Louisiana Police stun father as son died in house fire - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42760503]I would go fucking Jason Voorhees on that entire Police Department if I was the father..[/QUOTE] I really hate to say this unironically but wow so edgy

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760524]no one has the moral authority to tell you that you cannot risk or throw away your life trying to save your children.[/QUOTE] If the building was barely on fire and there was a chance you could fucking enter it without melting then by all means go ahead, but when the building is a fucking inferno which is so bad a fully geared fireman cannot go in, I think it's too late to go in.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42760528]I really hate to say this unironically but wow so edgy[/QUOTE] yea wanting to save you child is fucking edgy. [editline]5th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Vilusia;42760539]If the building was barely on fire and there was a chance you could fucking enter it without melting then by all means go ahead, but when the building is a fucking inferno which is so bad a fully geared fireman cannot go in, I think it's too late to go in.[/QUOTE] that's not your choice to make on the behalf of another human being.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42760528]I really hate to say this unironically but wow so edgy[/QUOTE] wow so edgy

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760541]yea wanting to save you child is fucking edgy.[/QUOTE] again, bad reading. he was saying it in response to the fact that he said he would go "jason voorhees" on policemen if he were that man. aka kill them.

[QUOTE=Vilusia;42760539]If the building was barely on fire and there was a chance you could fucking enter it without melting then by all means go ahead, but when the building is a fucking inferno which is so bad a fully geared fireman cannot go in, I think it's too late to go in.[/QUOTE] Yes..YOU think it's too late to go in. But, you're not the father and it's not your child inside the house so you really have no right to influence the situation.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760524]no one has the moral authority to tell you that you cannot risk or throw away your life trying to save your children.[/QUOTE] That is debatable but by living in this society you are consenting to entrusting authorities to take control over emergency situations such as this. "Moral authority" is socially determined. You can argue to change that but I find this to be a necessary trade off for the protection provided. We all already know what you think of that subject so we'll leave it at that. There is no right or wrong answer but your answer is by far a fringe one in this societal context. In your case I would recommend moving out to the country where you won't have to worry about emergency services infringing your desired rights.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42760556]again, bad reading. he was saying it in response to the fact that he said he would go "jason voorhees" on policemen if he were that man. aka kill them.[/QUOTE] yea i would probably want to kill the dickhead who prevented me from trying to save my child too. it's a reasonable reaction.

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42760571]Yes..YOU think it's too late to go in. But, you're not the father and it's not your child inside the house so you really have no right to influence the situation.[/QUOTE] can you get it through your thick skull that the house was so hot a fully geared fireman couldn't go inside??? what makes you think this guy would have survived and saved the baby? faith in god?

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42760571]Yes..YOU think it's too late to go in. But, you're not the father and it's not your child inside the house so you really have no right to influence the situation.[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure logic and common sense would tell you that if a fully geared fireman cant go in because the building is too hot, then it's too fucking hot.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760578]yea i would probably want to kill the dickhead who prevented me from trying to save my child too. it's a reasonable reaction.[/QUOTE] no one has the moral authority to end someone else's life

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42760598]can you get it through your thick skull that the house was so hot a fully geared fireman couldn't go inside??? what makes you think this guy would have survived and saved the baby? faith in god?[/QUOTE] Can you get it through all the tampax in your ears that I would rather die trying to save my only child than live with getting tazed and watching him burn the fuck up right in front of me?

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42760602]no one has the moral authority to end someone else's life[/QUOTE] i agree.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760578]yea i would probably want to kill the dickhead who prevented me from trying to save my child too. it's a reasonable reaction.[/QUOTE] it's a reasonable reaction in the same way wanting to rush into a building engulfed in flames is. It's "reasonable" in that I can understand why you would come to such a conclusion when brought to an extreme emotional breaking point. It's not reasonable in any conventional, clear-headed sense whatsoever. oh also he said "the entire police department"

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42756160]As much as this isn't goin to be a popular opinion, maybe the police just saved his life. Maybe the house was being consumed by fire and going in there would've been suicide. I'm sure the police know more about how bad housefires are more than the average homeowner.[/QUOTE] I both agree and disagree on one hand, in his mind, he's probably much better off dead trying to save his son than without a son. losing your son is enough a man to go fucking berserk. I think I'd rather watch a man die in a fire than die slowly from the mental decay of watching that. Not only that, but the other child he has will grow up without a father and that'll be super shitty. But, the fathers death isn't meaningless, he did die [I]trying to be a hero.[/I] on the other hand, he'll be dead, and that's the end of 2 lives. But the man will be insanely scarred forever and have a hatred built in him. on ANOTHER hand, he saves the boy and is a fucking awesome father, but fire is very deadly, and while this is the only good outcome, it's generally something you see in movies. So what the hell do you do as a cop when you see this? the only bad decision is shooting the man, tazing him isn't so bad but letting him do it would be just as bad as tazing him. There is really no [I]good[/I] way to deal with this.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42760618] oh also he said "the entire police department"[/QUOTE] also he probably wouldn't literally try to recreate the friday the 13th films in the police station. i can't speak for him but i'm pretty sure he was using an exaggeration to express the sort of outrage and anger he would feel in that sort of situation.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42760618]it's a reasonable reaction in the same way wanting to rush into a building engulfed in flames is. It's "reasonable" in that I can understand why you would come to such a conclusion when brought to an extreme emotional breaking point. It's not reasonable in any conventional, clear-headed sense whatsoever. oh also he said "the entire police department"[/QUOTE] -snip- It's been a long week.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760615]i agree.[/QUOTE] so is it a reasonable reaction for a police officer to prevent a man from killing himself

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42760614]Can you get it through all the tampax in your ears that I would rather die trying to save my only child than live with getting tazed and watching him burn the fuck up right in front of me?[/QUOTE] it was his stepson and it wasn't an only child he'd have fucking burnt to death and left his other son fatherless

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42760648]so is it a reasonable reaction for a police officer to prevent a man from killing himself[/QUOTE] not with force, no.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760636]also he probably wouldn't literally try to recreate the friday the 13th films in the police station. i can't speak for him but i'm pretty sure he was using an exaggeration to express the sort of outrage and anger he would feel in that sort of situation.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42760645]You've fucking got it buddy. That entire police department would be my own little personal Camp Crystal Lake.[/QUOTE] I promise if you just agree with me that this guy's a nutter I'm not going to hold it against you yawmwen I understand that his association with you doesn't make you batshit crazy as well you can stop defending him. He may agree with you but that doesn't mean you have to agree with him.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760662]not with force, no.[/QUOTE] why?

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42760676]why?[/QUOTE] because domination of another human being is immoral.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760698]because domination of another human being is immoral.[/QUOTE] So prisons shouldn't exist?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760698]because domination of another human being is immoral.[/QUOTE] that's a funny sentence i don't think you fully realize the situation here

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42760675]I promise if you just agree with me that this guy's a nutter I'm not going to hold it against you yawmwen I understand that his association with you doesn't make you batshit crazy as well you can stop defending him. He may agree with you but that doesn't mean you have to agree with him.[/QUOTE] Y u no like Friday The 13th films? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("meme reply" - postal))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("extended, ban evading" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=deadoon;42760713]So prisons shouldn't exist?[/QUOTE] he's a self-proclaimed anarcho-communist what do you think he's going to say about prisons and government.

[QUOTE=deadoon;42760713]So prisons shouldn't exist?[/QUOTE] i don't want this to be a discussion of prisons or other things related to the idea of domination because it seems like whenever i go into a thread it ends up derailed into a broader discussion of anarchism and that's bad. but no prisons should not exist in any civilized society if you wanna know why you can pm me or w/e

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42760739]he's a self-proclaimed anarcho-communist what do you think he's going to say about prisons and government.[/QUOTE] True, but even in worlds that have anarchism, they have slavers and prisons still. It is completely impossible for a society to exist if you removed the concept of dominance over one another, as without it there is no reason to repay an action. In this case the officer tazed him and the repercussions of that action is that he lives, so in effect, an act of dominating another's actions helped them. [QUOTE=yawmwen;42760754]i don't want this to be a discussion of prisons or other things related to the idea of domination because it seems like whenever i go into a thread it ends up derailed into a broader discussion of anarchism and that's bad. but no prisons should not exist in any civilized society if you wanna know why you can pm me or w/e[/QUOTE] Can you name the main reason why dominance in a society is a bad thing? Meaning that there are no exceptions to the reasoning.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42760754]... prisons should not exist in any civilized society ...[/QUOTE] How can it continue to be civilized if there are uncivilized running amok?