Anti-austerity protestors riot in Central London one day after Election result - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695178] Still, point is that the Conservatives won the majority of the seats fairly.[/QUOTE] Doesn't make your statement any less incorrect. Less than half the voters wanted the Tories in. According to the BBC this protest is largely peaceful. It's just a small number of people being violent. Of course they're the only ones the tabloids will talk about.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;47695056]hey guys remember when you voted in a referendum to keep fptp wasn't that just peachy fun[/QUOTE] Literally called it back during that referendum that people would regret the way it went. Don't wanna say I called it or anything, but...

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695129]This is utterly pathetic behaviour. The majority of voters want Cameron in. They're completely undermining the concept of democracy.[/QUOTE] Only 24% of the population endorses this government. Due to the party whip system and their majority they can basically do 100% of whatever they want This isn't a democracy

London was majority Labour and I'm guessing most of the people there live in London. When you're too poor to survive a government that just got in with 24% of people actually supporting it, it's very rich to hear people suggest they ought to simply "respect democracy" - especially given the democracy is malfunctional.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695178]Yes but how many of those are actual complaints as opposed to contrarians going against any level of authority they can? [editline]10th May 2015[/editline] Still, point is that the Conservatives won the majority of the seats fairly.[/QUOTE] The point in these protests is that these people think they didn't get in fairly. The large majority of people didn't vote for the conservatives and we've got a conservative government.

People are being right pricks about this. I agree that conservatives shouldn't be in power. I'm Scottish and I've had people telling me that the "SNP helped bring this shitty government in." It's really annoying when people are jumping to huge conclusions without looking at the fact that the electoral system we have is completely broken and unfair, they just look to a scapegoat to blame it on.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47695252]The point in these protests is that these people think they didn't get in fairly. The large majority of people didn't vote for the conservatives and we've got a conservative government.[/QUOTE] And if Labour was in government right now then it would be one only 20% support, any other party and it would be vastly less [editline]10th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tehcmc;47695306]People are being right pricks about this. I agree that conservatives shouldn't be in power. I'm Scottish and I've had people telling me that the "SNP helped bring this shitty government in." It's really annoying when people are jumping to huge conclusions without looking at the fact that the electoral system we have is completely broken and unfair, they just look to a scapegoat to blame it on.[/QUOTE] The SNP's result is the biggest example of the system being unfair, 50% of the vote in Scotland for 95% of the seats

there should be some actually properly planned protests instead of what seems to be a poor mismanaged blob fptp sucks and we should change it

[QUOTE=butt2089;47695311]The SNP's result is the biggest example of the system being unfair, 50% of the vote in Scotland for 95% of the seats[/QUOTE] I'm not denying this, it's just that people around me seem to blame the SNP for the new gov. and not fptp. I agree wholeheartedly that SNP got in unfairly.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695129]This is utterly pathetic behaviour. The majority of voters want Cameron in. They're completely undermining the concept of democracy.[/QUOTE] Democracy should walk hand in hand with transparency tbh, and Democracy only works if people are for it i guarantee if people really knew what the tories were doing and what they actually had planned a lot less people would have voted for them. Plus most voters don't actually follow politics enough to actually make an fair decision and just go based on family and financial values. The truth is you cannot have a proper democracy wherein the people in power LIE to get votes. [editline]10th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695178]Yes but how many of those are actual complaints as opposed to contrarians going against any level of authority they can? [editline]10th May 2015[/editline] Still, point is that the Conservatives won the majority of the seats fairly.[/QUOTE] The majority concept is dated and should become something of the past, in going forward with the times it shouldn't be about the Majority decision rather than say if the Majority is less than 50% of the country then other parties should still have input into decisions made in the country to prevent things like this, surely people of different backgrounds and beliefs should have a say in the world they live in not just a given %.

Vandalising memorials, destroying random shit, hurting police officers because they're 'corrupt'... this group of rioters seems to be trying to copycat Baltimore? Problem is, our police force's record is far cleaner than that of a lot of forces in the USA. The whole 'corrupt police' bandwagon is just an excuse for people to go around beating them up and breaking things. In my opinion we have an extremely professional police force, in fact the reason they've been complaining so much about time spent on checks and balances is because that's the way we've chosen to keep our police accountable. The real scum are the idiots who don't realise that.

If this Tory party is anything like the Australian Liberal party I can relate to these rioters, but they'd be better off finding out what went wrong and whether the election was rigged rather than vandalising monuments.

A few points: This is an act of frustration, it isn't going to change anything, in fact its going to degrade their own message because it will alienate the rest of the population from progressive reform. There will be a great deal of people there that are probably genuinely wanting to protest in a civil way, they are going to be drowned out by a sizeable minority of people who are trying to live out an anarchist fantasy, against a "Fascist police state" that frankly does not exist. That noisy sizeable minority is what the rest of the population, including those shy Tories that just gutted the Labour party will be noticing, and will be feeling vindicated that they voted for a right wing party. [B][U]Regardless of your political position, or anger, vandalising war memorials on VE day is not fucking cricket[/U][/B]. Granted, its a tiny minority, however left wing Journalists such as Laurie Pennie are hoisting their own petard by condoning them. I agree that voting reform is needed, from an impartial perspective, some of the results that have emerged are a poor representation of democracy. However these people should be careful what they wish for, [B][U]because under proportional representation, we would have almost certainly got a Con UKIP and DUP coalition[/U][/B], I highly doubt anyone protesting in London would have wanted that. The bottom line is this. The Left wing has failed to convince the UK public, that is the brutal, honest, truth. An angry knee jerk protest such as this, so soon after the election is going to convince no one, its going to make the right stronger.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695129]This is utterly pathetic behaviour. The majority of voters want Cameron in. They're completely undermining the concept of democracy.[/QUOTE] How does this undermine the concept of democracy? As long as these people can't force the conservatives out of government, it's working. People have the right to protest, and while I unconditionally oppose violent protests, there will always be some bad apples. And you're being disingenuous by saying "the majority of voters" when in reality it's not.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47695320]there should be some actually properly planned protests instead of what seems to be a poor mismanaged blob fptp sucks and we should change it[/QUOTE] It was only day 3 of the torys being in power, wait a few more years. Probably after TTIP is secretly pushed through and we have tobacco companies suing governments for damaging their profits.

[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47695129]This is utterly pathetic behaviour. The majority of voters want Cameron in. They're completely undermining the concept of democracy.[/QUOTE] But they won by a majority of seats, not voters, and the majority of this 'majority' is voting based on lies and misinformation. It would be completely undermining democracy if people [B]didn't[/B] have the right to protest.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;47695638]But they won by a majority of seats, not voters, and the majority of this 'majority' is voting based on lies and misinformation. It would be completely undermining democracy if people [B]didn't[/B] have the right to protest.[/QUOTE] Well technically they did have the majority of votes as well, but the point is if we had PR there would be more voices in Parliament speaking out against their policies and representing a fair amount of the electorate. I dont see how anyone can say that the SNP getting 1.2 million votes and 56 MPs, and UKIP getting 3.8 million votes and 1 MP is fair. Our country is no longer a 2.5 party state, and the electoral system HAS to change to reflect that.

[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47694952]What do you propose? Sure 3 million people voted for them, but in their areas, most people wanted something else, if we move to a proportional representation system, most people would be represented by someone who would have no idea about the interests of the people in their consituency[/QUOTE] No they wouldn't, do you know how PR works? In most systems, each constituency elects multiple MPs (and the constituencies are bigger to make up for it), and so if it's a Tory "safe seat" instead of just having everyone who didn't vote Tory go unrepresented, they might get 3 Tory MPs, 1 UKIP and 1 Labour for example. The majority in each constituency still 'wins', but the minority is represented as well. Maybe you already know this but it sounded like you didn't understand PR

Wow can you believe these white people rioting? I'm not racist, but they're backing up all the negative stereotypes of white people!

When I complain about them getting back in all my friends go "But most of England wanted them in" and when I bring up the fact that when you add Lab+Lib together you get a higher count of votes than for the Cons they just refuse to listen and say that they still "Won most of the votes" I don't know one person who voted for the Conservatives and now my family is at risk of losing all income and we'd be forced to poverty, something Cameron said he'd reduce. I am genuinely scared that my family will lose what little we have, and that's why I'm a fervent Labour supporter, this current system is inherently flawed due to safe seats and voters with similar mindsets being close together. We need protest, but not violent protest.

Don't know why they're targeting the police, most coppers I know aren't fond of the Tories either after the cuts they got hit with, and the rest they're due.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;47696945]Don't know why they're targeting the police, most coppers I know aren't fond of the Tories either after the cuts they got hit with, and the rest they're due.[/QUOTE] coz acab m8

Lets be honest here, the tories won because people don't know how to vote tactically in this current shitty voting system. In places where Labour could have won, you instead had people voting for greens or lib dems or ukip, which ends up being pointless and simply reduces the opposition against the Tories. If we had a Proportional Representation system, this kind of voting might make some sense, but we don't have such a system so people are wasting their votes by going so wide and not tall. If you do the maths for this and you'd probably find that Labour could have easily won if people were more tactical and voted labour rather than be divided and accomplish nowt. (Maybe a Labour+SNP coalition)