infidels and stoning homosexuals and you'll roll with that. If you're a moderate you'll keep "love thy neighbour as thyself" and conveniently ignore the violent parts. It's pointless to try to prove that Islam or Christianity is inherently peaceful or warlike by looking at the texts, because it will invariably come down to cherry-picking.

[QUOTE=Deng;46905329]Printing it also shows that the papers aren't going to be silenced by threat of physical force. If they shouldn't print it because of the fear of what may happen, then you don't have freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] Of course they shouldn't be afraid to out of fear of what till happen, and they should have the right to do it, but when people keep saying "ALL the papers should put it on the front page" it'd be shit for the hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims living in western countries going to the shop and seeing something extremely taboo plastered on the front page of every paper and the non-Muslim population cheering it on. I know obviously not EVERY paper would do it, but hypothetically I don't think it's a fantastic idea.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905675]I never once discounted bad things religion did, I fully recognize religion has been made to do bad things. Guess what? That doesn't at all justify what he has been saying.[/QUOTE] Well he stated that the religions themselves are violent. You showed disagreement by deflecting his point. If someone is a peaceful guy 99.9% of the time, but they beat up their wife, are they a violent person?

[QUOTE=Kardia;46905722]Well he stated that the religions themselves are violent. You showed disagreement by deflecting his point. If someone is a peaceful guy 99.9% of the time, but they beat up their wife, are they a violent person?[/QUOTE] No, he said that Islam (and most religions) are completely violent and are useless for anything but suffering. There is a massive dissonance between what he said and what you're saying he said.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905705]You're not respectful, no matter how much you pretend you are. You've already shown us your views have no actual source, and have refused to argue any of your points with anything but vague insults and biased websites.[/QUOTE] Okay, here's the context from your own pro-Islam site " the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear:" Now, to (apparently) plenty of Muslims, making fun of Muhammad is an attack on Islam, and thus is punishable by death. French-Muslim schoolchildren even agree with that. What a peaceful religion

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;46904793]Release them online. They can't burn internet.[/QUOTE] Maybe they burn down Comcast or Verizon if we are lucky. [sp]Don't wish anyone death, please don't ban me for this joke[/sp]

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905446]Large Post[/QUOTE] I'm on about top islamic religious leadership and authorities not about every muslim you nincomppop its always down to individuals and small groups to sent message when things happens and it never gets to a Wide audience

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905616]I'm just saying you should get with the times grandpa. There's better ways to find inner peace and community than following an ancient book written by barbarians and people with political agendas[/QUOTE] How is this way of thinking/acting solving anything? All it accomplishes is insulting people.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905490]Being a certain color of skin or a citizen of a certain country has nothing to do with religion. Sorry but ISIS and WBC aren't insane, they're practicing their religion how is is intended to be practiced. When billions of people "moderately" follow extremely violent and barbaric religions you're bound to have some people who do it right. Religions of ancient times need to be purged.[/QUOTE] Good thing religion nowadays changed with times, too bad some people will use it for bad things. [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905749]French-Muslim schoolchildren even agree with that.[/QUOTE] Children are easily influenced to believe in anything, genius. Using children for your own argument doesn't make you any different from those barbaric people that use children.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905749]Okay, here's the context from your own pro-Islam site " the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear:" Now, to (apparently) plenty of Muslims, making fun of Muhammad is an attack on Islam, and thus is punishable by death. French-Muslim schoolchildren even agree with that. What a peaceful religion[/QUOTE] It usually comes from the time and place. While the Koran is full of depictions of genocide, pedophilia, and murder; this is also true of the bible.

Trying to prove whether or not religion is the problem is fucking retard, it's obvious proper life quality and education plus mental healthcare is the key to prevent people from going off in insane acts.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905749]Okay, here's the context from your own pro-Islam site " the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear:" Now, to (apparently) plenty of Muslims, making fun of Muhammad is an attack on Islam, and thus is punishable by death. French-Muslim schoolchildren even agree with that. What a peaceful religion[/QUOTE] Judging a religion by taking the things that are written in the scriptures literal is exactly what extremists use to excuse their fucked up shit in the first place. Good job, you're not better than the people brainwashing people from poor and uneducated areas into extremists, you were just lucky enough to stand on the other side.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46905781]Children are easily influenced to believe in anything, genius. Using children for your own argument doesn't make you any different from those barbaric people that use children.[/QUOTE] If children are influenced they're influenced by someone

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46905801]If children are influenced they're influenced by someone[/QUOTE] Yeah, by adults that where influenced as children as well.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905598]You guys in Europe don't realize there's a huge gaping difference between the blacks you have in Europe and the blacks in America. Blacks in America are mostly gang members from areas with huge crime rates while you guys have the more "let's not act angry and sell drugs" culture kind. Do you see how quickly your argument falls apart?[/QUOTE] Have you not seen the rape statistic spike in Sweden..? I wish we had the "lets not act angry and sell drugs" culture kind.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905796]Judging a religion by taking the things that are written in the scriptures literal is exactly what extremists use to excuse their fucked up shit in the first place. Good job, you're not better than the people brainwashing people from poor and uneducated areas into extremists, you were just lucky enough to stand on the other side.[/QUOTE] Oh how are they supposed to take scripture then? Are we supposed to be figuratively killing people for slandering religion?

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46905807]Yeah, by adults that where influenced as children as well.[/QUOTE] Indeed, so there's nothing wrong with Perfumly using children's opinions in his argument since it implies there are adults with the same mindset.