Arson Attack On German Paper That Republished Hebdo Cartoons - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46905838]Indeed, so there's nothing wrong with Perfumly using children's opinions in his argument since it implies there are adults with the same mindset.[/QUOTE] Adults... who were influenced as children So, no? What?

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905835]Oh how are they supposed to take scripture then? Are we supposed to be figuratively killing people for slandering religion?[/QUOTE] Can you ask less loaded questions please? Like... questions that make sense and are not just rhetorik bait? [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kljunas;46905838]Indeed, so there's nothing wrong with Perfumly using children's opinions in his argument since it implies there are adults with the same mindset.[/QUOTE] Are we seriously arguing about [I]SCHOOLCHILDRENS OPINIONS[/I] being an exemplary example for the "evil in Islam" or whatever you guys are trying to show here?

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905796]Judging a religion by taking the things that are written in the scriptures literal is exactly what extremists use to excuse their fucked up shit in the first place. Good job, you're not better than the people brainwashing people from poor and uneducated areas into extremists, you were just lucky enough to stand on the other side.[/QUOTE] Are you not supposed to take the rules and laws stated in a religious text literally? That seems like the most logical way to interpret it to me. I don't even know how you could interpret that metaphorically or whatever.

People always forget there's millions of criminals out there that commit more barbaric and vile actions than the ones in Paris and Sidney and have zero relation to religion so acting like religion is the problem for some rare events in civilized countries is absolutely retarded. [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] Disagree with religion all you want, you have your right but let's focus on the real problems, thanks.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905848] Are we seriously arguing about [I]SCHOOLCHILDRENS OPINIONS[/I] being an exemplary example for the "evil in Islam" or whatever you guys are trying to show here?[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm sure they didn't get tier opinions from their parents l0l

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905749]Okay, here's the context from your own pro-Islam site " the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear:" Now, to (apparently) plenty of Muslims, making fun of Muhammad is an attack on Islam, and thus is punishable by death. French-Muslim schoolchildren even agree with that. What a peaceful religion[/QUOTE] So people twist things for their own use. !!BREAKING NEWS, TERRORISTS TWIST MEANING OF THINGS TO GET THEIR WAY, PERFUMLY ENLIGHTENS EVERYONE!!

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905881]Yeah I'm sure they didn't get tier opinions from their parents l0l[/QUOTE] Are you resorting to ironic shitposting or something now?

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905884]So people twist things for their own use. !!BREAKING NEWS, TERRORISTS TWIST MEANING OF THINGS TO GET THEIR WAY, PERFUMLY ENLIGHTENS EVERYONE!![/QUOTE] If your religious text can be effortlessly "twisted" to murder anyone you want maybe it's time to adopt a new religious philosophy

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905890]Are you resorting to ironic shitposting or something now?[/QUOTE] I can't tell if he's completely lost it or if he's just trolling after all the shit he's posted in other threads

[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;46905768]I'm on about top islamic religious leadership and authorities not about every muslim you nincomppop its always down to individuals and small groups to sent message when things happens and it never gets to a Wide audience[/QUOTE] Which top Islamic leadership is that again? There is no centralized Muslim leader, and I just showed you multiple leaders of the Muslim faith denouncing the act. But please, continue with the unfound hatred.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905848]Are we seriously arguing about [I]SCHOOLCHILDRENS OPINIONS[/I] being an exemplary example for the "evil in Islam" or whatever you guys are trying to show here?[/QUOTE] What, no. I'm simply arguing that dismissing children's opinions as irrelevant because they're to easily influenced makes no sense since the people who influence them are adults.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905894]If your religious text can be effortlessly "twisted" to murder anyone you want maybe it's time to adopt a new religious philosophy[/QUOTE] Anything can be twisted lmao

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905894]If your religious text can be effortlessly "twisted" to murder anyone you want maybe it's time to adopt a new religious philosophy[/QUOTE] I can literally twist anything to give me reason to kill people. It's not hard at all, try harder.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46905900]What, no. I'm simply arguing that dismissing children's opinions as irrelevant because they're to easily influenced makes no sense since the people who influence them are adults.[/QUOTE] Again, adults who are influenced as children. Plus, there's a lot of uneducated or just plain dumb adults out there too, so yeah.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46905900]What, no. I'm simply arguing that dismissing children's opinions as irrelevant because they're to easily influenced makes no sense since the people who influence them are adults.[/QUOTE] Then argue about those adults and not about the children, that's just polemic.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905731]No, he said that Islam (and most religions) are completely violent and are useless for anything but suffering. There is a massive dissonance between what he said and what you're saying he said.[/QUOTE] Here are some quote's from him. [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905490]Religions of ancient times need to be purged.[/QUOTE] Bit harsh. [QUOTE=Perfumly;46904869]Maybe everyone in the world should just stop practicing inherently violent and insane archaic abrahamic religions[/QUOTE] Sounds like he's advocating the use of force. [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905557]your shitty religions are barbaric[/QUOTE] Yeah... he clearly sees no value in religion itself, but he indirectly acknowledges the achievements of religion. In particular, positive effects of Islam with regard to education pre-crusades. [QUOTE=Perfumly;46905596](Also post crusades Islam did nothing for education whatsoever)[/QUOTE] It's hard to defend this guy's rhetoric.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905904]I can literally twist anything to give me reason to kill people. It's not hard at all, try harder.[/QUOTE] Twist Buddhism into a terrorist ideology using quotes from religious scripture

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46905902]Anything can be twisted lmao[/QUOTE] Well, I mean there are things that could have been done. For example, the book could have strictly defined what constitutes an "attack" beforehand. Really it's hard to blame the people when the book itself is so vague.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905933]Twist Buddhism into a terrorist ideology using quotes from religious scripture[/QUOTE] No please don't, don't make the same mistakes.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46905906]Again, adults who are influenced as children. Plus, there's a lot of uneducated or just plain dumb adults out there too, so yeah.[/QUOTE] Yeah they were influenced as children but this isn't relevant to the original point I believe.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905933]Twist Buddhism into a terrorist ideology using quotes from religious scripture[/QUOTE] buddhism has been twisted into a terrorist ideology a myriad of times

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46905937]Well, I mean there are things that could have been done. For example, the book could have strictly defined what constitutes an "attack" beforehand. Really it's hard to blame the people when the book itself is so vague.[/QUOTE] That's why there are schools in Islam. Tousands and thousands of people uppon hundreds of years trying to interpret it.

[QUOTE=Deng;46905512]If we are looking for peoples attitudes, then we could look at the response to the one-minute silence in a variety of French schools. [url]http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/09/01016-20150109ARTFIG00338-ces-minutes-de-silence-qui-ont-derape-dans-les-ecoles.php#xtor=AL-155-[/url][facebook] In addition: [url]http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/01/10/a-saint-denis-collegiens-et-lyceens-ne-sont-pas-tous-charlie_4553048_3224.html[/url] The fact this is coming from French schoolchildren is worrying.[/QUOTE] [quote]Another: '[B]My mom says[/B] they asked for it.' [/quote] This is the problem

[QUOTE=Killuah;46905950]That's why there are schools in Islam. Tousands and thousands of people uppon hundreds of years trying to interpret it.[/QUOTE] which wouldn't be such a problem if the book such defined it's own damn terms to begin with I mean, that's how the modern legal system works. I would think God would be capable of seeing the value of that stuff.

[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46905904]I can literally twist anything to give me reason to kill people. It's not hard at all, try harder.[/QUOTE] There's that. Then there's twisting "Kill these people" into saying "don't kill these people" "waa its context, you only supposed to kill them if they dont like you" "you misunderstand the text is supposed to be read allegorically" "this other verse says that you should treat others with respect" I don't care if people decide to make their beliefs fit into the 21st century by ignoring verse XYZ, but don't go apologizing for explicitly ordained violence that most likely wouldn't otherwise have happened.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;46905978]There's that. Then there's twisting "Kill these people" into saying "don't kill these people" "waa its context, you only supposed to kill them if they dont like you" "you misunderstand the text is supposed to be read allegorically" "this other verse says that you should treat others with respect" I don't care if people decide to make their beliefs fit into the 21st century by ignoring verse XYZ, but don't go apologizing for explicitly ordained violence that most likely wouldn't otherwise have happened.[/QUOTE] So we're down to violence that "wouldn't otherwise have happened" now. Are you going to begin with our own societies and the HUGE part of the wealth that is based on fucking up the regions where extremists come from? The wealth that immigrants are trying to have a small share of? The wealth that goes hand in hand with the poverty that drives these societies into extremism? Want an example that has nothing to do with religion? Take the Somalia pirates. Most of them used to be fishermen until OUR trawlers came.

[QUOTE=Perfumly;46905933]Twist Buddhism into a terrorist ideology using quotes from religious scripture[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence[/url]

[QUOTE=Killuah;46906000]So we're down to violence that "[B]probably [/B]wouldn't otherwise have happened" now. [/QUOTE] I don't care about the geopolitical rubbish, the world might be better or worse off if there weren't explicitly sanctioned orders written on a piece of parchment which billions of people consider to be unbridled truth. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that people in first world countries are being indoctrinated, converted, radicalized, using these texts as either a major driving force or leverage. So are radicalized Muslims who have never even been near any conflict whatsoever carrying out these attacks in the name of Allah or Yahweh and not because of long standing political gripes? You tell me.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;46906034]I don't care about the geopolitical rubbish,[/QUOTE] Then stop trying tto argue because you can't have a discussion about the causes of Extremism without "geopolitical rubbish". Also why did you edit the quoted text? [quote]which billions of people consider to be unbridled truth.[/quote] This is an assumption

[QUOTE=EcksDee;46906034]I don't care about the geopolitical rubbish, the world might be better or worse off if there weren't explicitly sanctioned orders written on a piece of parchment which billions of people consider to be unbridled truth. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that people in first world countries are being indoctrinated, converted, radicalized, using these texts as either a major driving force or leverage. So are radicalized Muslims who have never even been near any conflict whatsoever carrying out these attacks in the name of Allah or Yahweh and not because of long standing political gripes? You tell me.[/QUOTE] Muslims who go terrorist are generally wealthier, upper class and well educated men who face widespread racism and prejudice from the nations they immigrate to and turn to radical imams who tell them there is nothing wrong with their homes. The problem isn't a religious one, it's a cultural ones, and simply snapping off at anyone who worships the Quran or has brown skin because of terrorism is just idiotic.